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September 4, 2012 at 4:09 am #39821StevenModerator
What a deal!
For only 99 cents, you can “Own the Elixir of Immortality”.
Plus you earn 10 points.LOL.
September 5, 2012 at 3:27 am #39822c_howdyParticipantMOTHER: and she turned to somebody that wasn’t there and said whoo she isn’t pregnant anymore with very strange voice
FATHER: it seems that she has never been alone in her head
DAUGHTER: i’m 13 and all others are 17
FATHER: she was always eccentric
DAUGHTER: I’m schizophrenic because i see what others cannot see
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTUMt05_nCI (young schizophrenic at her mind’s mercy, funny, but not only)Mystics through the ages have been persecuted for their experiences, which to normal mundane consciousness are insanity, yet to the sage are ecstasy. Socrates was poisoned because he did not behave normally. Christ was crucified on the cross because his teachings were not understood. Al-Hallaj, the Sufi saint, was skinned alive because he spoke the truth without fear of society. Joan of Arc and the witches of Salem were burned at the stake, as were many others. All have been persecuted and harassed by the mundane populace for their vision, which arose as a result of inner work. Due to this lack of understanding, many of the esoteric doctrines were hidden from the majority of people.
-SWAMI SATYANANDA SARASWATI, Kundalini TantraAnd then of course those superheroes were dark side type of superheroes.
-ZACK SNYDERThe Rev. Sun Myung Moon, the Korean evangelist, businessman and self-proclaimed messiah who built a religious movement notable for its mass weddings, fresh-faced proselytizers and links to vast commercial interests, died on Monday in Gapyeong, South Korea. He was 92.
-http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/03/world/asia/rev-sun-myung-moon-founder-of-unification-church-dies-at-92.html?pagewanted=allI have impression that anybody who is teaching immortality might have hard times with that sooner or later.
But if I an allowed to go back to Swami Satyananda (=somebody who loves truth) Sarawati’s list (Socrates, Christ, Al-Hallaj, Joan of Arc etc.), my question is that if you would need to choose some genuinely bad guy who also might have been in very special way spiritually (or actually demonically) inspired, who would you choose? I mean somebody to add to that list.
HOWDY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWSAyTyV3l8 (Essential Salts)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju1FiSt0TOY (cover)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7IZAXgnmM0 (Joseph Vacher)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as_d9_3NkB0 (Panzer Division Destroyed)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJmILsYp_Dw (Watchmen, 3:00-3:26)September 6, 2012 at 4:15 am #39824StevenModerator>>>But if I an allowed to go back to Swami Satyananda
>>>(=somebody who loves truth) Sarawati’s list
>>>(Socrates, Christ, Al-Hallaj, Joan of Arc etc.),
>>>my question is that if you would need to choose
>>>some genuinely bad guy who also might have been
>>>in very special way spiritually (or actually demonically)
>>>inspired, who would you choose? I mean somebody to
>>>add to that list.Bad guy? Demonically inspired? Spiritual nature?
I don’t know. The only people that come to mind would
be Anton Szandor LaVey and Aleister Crowley.Why do you ask?
Are you interested in falling into the dark side?S
September 8, 2012 at 3:29 am #39826c_howdyParticipantSchizophrenia is a mental disorder characterized by a breakdown of thought processes and by poor emotional responsiveness. It most commonly manifests itself as auditory hallucinations, paranoid or bizarre delusions, or disorganized speech and thinking, and it is accompanied by significant social or occupational dysfunction. The onset of symptoms typically occurs in young adulthood, with a global lifetime prevalence of about 0.30.7%. Diagnosis is based on observed behavior and the patient’s reported experiences.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SchizophreniaImaginary friends are made often in childhood, sometimes in adolescence, and rarely in adulthood. They often function as tutelaries when played with by a child. They reveal, according to several theories of psychology, a child’s anxieties, fears, goals and perceptions of the world through that child’s conversations. They are, according to some children, physically indistinguishable from real people, while others say they see their imaginary friends only in their heads. There’s even a third category of imaginary friend recognition: when the child doesn’t see the imaginary friend at all, but can only feel his/her presence. Imaginary friends are more often seen as abnormal in adults, whereas quite common in children.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_friendMichael already addressed this dragon fear you have in a previous post.
Basic idea is that the dragon is servant *to you* in the meditation.
