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October 16, 2007 at 12:08 pm #24932NnonnthParticipant
I mentioned Draja Mickaharic’s new book ‘Immortality’ below, this is just a little collection of things he has heard in his capacity of wand-for-hire over the years. I doubt it would interest people on this site since a) the information is of little practical value, b) it concerns only physical immortality, not spiritual, and c) some of it is highly dubious as he admits!
I thought I’d summarize some of the info just for anyone curious. The first method he has heard most about is one neither he nor I nor anyone here will approve of, which is simply: astral projection, forceful occupation of another younger body belonging to someone else, and the shoving aside of their personalities in favour one’s own!
Mickaharic only discusses this to give himself the opportunity to give a couple of tales that are rather unpleasant but educational as to the depths humans will sink to… this kind of ‘immortality’ ranks up there with dracula I guess in the perniciousness stakes. But interestingly, Mickaharic mentions he is fairly certain that some yogic schools have information on practices like these! (Perhaps with willing students accepting the souls of their gurus!) So it’s not just magicians and taoists who get ahem ‘sucked into’ that sort of thing.
What is more interesting is the western physical immortality which comes from alchemical procedures. He has no information on how to make the potents concerned, I have to say! But he gives a number of stories from people who have crossed his path who have been involved in things like this and which, as he says, tally rather well in terms of the information given:
1. The ‘elixir’ or end result of the series of (many) alchemical operations is reddish in colour and thick.
2. It is best taken in one’s twenties or thirties. Older and it will kill you. There are strict and complex rules as to the dosage because too much will kill you at any age.
3. You must be well-prepared to take it because the taking of it initiates a process which lasts about a year. The first effect of this process is that all one’s hair and teeth fall out. Gradually one’s skin peels away as well, revealing very soft and sensitive pink new skin underneath. During this time one cannot take solid food of any kind and must be constantly looked after.
4. After the year during which one’s health grows gradually stronger, one will be free of one’s bedroom at last. At this point one is immune to both ageing and disease. One of his interviewees however mentioned that it is normal to retake the elixir after several centuries. This interviewee also said that there is a group of people known to him who have been imbibing this elixir since the 1400s! But Mickaharic was not able to verify this, not that he bothered to try I expect.
Natural to inquire: did Mickaharic meet any practicing alchemists during his time? The answer is yes, and the info on that is more interesting I think:
1. Of the people he met who considered themselves alchemists, Mickaharic considers the majority ‘puffers’ who have nothing at all interesting going on. He limits the ‘genuine alchemists’ of his acquaintance to three in number.
2. Of these three, none of them were *at all* interested, so far as he knew, in the fabled quests of alchemy: lead-to-gold, philosopher’s stone, and elixir of immortality. They limited themselves to making healing draughts for both physical and spiritual ailments – I suppose this is what one would expect.
3. All of them worked assiduously on their personalities to be as neutral, peaceful, positive and noble as possible, and considered this absolutely a prerequisite of any alchemical work.
4. A further prerequisite appears to be a happy marriage. All three of the ‘genuine alchemists’ he talks about were happily married men who were devoted to their wives. In one case when the wife died, the alchemist was not only deeply affected, he did no more alchemy after that.
I’m glad I read the book since it had so many interesting tidbits, but it’s not a practice book of any kind like his other books, and furthermore, it gives no information on the kinds of things which interest practitioners here – light body and spiritual immortality etc. It was a fun read but more for passing the time. So all the above is ‘just for the curious’! 🙂 🙂 🙂
j
October 16, 2007 at 8:47 pm #24933StevenModeratorOctober 19, 2007 at 9:58 am #24935Michael WinnKeymasterthanks for the summary, always interesting to read of the many streams of evolving humans.
I had a client once who was “occupied” by the soul of a (rather famous) dying guru – not even her own guru. He jumped into her a few minutes before he died, sending her into kkundalini convulsions. All the devoted chelas (followers) were insanely jealous, couldn’t understand why he had picked her, a good looking blonde with little meditation experience who had showed up “by chance” for a weekend of yoga classes. This was a the first ashram in America, Ananda Ashram near Monroe, NY. Shri Brahmananda Sarasvati, then known as Ramamurti S. Mishra, M.D. – an indian who took up acupuncture, curiously.
She was close to suicide when she came to me, a case of runaway kundalini with his voice inside her head yelling at her, telling her what to do. She claims I saved her life by explaining what happened and how to get back control of her energy body using taoist energetic methods. I taught her to co-exist with his soul and gradually integrate it rather than attempt to eject it. It ended up speeding up her spiritual development, and they eventually came to peaceful co-existence. She also developed a lot of psychic powers….
This was a pretty interesting case of the many dozens of kundalini cases that came to me for therapy. But what made it even more bizarre was that she was physically a near perfect clone of my first true love in life, my college sweetheart. Life is so amusing.
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October 19, 2007 at 10:13 am #24937NnonnthParticipant>>But what made it even more bizarre was that she was physically a near perfect clone of my first true love in life, my college sweetheart. Life is so amusing.<>It ended up speeding up her spiritual development… She also developed a lot of psychic powers….<>and they eventually came to peaceful co-existence.<<
LOL.
Who are they now? Who chose the signature and who owns the mortgage? Who gets to use the bathroom first? Does one have to shut hir eyes while the other is changing clothes? j/k j/k… 🙂
But why *did* he pick her I wonder? Felt like being a hot blonde, or just, it was where he was most compatible and could do most good?
Or were all the chelas a bunch of sorry no-hopers who constantly argued about inane points they didn't really understand? Nah couldn't be that, how could that happen?
🙂 🙂 🙂 j
October 23, 2007 at 6:06 pm #24939shabdParticipantthanks for these infos on the book!
there’s also a technique mentioned in Evans-Wentz’ Tibetan Yoga
called “Trong Jug” that was allegedly used for this transference of conciousness into another body… eerie, kind of, to me!October 23, 2007 at 6:29 pm #24941NnonnthParticipantOctober 26, 2007 at 4:30 am #24943StevenModeratorOctober 26, 2007 at 4:32 am #24945StevenModeratorOctober 26, 2007 at 5:45 am #24947NnonnthParticipant… do not watch movies right now, what is it about? j
October 26, 2007 at 10:34 am #24949StevenModeratorIt’s billed as a “haunted house” movie, but that’s not
what it is at all.Adorably cute actress Kate Hudson takes on a job as a hospice-type
nurse for an old couple that live in an old mansion buried away
in the remote Louisiana bayou. As she begins to explore the
house–in the form of sealed off type rooms–she uncovers that
a “long dead” powerful witch doctor has many of his belongings
stored away there–one who while alive had the power to
transfer his soul to a living person and eject theirs. Needlessly
to say, the movie takes some interesting unexpected turns from there
which I won’t spoil. It’s a fun ride, and somewhat better than
I expected. Rent it; you will like it.S
October 26, 2007 at 10:43 am #24951NnonnthParticipant -
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