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November 29, 2006 at 11:59 pm #19627IntelligenceParticipant
Any time someone tells you not to blame people who are murdering 2000 people a day for profit for choosing to murder 2000 people a day for profit of their won free will
something is wrong
Any time someone acts like we’re all one big entity despite the fact that people are making consientious selfish decisions 24 hours a day based around simple selfish profit
something is wrong
the only sustainable scientific definition of enlightnement would pertain to quantum influx shifting at the synapse
and for that matter if you art going to deal with pinolin and dmt you might as well talk about endarkenment
If a tree falls in the forset and no one is there to hear it does it make a sound?
the tree has a sustainable presence before you after you and without you
It doies not matter in the least whether people are one entity when each unit has it’s own mind and choice to kill peolpe for profit and chooses to do so to benefit it.
November 30, 2006 at 5:47 am #19628Alexander AlexisParticipantAre you actually going to try to convince us that your negativity, dualistic/separatist viewpoint and drug abuse is a form of enlightenment, and that my focus on love, unity consciousness and a strong meditation practice is darkness?
Please answer this question because there are many here who do not understand your wisdom and would like you to explain it to them.
-Alexander
November 30, 2006 at 7:07 am #19630wendyParticipantJust to give you some thinking, something I extracted from my alchemical inner practice, not from any book, although it might be written somewhere. As my sign is snake (Chinese and native American)/scorpio (western) I am perfectly soaked with its energy:
When a snake transforms, you could say is getting wings, it becomes a dragon (I received a dragon heart couple of years ago). When a dragon transforms it becomes an eagle (the sharp eye, intermediair between heaven and earth)
What is the US symbol in this story, exactly, a transformed snake…so both energies are living… you could say, both the dark side and the light side are united in one nation.
Meaning that the US holds the key for destruction or peace. Some responsability you are holding there as well what an incredible chance.And lucky enough you finally are confronted with the snake in its pure dark form, it had to, because you wouldn’t be able to see it otherwise but forces are helping to reveal its true face. Finally people are awakening, so be happy. It is up to everyone of you and us to transform the snake, not to kill it… so yes any love practice is usefull.
You are trapped in its energy, you are part of its game to create separation and distrust, you are revealing exactly what it wants us to do.
November 30, 2006 at 7:33 am #19632NnonnthParticipant>>you are revealing exactly what it wants us to do.<<
If you feel these people are fuckers I suggest not letting them control your mind or your emotions.
NN
November 30, 2006 at 11:02 am #19634NnonnthParticipant– you might like to peruse, by Bill Mistele. Sorry for its length but it is in parts very apposite to what is being talked about here. I hope some people will take the time to read it…
Best NN
November 30, 2006 at 1:06 pm #19636digdugParticipant“Are you actually going to try to convince us that your negativity, dualistic/separatist viewpoint and drug abuse is a form of enlightenment, and that my focus on love, unity consciousness and a strong meditation practice is darkness?”
I mean not to interfere with others arguments, BUT, knowing the guy, you are so far off the mark it’s absurd, and the fact that you would say so equally absurd
What’s being pointed out is that you are missing the point that there are cold hard facts concerning the UN, Richard Clarke, Michael Moore, the UN Secretary General, Carter, and the invasion of Iraq
it is a bonafide invasion that the UN declared illegal
how deep in the chi field to you need to go to understand simple facts?
anyone who sees this kindof stuff will say, hmm, it looks like the Bush Cheney families and others have created an issue in Iraq that should not exist and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens are now dead as a result
what’s being pointed out is that a collective unconsious does invalidate blame when blame is due because people are consantly making selfish choices.
In my opinion it is time for people to demand the complete and total truth and to place themselves in a global context
November 30, 2006 at 1:20 pm #19638digdugParticipantIf you put this information in front of people, if you show them very basic facts about the war, most respond with, wow, it sure does look like an invasion based around personal profit over oil and money
And then you see Iran calling America Satan (supposedly)
Many people have been accusing the US of having a shadow goverment for decades, probably since JFK and the CIA (which Bush senior was so involved in)
All I am saying is look at facts as facts and you will see big problems with the War
Look at CNN and you will people saying “take oil out of the picture and you won’t see a war against Iraq”
look at fox and you’ll see what I consider onesided terror propaganda
Ask Carter, Clarke, United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan, and you will see big problems.. ask Al Gore
November 30, 2006 at 2:49 pm #19640NnonnthParticipantNovember 30, 2006 at 3:31 pm #19642digdugParticipantNot that I know everything or anything BUT it sure does seem to me that if:
>1) The UN says US invasion of Iraq was globally illegal
>2) President Carter says the invasion is the biggest blunder in US Presidential history
>3) Richard Clarke, advisor on terror, testifies that he found no connection to a terror threat in Iraq, told Bush, and was commanded to find a connectionthat, Iran, having it’s neighbor invaded under such suspicious circumstances, would probably be very ticked off.
