Healing Tao USA | asclepius | Activity https://healingtaousa.com/members/asclepius/activity/ Activity feed for asclepius. Fri, 24 Apr 2026 15:23:16 -0400 https://buddypress.org/?v= en-US 30 hourly 2 499400bcbc52f1fb5ef92c0533f22a2c asclepius replied to the topic Taoist books to a good home in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/taoist-books-to-a-good-home/#post-32085 Fri, 21 Aug 2009 05:26:43 -0400 n/m

]]> a825fd8c3be88fc3a50a3bc761e42846 asclepius replied to the topic bee sting accupuncture. in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/bee-sting-accupuncture/#post-30826 Sun, 08 Mar 2009 19:46:42 -0400 I’ve not seen a reference to using bee/insect venom. However, I have a little experience to share along those lines.

I very rarely get stung. I walk quietly, and stay pretty relaxed, and they don’t come after me much. However, at Dao Mountain several years ago, I was walking around the dorms without my glasses on. There were wasp nests in…[Read more]

]]> 4ab26d6df369d30078c5e3587f2efea5 asclepius replied to the topic Chi Kung and Endurance in the forum Practice https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/chi-kung-and-endurance/#post-27334 Sun, 10 Feb 2008 08:08:37 -0400 The way I’ve experienced it, we can use qigong and dao yin to remove the restrictions we’ve accumulated in our joints and connective tissue. If we do that, and as we build our awareness of structure and how to use it more effectively, we move more fluidly, gracefully, efficiently, less effortfully, etc. Sort of like a well lubricated auto – less…[Read more]

]]> 9eed6486625e2a94601d9758dd3a2559 asclepius replied to the topic Round 8: Binary Souls, Free Will, Why OneNess Chooses to Evolve in the forum Philosophy https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/round-8-binary-souls-free-will-why-oneness-chooses-to-evolve/page/3/#post-13119 Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:46:11 -0400 Thank you for posting this. It was interesting to read through your post, then Novak’s site, then go back and review the materials for Lesser Kan and Li.

Suddenly things made a lot more sense. A simpler picture of the practices formed in my head, that ultimately, the bulk of what we’re doing is a repeating pattern

1) Increase the energy…[Read more]

]]> 6e70c80138c0a2aede2e4e143add4bcf asclepius replied to the topic Liver Cleansing in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/liver-cleansing/#post-8324 Fri, 04 Nov 2005 14:48:10 -0400 Wendy,

I’ve used the liver cleanses many times, and definitely recommend them with just a few caveats. They definitely saved my gall bladder from surgery.

However, they can be somewhat harsh, esp. if you’re chock full of stones and weakened physically. The first few times I did it were bliss (in being free of the pain for a while)…[Read more]

]]> b8a28db1309e59ecb36eb64009d03b98 asclepius replied to the topic Chiropracter in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/chiropracter/#post-5946 Thu, 09 Jun 2005 06:47:00 -0400 It depends on your body and habits, and the chiropractor you have. There are skilled chiropractors and not-so-skilled ones. There are chiros who will take an xray and adjust the segments that they find are out on that xray, and adjust the same ones forever and never assume your body will change. There are some who do much much more. So, you…[Read more]

]]> b8a28db1309e59ecb36eb64009d03b98 asclepius replied to the topic Chiropracter in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/chiropracter/#post-5946 Thu, 09 Jun 2005 06:47:00 -0400 It depends on your body and habits, and the chiropractor you have. There are skilled chiropractors and not-so-skilled ones. There are chiros who will take an xray and adjust the segments that they find are out on that xray, and adjust the same ones forever and never assume your body will change. There are some who do much much more. So, you…[Read more]

]]> b8a28db1309e59ecb36eb64009d03b98 asclepius replied to the topic Chiropracter in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/chiropracter/#post-5946 Thu, 09 Jun 2005 06:47:00 -0400 It depends on your body and habits, and the chiropractor you have. There are skilled chiropractors and not-so-skilled ones. There are chiros who will take an xray and adjust the segments that they find are out on that xray, and adjust the same ones forever and never assume your body will change. There are some who do much much more. So, you…[Read more]

]]> 6d2be812a181aaad7c9e0dc3bd82ccea asclepius replied to the topic African version of Fox Spirits in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/african-version-of-fox-spirits/#post-5818 Fri, 20 May 2005 19:53:37 -0400 Possibly more important than how to fight, is there something about the individual that attracts these spirits in the first place?

