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March 27, 2005 at 7:54 pm #3742spongebobParticipant
thanks for the informative answer. i’ve often thought this about the brain (it being a typewriter) but have never heard a taoist science perspective on this organ. very interesting. and so were the subsequent posts about rabbits, egypt, and legendary civilizations.
which leads to my next question about alchemy: why does western alchemy focus so much on the brain then? from the beginning they work on transforming it thru seminalization, the transmutation of the sperm into higher energy (kundalini as i learned it), lifting this up to the brain, and thereby transforming the oragn and its associated glands. they dont work the other organs or the shen first. the only thing other than the brain they seem to care about is the genitals, nerve plexi, spine, and kidneys. or is this a result of bad teachers and misinformation?
March 29, 2005 at 5:53 am #3743JernejParticipantthey have two very basic premises:
1.what you resist, you create
2.you discreate by reaching the goal in real life or identifying with the achievement of the goal
The method is of releasing ‘the charge’ of goal structures thereby achieving spontaneous living.
So: what is the difference between achieving the goal in ‘real life’ or in processing?
It is the ching. Ching is the charge.
This calls forth working with upper and middle tantien. The more effective the magic the more emobodied the process.
If you are good, you work with upper dan tien. If very good, middle dan tien.
Full emobodiement is not sought. Allways are the emotional or subtler aspects contacted. Never the body/bodies itself. When contacting others it is the arhat idea of self and not the embodied self that is contacted.Externaly it is represented by enlightened ellite with commoners doing their bidding.
March 29, 2005 at 9:14 am #3745BeginnerParticipantI am not certain I understand as I have no associations with Scientology to refer to. I do find this interesting:
“The method is of releasing ‘the charge’ of goal structures thereby achieving spontaneous living”
I think of the taoist or yogi who sits doing nothing or contemplating their navel (I remember when, as a child, this phrase was the epitome of foolishness and ignorance? hehe.) How time based my life is, even in the spiritual practice of trying to hold to a linear progression.
Yet the body, jing, does move in a linear time based world. Are you saying that western magic is set in a world where the external body is not honored as a reflection of spirit? That the “enlightened elite” would not seek full embodiment but use their powers over the body…the commoners?
Thanks for making me think, baba
March 29, 2005 at 7:35 pm #3747TrunkParticipantime, different systems have their strengths – and tend to sometimes over-do whatever they’re hot on. The Taoist system over-uses the five element conceptual structure, imo; their emphasis on that over-shadows the brain and nervous system.
We’re in an unprecedented age where knowledge systems from all over the world are available at the tips of our fingers. Seeing the strengths of different systems, and letting them complement each other, is to our benefit, i believe.
March 29, 2005 at 11:32 pm #3749spyrelxParticipantI tend to agree with both points (i.e., overuse of 5 elements and being in an unprecedented age)
Thanks also for the brain link below, it was cool.
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