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August 2, 2006 at 2:01 pm #16047IntelligenceParticipant
Are these TAO formulas truth?
how can you tell?
What about a TRUE prayer..
something honest, something TRUE..
if you can’t handle the truth, then you’re weak..
if you give up before you’ve found it, then you’ve failed..
if you never find it, at least you died trying
and perhaps the voyage is worth it in and of itself..
all else is a LIE
something like,
“If there be a GOD, or many GODS, or a force that is like unto GOD, if there be a vaster plan and divine intelligence or SOMETHING that can help me know the truth, please help me to know it so that I may live my life in accordance.. so that I may know the right from the wrong, the true from the false..if it be man, animal, nature, GOD, the divine, the mundane, please let me come to know the truth..”
August 2, 2006 at 2:05 pm #16048IntelligenceParticipantAugust 2, 2006 at 2:14 pm #16050IntelligenceParticipantis the TAO the true architecture?
what is the geometry of the TAO and does it prove itself?
August 2, 2006 at 2:21 pm #16052IntelligenceParticipantIs Allah GOD? is YHWH God? is Jesus/YHSWH God?
what better system to test than TAO..
what about DAN WINTER
what about JJ HURTAK
what about DMT/LSD/PSILOCYBIN and neurochemistry in comparison to biofeedback and yoga/chi kung?August 3, 2006 at 5:45 am #16054wanderingoakParticipantA famous dharma combat
The teachers, seventy-year-old Kalu Rinpoche of Tibet, a veteran of years of solitary retreat, and the Zen master Seung Sahn, the first Korean Zen master to teach in the United States, were to test each other’s understanding of the Buddha’s teachings for the benefit of the onlooking Western students. This was to be a high form of what was being called _dharma_ combat (the clashing of great minds sharpened by years of study and meditation), and we were waiting with all the anticipation that such a historic encounter deserved. The two monks entered with swirling robes — maroon and yellow for the Tibetan, austere grey and black for the Korean — and were followed by retinues of younger monks and translators with shaven heads. They settled onto cushions in the familiar cross-legged positions, and the host made it clear that the younger Zen master was to begin. The Tibetan lama sat very still, fingering a wooden rosary with one hand while murmuring, “Om mani padme hum” continuously under his breath.
The Zen master, who was already gaining renown for his method of hurling questions at his students until they were forced to admit their ignorance and then bellowing, “Keep that don’t know mind!” at them, reached deep inside his robes and drew out an orange. “What is this?” he demanded of the lama. “What is this?” This was a typical opening question, and we could feel him ready to pounce on whatever response he was given.
The Tibetan sat quietly fingering his mala and made no move to respond.
“What is this?” the Zen master insisted, holding the orange up to the Tibetan’s nose.
Kalu Rinpoche bent very slowly to the Tibetan monk near to him who was serving as the translator, and they whispered back and forth for several minutes. Finally the translator addressed the room: “Rinpoche says, ‘What is the matter with him? Don’t they have oranges where he comes from?”
The dialog progressed no further.
August 4, 2006 at 7:29 am #16056PeroParticipantWhen I first read this story, I think I had a brief moment of enlightenment, which caused me that I laughed so hard I almost feel of my chair. Now, everytime I see this story I just smile. Really, a great story.
August 7, 2006 at 1:15 am #16058IntelligenceParticipantMaybe a ZEN lesson in WARFARE
Hell Yeah!
August 7, 2006 at 1:17 am #16060IntelligenceParticipantjust beat them up occasionally…
Has anyone considered the TAO of violence?
What if every time someone suppresses a NORMAL amount of rage it bubbles up somewhere else in the UNIVERSE as excessive rage which compensates..
perhaps a bar fight or beating up someone who deserves it balances it all out BEFORE it turns into standing armies
August 7, 2006 at 9:58 am #16062IntelligenceParticipantAugust 8, 2006 at 7:09 am #16064NnonnthParticipantHi Intelligence –
>>perhaps a bar fight or beating up someone who deserves it balances it all out BEFORE it turns into standing armies<<
That won't work because if it arises and is acted upon then it will arise again. It is like scratching an insect bite. After five minutes it starts itching again.
Don't repress and don't express – transmute. NN
August 8, 2006 at 1:09 pm #16066NnonnthParticipantbut why don’t you ask here if it’s quick? I’m not an authority mind you! NN
August 8, 2006 at 1:44 pm #16068IntelligenceParticipantMeaning, if you take the context..
you have studies of nature telling us that primates form hierarchies just like other mammals
and the stronger quicker more agile are able to propogate due to dominance and “healthier” genes
then you have spirtuality posing this “serpent” vs dove thing of love
then you have sacrifice vs wimpiness in that context
when it all boils down to a simple brawl, I tend to look at it like a pyramid..
I WOULD NEVER ENSLAVE ANYONE..
but I would beat someone up who steals my stuff..
as I’ve grown older (past 18 20 25) it becomes less and less adult to do so, hence the pyramidbut when it comes down to say your 10 year old son having stuff stolen.. what then?
this is not even an issue of aggressive attack..
this is an issue of what appear to be inevitable conflictsi never stole people’s personal stuff.. but man did i ever encounter some violent monkey like people.. I ALWAYS fought back.. but only instigated once..
that was a mystery in and of itself.. someone EVERYONE else picked on and I jumped in..
I totally regret it.. I had no reason to dislike the person
August 8, 2006 at 1:44 pm #16070IntelligenceParticipantMeaning, if you take the context..
you have studies of nature telling us that primates form hierarchies just like other mammals
and the stronger quicker more agile are able to propogate due to dominance and “healthier” genes
then you have spirtuality posing this “serpent” vs dove thing of love
then you have sacrifice vs wimpiness in that context
when it all boils down to a simple brawl, I tend to look at it like a pyramid..
I WOULD NEVER ENSLAVE ANYONE..
but I would beat someone up who steals my stuff..
as I’ve grown older (past 18 20 25) it becomes less and less adult to do so, hence the pyramidbut when it comes down to say your 10 year old son having stuff stolen.. what then?
this is not even an issue of aggressive attack..
this is an issue of what appear to be inevitable conflictsi never stole people’s personal stuff.. but man did i ever encounter some violent monkey like people.. I ALWAYS fought back.. but only instigated once..
that was a mystery in and of itself.. someone EVERYONE else picked on and I jumped in..
I totally regret it.. I had no reason to dislike the person
August 8, 2006 at 1:46 pm #16072IntelligenceParticipantbut boy they sure didn’t mind telling me that… based on what I see as absurd mythologies that THEY never bothered to look into
August 8, 2006 at 4:51 pm #16074NnonnthParticipant>>Meaning, if you take the context.. <<
I'm not following you too clearly here, but let's be concrete. If you mean, do I think it is possible to balance and transmute the emotions the answer is yes. Why else would I say it?
What you are saying about context I don't understand. The context is being a human being. Don't get caught up on what you would do in such and such a situation, or try to make a rule for what is better. NN
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