Something I had put out of my mind for a long time… I had a couple experiences with getting buggered by a spirit, maybe 6 years ago. It didn’t sound quite as intense as that story, but it still scared the…[Read more]

]]> 6d2be812a181aaad7c9e0dc3bd82ccea asclepius replied to the topic African version of Fox Spirits in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/african-version-of-fox-spirits/#post-5818 Fri, 20 May 2005 19:53:37 -0400 Possibly more important than how to fight, is there something about the individual that attracts these spirits in the first place?

Something I had put out of my mind for a long time… I had a couple experiences with getting buggered by a spirit, maybe 6 years ago. It didn’t sound quite as intense as that story, but it still scared the…[Read more]

]]> 6d2be812a181aaad7c9e0dc3bd82ccea asclepius replied to the topic African version of Fox Spirits in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/african-version-of-fox-spirits/#post-5818 Fri, 20 May 2005 19:53:37 -0400 Possibly more important than how to fight, is there something about the individual that attracts these spirits in the first place?

Something I had put out of my mind for a long time… I had a couple experiences with getting buggered by a spirit, maybe 6 years ago. It didn’t sound quite as intense as that story, but it still scared the…[Read more]

]]> 6ff80fa485d3b93baba6b079ebc11236 asclepius replied to the topic Falun Gong in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/falun-gong/#post-5366 Fri, 06 May 2005 12:01:01 -0400 A couple of points that come to mind…

>doesn’t even seem to come close to fully describing anything nor
>does it really fully explain things of higher levels

Here’s the thing… does your life change when you are given these kinds of high level road maps? Is your practice improved? Do you love more? Do you laugh more? If so, that’s…[Read more]

]]> 6ff80fa485d3b93baba6b079ebc11236 asclepius replied to the topic Falun Gong in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/falun-gong/#post-5366 Fri, 06 May 2005 12:01:01 -0400 A couple of points that come to mind…

>doesn’t even seem to come close to fully describing anything nor
>does it really fully explain things of higher levels

Here’s the thing… does your life change when you are given these kinds of high level road maps? Is your practice improved? Do you love more? Do you laugh more? If so, that’s…[Read more]

]]> 6ff80fa485d3b93baba6b079ebc11236 asclepius replied to the topic Falun Gong in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/falun-gong/#post-5366 Fri, 06 May 2005 12:01:01 -0400 A couple of points that come to mind…

>doesn’t even seem to come close to fully describing anything nor
>does it really fully explain things of higher levels

Here’s the thing… does your life change when you are given these kinds of high level road maps? Is your practice improved? Do you love more? Do you laugh more? If so, that’s…[Read more]

]]> 66a7e3514272bd6cfeb90683a978b694 asclepius replied to the topic question for Michael Winn on Tao summer retreat in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/question-for-michael-winn-on-tao-summer-retreat/#post-5164 Sat, 30 Apr 2005 06:57:51 -0400 I get that in Michael’s weekend workshops in NC, haven’t tried more than two days in a row with him yet. Extra energy may help the blockage, but in my case when I get too focused on having energy pulse thru me, that just usually aggravates blockages, makes them even more conscious and perhaps even more agitating. 🙂 If that’s your concern, I’d…[Read more]

]]> 66a7e3514272bd6cfeb90683a978b694 asclepius replied to the topic question for Michael Winn on Tao summer retreat in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/question-for-michael-winn-on-tao-summer-retreat/#post-5164 Sat, 30 Apr 2005 06:57:51 -0400 I get that in Michael’s weekend workshops in NC, haven’t tried more than two days in a row with him yet. Extra energy may help the blockage, but in my case when I get too focused on having energy pulse thru me, that just usually aggravates blockages, makes them even more conscious and perhaps even more agitating. 🙂 If that’s your concern, I’d…[Read more]

]]> 66a7e3514272bd6cfeb90683a978b694 asclepius replied to the topic question for Michael Winn on Tao summer retreat in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/question-for-michael-winn-on-tao-summer-retreat/#post-5164 Sat, 30 Apr 2005 06:57:51 -0400 I get that in Michael’s weekend workshops in NC, haven’t tried more than two days in a row with him yet. Extra energy may help the blockage, but in my case when I get too focused on having energy pulse thru me, that just usually aggravates blockages, makes them even more conscious and perhaps even more agitating. 🙂 If that’s your concern, I’d…[Read more]

]]> fe8e9fda11fcd8f8af5f8cf026443fdc asclepius replied to the topic Chi ? in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/chi/#post-4345 Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:12:00 -0400 Very good point about seminal retention, that doesn’t seem to fit into that model, unless there’s a different way of looking at that practice, or again, a highlight that my understanding of the HT position is incomplete.