You would think that given the number of people across CNN, CBS, etc that have said they doubt there would be a war without oil in the picture that FOX news could spend some of it’s time discussing the Iranian point of view on things instead of demonizing them.
November 30, 2006 at 3:32 pm #19644digdugParticipantthere are peace movements and protests available
and a composite of facts never hurt
November 30, 2006 at 9:52 pm #19646Alexander AlexisParticipantDigdug,
You, as is Intelligence, are bypassing the deeper (and absolutely causal) level of things which I have repeatedly asserted is a spiritual one. Consciousness, or the lack of it, is what creates the behavior of the human race. What people believe is what determines what happens in their lives.
It is very very clear just what certain parties out there are doing, and they are doing it because they are a reflection of the issues that have been percolating in the human psyche for ages. Saying this is not a denial of what is happening. It is a perspective which gives you room to move as NOT a victim. My main purpose in conversations such as this is to point out the fact that to blame and to try to control those who you think are creating the world to be what it is is to make yourself a willing victim to them and to consequently and totally disallow yourself from ever really changing any of it.
I clearly see the atrocities and have commented on them before. You must realize that my statements are not based on denying what is actually happening, for I have been aware of these things since I was a child growing up in the fifties. My statements are based on the knowing that in blaming, judging and punishing you are creating the same separation energy which has been causing the fighting to go on for so long on this planet. You cannot solve the problems here by attacking what you do not want. Only a victim of circumstances does that. You solve ANY problem by focussing on creating what it is you do want.
In terms of, say, war as an example, this would play out to mean that as the consciousness of people is raised towards love and unity rather than hating the enemy (and in this case, Intelligence and others believe that Bush, etc are enemies to do something to in order to create change) their behavior would shift so that the ones presently in power were simply not supported anymore. No one would make weapons in order to live. No one would participate in war for them. Being a loving conscious person does not allow that. It simply is not what we will be doing when the energies have shifted. All resources will be put to use on behalf of people’s wellbeing. You must be able to envision this as a possiblity in order for it to exist. If you simply reject it as delusional, as Intelligence has, you are limiting yourself to a veiwpoint of the world which is dysfunctional and not based on the hard science of our times.
To some, like Intelligence, thinking in unity consciousness is ridiculous. And he has gone out of his way to insult and hate anyone who has promoted this line of belief. But he has never been able in any of his poisonous diatribes to explain how hate, blame, or fear is going to change the world. He has consistently ignored ALL spiritual teaching from any culture, all of which say exactly the same thing: “Love thy neighbor as thyself…” ALL of modern science/quantum physics has consistently shown that we live in a unified field which is always communicating with itself. So while we are individuals, we are not separate by any means.
Also, Intelligence has gone out of his way to insult spiritual practices in favor of taking drugs as a means to enlightenment. I and others have in the past attempted to have conversations with him about the subjects of meditation, spiritual beliefs, drugs… and in every single instance he has been unable to hold a peaceful or rational conversation. He inevitably falls back on insults (“Pseudo Enlightenment, Flim Flam New Agery, and Cotton Candy Mysticism”) because he simply doesn’t understand that a bigger view is possible and functional. He dismisses it all with arrogance and disdain because the holistic viewpoint of life, seeing life with the Heart, is not available to him.
His comments on using drugs clearly reveal a dependency on those substances in order to reach higher states of consciousness. The point of using any substances is to show you what is possible. It is then up to you to self-create those states so you can live in them without needing the external means to get there. His response to all our assertions that many of us here can do that is to say that we are lying about that. That we are “pseudo enlightened,” kidding ourselves and lost losers living in denial of reality.
He has never been able to answer any of the questions we have put to him in our attempts to discuss these issues with him. I would ask him this now, or you, if you think you have a good answer:
What would you do if you woke up tomorrow and there wasn’t a drug on the planet to take?
I can tell you MY answer- I wouldn’t care because I can access Source states on my own.
So my original question still stands waiting to be answered, if you or he can:
“Are you actually going to try to convince us that your negativity, dualistic/separatist viewpoint and drug abuse is a form of enlightenment, and that my focus on love, unity consciousness and a strong meditation practice is darkness?”
-Alexander
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