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September 16, 2007 at 9:36 am #24386NnonnthParticipant
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September 16, 2007 at 11:32 pm #24387DogParticipantSeptember 17, 2007 at 11:21 am #24389BeginnerParticipantHi j,
Not being from the school of chaos magic I felt a bit on the sidelines. I want to see if I got it.
First let me say your voice and fluid expressive style is perfect for just such a blog. I read it through just to be entertained by the ease you peck the keys with.
SO, the idea you cracked open was the very act of imagining the three bushels of flax puts us in the position of witnessing our mind at work creating reality? When this process is observed with clarity and skill it then is the basis for chaos magic?
How if there is a separation between the witness and thought then, will…deeper connected will- can emerge to sculpt the reality we live in?
Is this the essence of the piece?
Also how do you see this internal alchemy approach from the taoists meet and match chaos magic?
Thanks for tuning us in…I am sorry I didn’t meet you while I was in London… barry
September 17, 2007 at 12:41 pm #24391NnonnthParticipant… now I think of it you’re right, the target audience is really not people here as such. On the other hand later posts especially will I think link everything up. These early ones just don’t focus where people here focus… I do think it all links up though.
You certainly seem to’ve pretty much got what I was saying.
>>First let me say your voice and fluid expressive style is perfect for just such a blog. I read it through just to be entertained by the ease you peck the keys with.<>SO, the idea you cracked open was the very act of imagining the three bushels of flax puts us in the position of witnessing our mind at work creating reality?<>When this process is observed with clarity and skill it then is the basis for chaos magic?<>How if there is a separation between the witness and thought then, will…deeper connected will- can emerge to sculpt the reality we live in?<>Also how do you see this internal alchemy approach from the taoists meet and match chaos magic?<>Thanks for tuning us in…I am sorry I didn’t meet you while I was in London…<<
Well there'll be other opportunities I'm sure. It does sound like your life is very busy and interesting right now anyhow… j
September 17, 2007 at 9:26 pm #24393BeginnerParticipantHmm…speling not my bset eithre and i don;t no glnee. no escuze
Thanks for the patience you are taking. I will keep up as reading writings from various perspectives with different language makes one realize the terrain is never the map- its just some maps are more suited to the times one is going through. The culture, history, one’s nature.
As I work into the Kan and Li’s and beyond there is a coherence by merging with the greater body we are which is energetic but also resonates with my physicality. This is the beauty of taoist meditations. Earth earth earth. And I am using all the earth I can cultivate!
I also don’t work with sigils but the instruments of geometry Michael suggests are useful in getting me inside. I seem to fall continually into the lunacy of poetry. It seems to be music in space and thought and at times the only way to express anything multidimensionally. Plus it can show heart and personal spirit and evolution the objective signs do not.
barry
September 18, 2007 at 4:52 am #24395NnonnthParticipant>>This is the beauty of taoist meditations. Earth earth earth. And I am using all the earth I can cultivate!<>I also don’t work with sigils but the instruments of geometry Michael suggests are useful in getting me inside. I seem to fall continually into the lunacy of poetry. It seems to be music in space and thought and at times the only way to express anything multidimensionally. Plus it can show heart and personal spirit and evolution the objective signs do not.<<
The geometric ideas come from another approach. In chaos magick the idea is always not to have an approach at all, to allow geometry to manifest naturally if it's going to. In magick I will use music often, drumming and toning most commonly because of their deep resonance with body. Essentially they can be used like sigils also. But purpose of sigils is not to 'express' something, much more to 'impress', if you like. They must be beyond the "normal mind" understanding to work at all. The idea in chaos magick is always to make your own sigils, never rely on tradition, which forces a relationship with yourself as part of the greater flow of energy. My own sigil-systems include signs but also herbs, birdsong, clouds, rhythms, gestures, and now I'm adding tea leaves!
Oh and on the spelling thing, I was always a *great* speller, one of the few things I could do in school! It just seems to be a part of the process that for a while it's a skill you lose because it bound you too much to one set of symbols. j
September 18, 2007 at 11:26 am #24397BeginnerParticipantI like the improvisation you describe. As with anything one needs to follow some tradition to become familiar with the terrain. No? Why reinvent the wheel if you want to get to the frontier quicker? However, once in that wilderness with community and tools who knows what we are to build and with what inspirations but our relationship to the moment itself? Life seems always new and traditions must be non restrictive…or we have to let them be.
Of course this means facing my own fears and trust issues which is part of the unfolding.
I personally have closed down active astral projection as I noticed my lower sexual body became colder. What I mean is I had to distance myself from my core and so realized I couldn’t really trust what I encountered.