I started out with the perspective that I got from the martial arts, with chi considered as a substance to collect and…[Read more]

]]> fe8e9fda11fcd8f8af5f8cf026443fdc asclepius replied to the topic Chi ? in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/chi/#post-4345 Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:12:00 -0400 Very good point about seminal retention, that doesn’t seem to fit into that model, unless there’s a different way of looking at that practice, or again, a highlight that my understanding of the HT position is incomplete.

I started out with the perspective that I got from the martial arts, with chi considered as a substance to collect and…[Read more]

]]> fe8e9fda11fcd8f8af5f8cf026443fdc asclepius replied to the topic Chi ? in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/chi/#post-4345 Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:12:00 -0400 Very good point about seminal retention, that doesn’t seem to fit into that model, unless there’s a different way of looking at that practice, or again, a highlight that my understanding of the HT position is incomplete.

I started out with the perspective that I got from the martial arts, with chi considered as a substance to collect and…[Read more]

]]> 02186d7ecb6cd93dc34ce214ecd58411 asclepius replied to the topic Sleeping meditation in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/sleeping-meditation/#post-4367 Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:17:19 -0400 Michael has a course on taoist dream practices. Also, check out Juan Li’s article on the same practice

http://www.taoisthealing.com/TaoistDreamPractice/taoistdream.htm

]]> 02186d7ecb6cd93dc34ce214ecd58411 asclepius replied to the topic Sleeping meditation in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/sleeping-meditation/#post-4367 Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:17:19 -0400 Michael has a course on taoist dream practices. Also, check out Juan Li’s article on the same practice

http://www.taoisthealing.com/TaoistDreamPractice/taoistdream.htm

]]> 02186d7ecb6cd93dc34ce214ecd58411 asclepius replied to the topic Sleeping meditation in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/sleeping-meditation/#post-4367 Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:17:19 -0400 Michael has a course on taoist dream practices. Also, check out Juan Li’s article on the same practice

http://www.taoisthealing.com/TaoistDreamPractice/taoistdream.htm

]]> 14246ef8552e97702d895e43fd3567e4 asclepius replied to the topic Chi ? in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/chi/#post-4337 Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:15:48 -0400 Hi Kurt,

I imagine breathing would be my choice for least time consuming.

As I (likely, incompletely) understand the Healing Tao position on it from Fundamentals 1 & 2, we do practices not to collect chi, but to increase our awareness of, and improve the flow of, the chi field that already exists within us. We’re already made of…[Read more]

]]> 14246ef8552e97702d895e43fd3567e4 asclepius replied to the topic Chi ? in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/chi/#post-4337 Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:15:48 -0400 Hi Kurt,

I imagine breathing would be my choice for least time consuming.

As I (likely, incompletely) understand the Healing Tao position on it from Fundamentals 1 & 2, we do practices not to collect chi, but to increase our awareness of, and improve the flow of, the chi field that already exists within us. We’re already made of…[Read more]

]]> 14246ef8552e97702d895e43fd3567e4 asclepius replied to the topic Chi ? in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/chi/#post-4337 Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:15:48 -0400 Hi Kurt,

I imagine breathing would be my choice for least time consuming.

As I (likely, incompletely) understand the Healing Tao position on it from Fundamentals 1 & 2, we do practices not to collect chi, but to increase our awareness of, and improve the flow of, the chi field that already exists within us. We’re already made of…[Read more]

]]> ef420b4979c24e0dc746ffa1a6be5802 asclepius replied to the topic masturbation okay? in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/masturbation-okay/#post-4215 Sun, 10 Apr 2005 08:22:07 -0400 It probably doesn’t show up because that’s not how Ron Jeremy spells it. 🙂

Actually a virus wiped out the old site not all that long ago. The folks here who’ve done the healing love course will be able to offer a better perspective on it. It’s my understanding that raising and transforming sexual energy is an integral part of the…[Read more]

]]> ef420b4979c24e0dc746ffa1a6be5802 asclepius replied to the topic masturbation okay? in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/masturbation-okay/#post-4215 Sun, 10 Apr 2005 08:22:07 -0400 It probably doesn’t show up because that’s not how Ron Jeremy spells it. 🙂

Actually a virus wiped out the old site not all that long ago. The folks here who’ve done the healing love course will be able to offer a better perspective on it. It’s my understanding that raising and transforming sexual energy is an integral part of the…[Read more]

]]> ef420b4979c24e0dc746ffa1a6be5802 asclepius replied to the topic masturbation okay? in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/masturbation-okay/#post-4215 Sun, 10 Apr 2005 08:22:07 -0400 It probably doesn’t show up because that’s not how Ron Jeremy spells it. 🙂

Actually a virus wiped out the old site not all that long ago. The folks here who’ve done the healing love course will be able to offer a better perspective on it. It’s my understanding that raising and transforming sexual energy is an integral part of the…[Read more]

]]> 3aa6d947c1ee88283f62e1de101b4ce9 asclepius replied to the topic Fusion I and Meritous Deeds in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/fusion-i-and-meritous-deeds/#post-4081 Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:11:47 -0400 Brother, I’m a little confused by your response. Are you writing in response to me, or kinda venting about what’s been going on lately? I admit it’s kinda confusing after posts were made in spyrelx’s name.