Nonetheless, if you still have your own personal issues with it,
there is no harm in doing the exact same meditation without the dragon
and just using the spinning pearl. It is your choice.
-http://forum.healingdao.com/practice/message/22565/Sorry but this idea of immortality is so outlandish that again became almost irritated with that.
But I was actually trying to consider what is the difference between those “imaginary friends” which seemingly possess this poor girl mentioned above and for example Michael Winn’s and Wendy’s immortals. She (that girl) tells that beside these common (for schizophrenics) hallucinations these “friends” as well scratch and bite her etc. It’s also not so rare as they say in that program I have impression, but these kind of cases seem to be hidden in special kind of places (for example Camphill communities, which also Finland has several).
Swami Satyananda Saraswati too makes direct connection with awakening of Kundalini and schizophrenia or becoming mad more generally.
Anyway I was mainly thinking that if there is some kind of elixir of immortality, it might be in the end very dangerous to pursue, but still one can make fun out of it. This was the background for the question, because Satyananda’s list had only lambs, but not single scapegoat or how it is?
HOWDY
September 8, 2012 at 6:23 pm #39828StevenModerator>>>Sorry but this idea of immortality is so outlandish
>>>that again became almost irritated with that.Lots of things are outlandish, but it doesn’t necessarily
mean that they are impossible either. Take physical
immortality for instance. Most of us would agree this
is impossible. But actually, just because all of the
billions of humans that have been born and died prior
to now all met their end, does not therefore imply that
some unique individual might not be born that is free
from the genetic flaw that leads to age-related failure
of the body. In that sense, unless you take action to
do yourself in, anyone alive now can not with 100%
mathematical certainty say that they will die.>>>But I was actually trying to consider what is the
>>>difference between those “imaginary friends” which
>>seemingly possess this poor girl mentioned above
>>>and for example Michael Winn’s and Wendy’s immortals.
>>>She (that girl) tells that beside these common
>>>(for schizophrenics) hallucinations these “friends”
>>>as well scratch and bite her etc. It’s also not so
>>>rare as they say in that program I have impression,
>>>but these kind of cases seem to be hidden in special
>>>kind of places (for example Camphill communities,
>>>which also Finland has several).This is a legitimate question.
If someone says that they experienced some supernatural
phenomenon or relates some kind of channeled information,
how do you know that this is indeed the case and
that the person is not simply delusional?This is not so easily answered.
I think the best approach is a moderate stance.
One should maintain a healthy dose of skepticism,
while at the same time keeping an open mind and not
dismissing it outright. As time goes on, relative
belief will either increase or decrease. If the
person exhibits delusional behavior, or in other ways,
exhibits a disconnection from our shared reality, then
credibility drops. If, on the other hand, the
person seems well-grounded and/or the revealed
“supernatural info” either seems to be consistent
with what is known or demonstrates an insight that
likely could not have been gained otherwise, then
the credibility goes up. These factors, one’s
personal experience, and one’s intuition all
combine to form an ever-evolving amount of belief
in one such claim or another. And ultimately,
that is about the best one can do.>>>Anyway I was mainly thinking that if there
>>>is some kind of elixir of immortality, it might be
>>>in the end very dangerous to pursue, but still one
>>>can make fun out of it.If you don’t even know if one exists, how can
you comment on how dangerous it may or may not be?
And, I contend, as in the first paragraph, you
don’t even really know if you are actually mortal to
begin with.Qi,
StevenSeptember 12, 2012 at 8:36 pm #39830baguaParticipantLots of things are outlandish, but it doesn’t necessarily
mean that they are impossible either. Take physical
immortality for instance. Most of us would agree this
is impossible. But actually, just because all of the
billions of humans that have been born and died prior
to now all met their end, does not therefore imply that
some unique individual might not be born that is free
from the genetic flaw that leads to age-related failure
of the body. In that sense, unless you take action to
do yourself in, anyone alive now can not with 100%
mathematical certainty say that they will die.**************
Why do you call this a genetic flaw? Isnt this just way of the human body. All things have birth, grow, decline and ending.Qi,
baguaSeptember 12, 2012 at 9:09 pm #39832StevenModerator>>>Isnt this just way of the human body.
>>>All things have birth, grow, decline and ending.You assume a lot.
This isn’t anything other than a belief either, an opinion.