Or at times I would descend and leave the heart out. It was weird but true to the issues I am working out on the horizontal planes of living. I figure once I die I will have plenty of ‘time’ or whatever to do that sort of thing. Now I come back to the saying,
’embrace the earth and the heavens will follow.’ Finding it true and balancing/healing for me.That is a good distinction though. The use of poetry/sigils for example to express versus the use of it to impress. Of courser they can do both at the same time, right? I mean as i write and express I am listening to myself and getting im-pressed more through the language and its rhythmic meaning.
I Guess it has to do with intent and focus. Chaos magic…hmm…must google it…any leads? Barry
September 18, 2007 at 11:56 am #24399NnonnthParticipant>>As with anything one needs to follow some tradition to become familiar with the terrain. No? Why reinvent the wheel if you want to get to the frontier quicker?<>I personally have closed down active astral projection as I noticed my lower sexual body became colder. What I mean is I had to distance myself from my core and so realized I couldn’t really trust what I encountered.<>Or at times I would descend and leave the heart out. It was weird but true to the issues I am working out on the horizontal planes of living. I figure once I die I will have plenty of ‘time’ or whatever to do that sort of thing. Now I come back to the saying,
’embrace the earth and the heavens will follow.’ Finding it true and balancing/healing for me.<>That is a good distinction though. The use of poetry/sigils for example to express versus the use of it to impress. Of courser they can do both at the same time, right? I mean as i write and express I am listening to myself and getting im-pressed more through the language and its rhythmic meaning.<>I Guess it has to do with intent and focus. Chaos magic…hmm…must google it…any leads?<<I really recommend 'Visual Magick' by Jan Fries for anyone who wants a primer. The good thing also is that he doesn't talk at all about energy work so you can use whatever energy system you are used to. Actually all those guys are quite into Mantak and Frantzis and whatever as well – but in this book there's just a very neat primer on the kind of thing I'm talking about.
'Chaos Magick' itself has degenerated somewhat since its original burgeoning in my opinion – it became a fashion. I don't think Fries likes the term at all. All the techniques became absorbed into everyone's practice, so it had an effect. But I still like the term because it means 'free to do whatever'!
Thanks for reading mate! Will you be back in London sometime? j
September 19, 2007 at 2:37 pm #24401.freeform.ParticipantLike the blog a lot!
I was into magick for about a year and I think I took away the most usefull concept from chaos magic – that there is no truth in content – only in process… so whether your earth element is represented by a bear or a monkey does not matter, but the act of representing it does matter…
and this is what I see with the no-path path (lol)
I know people say that you make the greatest progress by going deeply into one ‘map’ and following it thoroughly, but I find it in my nature to use many different maps… The daoist map is an elegant piece of work – as a map it’s one of the better ones out there, so I’ve chosen it as the main map, whilst having many periphery maps explaining the same thing…
the feeling I have is that for me to go deeper I need many interpretations of the same territory – for example for someone a poem about a flower gets them to the essence/truth of the flower – I prefer a poem, a painting, chemical analysis, a song, colour chart etc…
I find that once you have many different maps of the same territory, you get so confused as to pop out of the map and experience the reality of the territory deeply… confusion is underestimated!!
And this links back with process/content duality – learning that content is unimportant allows your attention to stop clinging to the colourfullness of content and notice the sutle process beneath…
anyway… above is the drama that was created as a result of your blog, J – looking forward to the next entry.
September 19, 2007 at 3:10 pm #24403NnonnthParticipantI’m glad you enjoyed it dude.
Although my perspective is obviously a bit different from yours, I do totally agree on confusion obviously! ‘Not knowing is the most intimate’. Confusion is very valuable, in fact maybe the sheer postmodern multiplicity of maps forces more and more ‘not knowing’!
The reason I like the way I practice magic is because you gradually make your own map for personal connection. This will combine with any energy system you are using and of course with spirits as well. So coming up with ‘keys’ or ways to communicate with ‘it’ is not such a problem then. I always would have great difficulty simply following instructions!
For me there is already a certain instinctive methodology, that is, I would never from my personal practice use animals as they are used in the ‘5 animals form’, from working with real animal spirits. So I would never represent a part of myself with an animal, because they have to remain themselves! In general I do not try to represent abstract things with symbols at all, on the other hand I have noticed that as I get to know the territory, those other maps where people have done that make more and more sense to me. But to me animals are like herbs – sort of living sigils that have a will and virtue we are meant to parttake in and use wisely.
The kinds of sigilization I do whether signs or rhythms or tones or birdsong etc. is a way to connect the things I contact with the outside world for the purposes of building ties or achieving effects, but also to connect back within to find them, or re-find them. Sometimes it seems important to observe the process to me, sometimes not – depending on what that process is!
I’m hoping that as the blog goes onward what I’m doing will become clearer and clearer, anyway to me! I certainly wonder what you will make of the next post…
best j
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