For the record, Max did not write that, I did. Nobody hijacked my account. He’s not my pal, nor did I personally support him or Plato…[Read more]

]]> 3aa6d947c1ee88283f62e1de101b4ce9 asclepius replied to the topic Fusion I and Meritous Deeds in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/fusion-i-and-meritous-deeds/#post-4081 Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:11:47 -0400 Brother, I’m a little confused by your response. Are you writing in response to me, or kinda venting about what’s been going on lately? I admit it’s kinda confusing after posts were made in spyrelx’s name.

For the record, Max did not write that, I did. Nobody hijacked my account. He’s not my pal, nor did I personally support him or Plato…[Read more]

]]> 3aa6d947c1ee88283f62e1de101b4ce9 asclepius replied to the topic Fusion I and Meritous Deeds in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/fusion-i-and-meritous-deeds/#post-4081 Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:11:47 -0400 Brother, I’m a little confused by your response. Are you writing in response to me, or kinda venting about what’s been going on lately? I admit it’s kinda confusing after posts were made in spyrelx’s name.

For the record, Max did not write that, I did. Nobody hijacked my account. He’s not my pal, nor did I personally support him or Plato…[Read more]

]]> d9e021456e887a3c71e6a9d23ca877cf asclepius replied to the topic question on technique for cancer pain in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/question-on-technique-for-cancer-pain/page/2/#post-3944 Wed, 06 Apr 2005 08:40:24 -0400 I also found her book, Sweat your Prayers, very useful.

]]> d9e021456e887a3c71e6a9d23ca877cf asclepius replied to the topic question on technique for cancer pain in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/question-on-technique-for-cancer-pain/#post-3944 Wed, 06 Apr 2005 08:40:24 -0400 I also found her book, Sweat your Prayers, very useful.

]]> 09a834c750c2256ce1c52ce70181b5f9 asclepius replied to the topic Question on Standing Practice in the forum Practice https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/question-on-standing-practice/#post-3978 Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:12:53 -0400 09a834c750c2256ce1c52ce70181b5f9 asclepius replied to the topic Question on Standing Practice in the forum Practice https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/question-on-standing-practice/#post-3978 Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:12:53 -0400 03f6e4d177681b96505736af06820c78 asclepius replied to the topic My first post and a few questions for Michael Winn... in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/my-first-post-and-a-few-questions-for-michael-winn/page/2/#post-3886 Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:12:14 -0400 Those open up if you’re subscribed to the newsletter.

]]> 03f6e4d177681b96505736af06820c78 asclepius replied to the topic My first post and a few questions for Michael Winn... in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/my-first-post-and-a-few-questions-for-michael-winn/#post-3886 Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:12:14 -0400 Those open up if you’re subscribed to the newsletter.

]]> 52ac19620e1d86be138cee545cd119c1 asclepius replied to the topic Question on Standing Practice in the forum Practice https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/question-on-standing-practice/#post-3974 Tue, 05 Apr 2005 08:55:13 -0400 “If you’ve worked out a lot you know you can be in pretty great shape, working out all the time, and then try a new exercise and have muscles or parts of muscles that you never knew you had ache for days. That is I think what’s going on.”

That’s true. But what threw me was in that same model if you don’t do your regular exercises for a time…[Read more]

]]> 52ac19620e1d86be138cee545cd119c1 asclepius replied to the topic Question on Standing Practice in the forum Practice https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/question-on-standing-practice/#post-3974 Tue, 05 Apr 2005 08:55:13 -0400 “If you’ve worked out a lot you know you can be in pretty great shape, working out all the time, and then try a new exercise and have muscles or parts of muscles that you never knew you had ache for days. That is I think what’s going on.”