Unless it constitutes a mathematical proof, you can not
legitimately say “all things”.If you examine 10 rooms, all of which are filled with oranges,
this does not mean that you can therefore conclude that
room #11 that you have not looked into is also filled with oranges.
It maybe be filled with apples; it may be empty.
You don’t know until you’ve experienced it.S
September 12, 2012 at 11:35 pm #39834baguaParticipantIts is based on observation. It is not assuming anything. I think it is a bigger assumption to assume its a defect and not just the natural way of life. The animal kingdom suffers the flaw too?
September 13, 2012 at 3:08 am #39836StevenModeratorFalse. You are making a HUGE logic error.
Observation of many cases does NOT imply truth of all cases.
Please reread my post to see exactly where you are incorrect.Moreover:
Neither you nor I has experienced death.
It has not transpired.You can not be certain about something that has not yet occurred.
What you have is a BELIEF, not a personal experience,
nor a deduced fact.S
September 13, 2012 at 10:49 am #39838frechtlingParticipantSteven-not to derail your mathematical philosophizing, but Bagua makes a good point that the natural Way is to live and die. You don’t see immortal plants and animals but a continuous cycle.
September 13, 2012 at 12:24 pm #39840baguaParticipantSometimes 1 plus 1 equals one plus 1. My conclusion is based on real life experiences, not mathematical models.
I dont think knowing exactly what happens tomorrow or the next day relates to what I am saying.
Maybe you will agree what I am saying is what we observe, what you are saying is not known or seen.
September 13, 2012 at 12:34 pm #39842user244075ParticipantHi,
Steven maybe if you elaborated on the method of obtaining physical immortality besides spiritual immortality others would understand better. There are very few examples if any of physical immortality to come to an understanding about. There are reports of people living to hundreds of years and a thousand or so but it would appear they aren’t around.
After having some examples or elaboration on a method to discuss it may bring up another question. If these are good examples, why did Lao Zi, Jesus, others not remain in physical form?
Regards.
September 13, 2012 at 2:00 pm #39844StevenModeratorThe point is that you are making assumptions.
Plausible assumptions or not, they are STILL assumptions.
You can not know what has not yet happened in relation to yourself,
when you yourself have not experienced such “stories”.
Ultimately, they are nothing more than fantasies . . .
plausible fantasies, yes, but fantasies still.This was the point to my original post to howdy, which
got sidetracked by this tangential discussion about
physical immortality.The point being that a lot is open to possibility,
there isn’t much you can take as a “given fact”,
that we generally live our lives based around some
assumptions, built on how plausible they are, not
on some absolute fact. It pays to have an open mind,
not be so decidedly certain about things that are
unknowable, given the present moment and one’s
personal experience.S
September 13, 2012 at 2:44 pm #39846baguaParticipantOk my friend. I will let you have the last word on it.
Qi,
baguaSeptember 13, 2012 at 2:45 pm #39848StevenModerator1. Plants and animals are hardly human–don’t have our level of consciousness–not an adequate comparison.
2. If you mention plants, it appears to me that the Californian redwoods are doing pretty well. Many of them are estimated over 1000 years old and don’t appear to
be dying anytime soon–except for the occasional storm or person with an axe taking one out.
3. Inability to see certain things, does not discount their existence.As mentioned in my recent response to bagua, there are plenty of things
that we take as assumptions in our everyday life, things that we expect to
be true, but there is no way of knowing with a 100% certainty that are
true.As things that–ultimately we CAN NOT know–is supplied with supporting
evidence (but not an absolute proof), our overall confidence level in
the belief goes up, until ultimately we believe in its truth (but it
is still *just* a belief).Much of what we take as “fact” is really just plausible belief that
we feel supported by external evidence.This goes back to original post by howdy about otherworldly immortals,
dragons, channelings, etc.If you want to dismiss such things automatically, out-of-hand,
simply because you have not experienced them, then dismissing your
own mortality is the natural consequence of this as you have
not experienced this either. That was the point to my “extremist example”.Since not much can truly be said WITH 100% certainty, I feel it
makes sense to keep an open mind, albeit skeptical, with regard
to new claims. As new evidence comes in, relative belief will
either increase or decrease, but one can never truly say that it is
either 100% or 0%.The universe is far too mysterious to ever say you know something for certain.
S
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