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January 25, 2008 at 11:50 am #27164ludrupParticipant
Hi Michael
Just wondered if you or anyone else out there had looked into the practices and teachings of gnosticism e.g. http://www.gnosticteachings.org . There are some similiarities to the Taoist approach especially the emphasis on the transmutation of sexual energy and how consciousness is stepped down from the pure light.
However, there is a faint whiff of fanaticism about it. Just wondered what your take on it was.
L
January 27, 2008 at 4:03 pm #27165Michael WinnKeymasterThe more esoteric you get, the more similarities you will find between schools/different cultures. The principles necessarily are similar, but the methods themselves seem to vary widely. I’ve haven’t gone deep into gnosticism, except for the influence Atlantean alchemy practices may have had on it. That book is still forthcoming once I find time to format it as an ebook.
michaelJanuary 27, 2008 at 10:21 pm #27167spongebobParticipantI was in that group for a long time in the DC area. There’s A LOT of fanaticism.
Although some of the core teachings may be true, their icon, one Venerable Master Samael Aun Weor, is largely a plagiarist. They also have some very crazy beliefs, like a giant planet will destroy the Earth. When I was with them in the late 80’s early 90’s, this was supposed have happened by now. It hasn’t, but they still believe it, backpedaling on their date predictions and so forth.
This giant planet is called “Hercolobus.” There is absolutely no evidence for this thing. It should’ve been a “shining like a second sun in the sky” as of 2003 or 4. Well, where is it. It’s ten times the size of Jupiter, yet no one has seen it. Ask them for coordinates, and they all say the same thing–I know a guy who knows a guy who knows that and has seen it, but i can’t tell you.
There is also some fanatical disregard for modern science which they call “pseudo-science”. In spite of genetic science and paleontology,they claim ants and monkeys evolved from humans.
Their alchemy is also flawed. Very flawed. I spent an hour on the phone with Micahel one time talking about the problems that i got from this group (don’t know if he remembers that conversation back in 01 or 02)–sexual imbalances, repressed energy, chi built up in the strong places, etc. I believe my cousin, who was also in Gnosis,had a similar talk with Michael.
I could write a book at this point on all the problems in their esoterism and internal problems with their group and study centers. Fortuantely my cousin found Mantak Chia’s book and we switched to healing tao techniques.
In fact, the very existanence of that book flew in the face of “gnostic” teaching–Master Samael is the ONLY person in the world publicly teaching sexual alchemy. Anyone else who’s doing it “must be a black magician.”
Stay away from this group. You’ll be wasting your time. It’s full of idiots, fanatics, and misinformation. I am not exaggerating.
January 28, 2008 at 10:17 am #27169ludrupParticipantThanks for both of your input. I was impressed by some of their theoretical interpretations of the teachings of Jesus and others, yet felt uncomfortable with regard to the practices that they are outlining. I was particularly concerned over the somewhat zealous teachings on conservation/transmutation of sexual energy. Another thing was the fact that the only true teachers are those that you have passes an initiation with on the inner planes and that all teachers in the material world are essentially false prophets.
L
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