That’s true. But what threw me was in that same model if you don’t do your regular exercises for a time…[Read more]

]]> e4f9ef0fd5d6220df0c9b734f84a0ca3 asclepius replied to the topic My first post and a few questions for Michael Winn... in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/my-first-post-and-a-few-questions-for-michael-winn/#post-3856 Sat, 02 Apr 2005 07:24:00 -0400 Rob,

Best I can tell, the practice doesn’t have to be insane. It only needs to bring up more than you can digest/process at the time.

In my case, this only meant 30-90 minutes a day of standing like a tree. Usually 20-30 minutes at a shot, but I went as long as 50 minutes a few times. It wasn’t even all that meditative most of the time.…[Read more]

]]> e4f9ef0fd5d6220df0c9b734f84a0ca3 asclepius replied to the topic My first post and a few questions for Michael Winn... in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/my-first-post-and-a-few-questions-for-michael-winn/#post-3856 Sat, 02 Apr 2005 07:24:00 -0400 Rob,

Best I can tell, the practice doesn’t have to be insane. It only needs to bring up more than you can digest/process at the time.

In my case, this only meant 30-90 minutes a day of standing like a tree. Usually 20-30 minutes at a shot, but I went as long as 50 minutes a few times. It wasn’t even all that meditative most of the time.…[Read more]

]]> 1b5fd29f79704580c970c52b2bc58611 asclepius replied to the topic My first post and a few questions for Michael Winn... in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/my-first-post-and-a-few-questions-for-michael-winn/#post-3844 Fri, 01 Apr 2005 21:21:36 -0400 >Can you or anyone comment on the Magus of Java?

Can’t speak about the man or the methods, but I’m actually grateful for his book for a reason that I didn’t expect when i got it. You all might think this is silly and basic, but it was a big shift for me at the time.

Maybe it just appealed to my inner scientist, but that graph he drew to…[Read more]

]]> 1b5fd29f79704580c970c52b2bc58611 asclepius replied to the topic My first post and a few questions for Michael Winn... in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/my-first-post-and-a-few-questions-for-michael-winn/#post-3844 Fri, 01 Apr 2005 21:21:36 -0400 >Can you or anyone comment on the Magus of Java?

Can’t speak about the man or the methods, but I’m actually grateful for his book for a reason that I didn’t expect when i got it. You all might think this is silly and basic, but it was a big shift for me at the time.

Maybe it just appealed to my inner scientist, but that graph he drew to…[Read more]

]]> 4434a62308c9c65d950debe1672d2875 asclepius replied to the topic THE BRAIN in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/the-brain/page/2/#post-3717 Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:26:36 -0400 You know, I used to have that position, and I still think it would be extraordinarily cool to live in a world like that.

The problem I keep running into, though, is that we have this rather big thing sitting in Egypt out on the Giza plateau. Pretty much everybody knows its there. I’m no expert, but last I heard we still don’t have the…[Read more]

]]> 4434a62308c9c65d950debe1672d2875 asclepius replied to the topic THE BRAIN in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/the-brain/#post-3717 Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:26:36 -0400 You know, I used to have that position, and I still think it would be extraordinarily cool to live in a world like that.

The problem I keep running into, though, is that we have this rather big thing sitting in Egypt out on the Giza plateau. Pretty much everybody knows its there. I’m no expert, but last I heard we still don’t have the…[Read more]

]]> 3b8d83c7a79d430ff47f6f246d1e86cf asclepius replied to the topic THE BRAIN in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/the-brain/page/2/#post-3711 Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:52:28 -0400 >Spill the ebans Michael your a proponent of bringing things from the
>dark side/secrecy into the light as it looks like your trying to do with
>teaching Alchemy.

My two cents…

After having read most of the material on Atlantis that I’ve been able to find this far, I actually lean towards disagreeing on Michael’s point about the…[Read more]

]]> 3b8d83c7a79d430ff47f6f246d1e86cf asclepius replied to the topic THE BRAIN in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/the-brain/#post-3711 Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:52:28 -0400 >Spill the ebans Michael your a proponent of bringing things from the
>dark side/secrecy into the light as it looks like your trying to do with
>teaching Alchemy.

My two cents…

After having read most of the material on Atlantis that I’ve been able to find this far, I actually lean towards disagreeing on Michael’s point about the…[Read more]

]]> 8ede5c4196686e6f369589dadb0c5a68 asclepius replied to the topic Act 2, Primal Water and Fire Alchemy in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/act-2-primal-water-and-fire-alchemy/#post-3453 Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:46:09 -0400 8ede5c4196686e6f369589dadb0c5a68 asclepius replied to the topic Act 2, Primal Water and Fire Alchemy in the forum General https://healingtaousa.com/forums/topic/act-2-primal-water-and-fire-alchemy/#post-3453 Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:46:09 -0400