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November 17, 2005 at 12:48 pm #8427SheepyParticipant
Here is something I have been thinking about recently:
As you know, I have been using Mesosilver in a nebulizer which is a modern-day Taoist approach to ingesting arsenic–meaning you kill everything in your body with such a method. I draw the Mesosilver gas into my lungs via my mouth in an Omron compressor nebulizer.
It has been effective to the point that one day I hacked and coughed up a white “plaque” the size of 2 silver dollars that was the same shape as the surface of my lungs.
My right lung is almost completely opened now but I still have a ways to go and continue with the fun treatment. I still have some shit in it.
I put my mom on the same treatment using a lower-output ultrasonic nebulizer and while her results are slower due to the output of the nebulizer and the fact that she is not very aggressive in the deep-breathing department the effects are astounding. She has had serious lung problems for 10 years and the Mesosilver is cleaning it all out.
Keep in mind that if you attempt this you will have a week-long Herxheimer reaction as everything in your body dies and poisons you in the process. Small price to pay to be a champion.
Anyway, this post isn’t really about sucking Mesosilver via a nebulizer as a modern-day Taoist purification ritual.
It is about something else that has been on my mind…
Anyone who studies breathing learns that oxygen kills you. Russian and esoteric breathing protocols all talk about the problem of over-breathing. If you exhale more, you can last longer in sports. In sex, also.
But then why is it that hydrogen peroxide therapy works? The premise is that the body needs oxygen and there isn’t enough of it.
I drank hydrogen peroxide last night for the first time. Diluted in water, of course. 🙂 I am having thoughts about nebulizing it as well.
But how can oxygen on one hand be so bad for you and also so good for you?
My thought is that it is the hydrogen that is the healer and not the oxygen. Specifically H+ as opposed to the H- which got so popular in healing circles.
As you know there is a website on H- therapy from Russia but nobody has been able to duplicate the results of the experiment. I poisoned myself once attempting to do so. If you type “h longevity” into Google you will see the site listed but it no longer exists. I hope I can find his thesis somewhere so it doesn’t get lost.
Here is another related link from an amazing site that needs to be explored http://www.the7thfire.com/vibrational_healing/anti-aging_longevity/hydrogen+_key_to_longevity_and_wellness.html
November 17, 2005 at 2:09 pm #8428YodaParticipantI regretfully concede first place in the test pilot department…
As a general rule, if the poison is $5 or less, I’m in.
On the hydrogen peroxide–the kind that you buy in the drugstore I’m assuming. How much should I throw down the hatch? What happens next?
-Yoda
November 17, 2005 at 2:17 pm #8430YodaParticipantOkay, I looked at the price of Operation Silver and it ain’t bad. If Max and your Mom live to rave about it, I’ll do it. :o)
-Yoda
November 17, 2005 at 6:16 pm #8432PietroParticipantAlthough the story of the ‘a white “plaque” the size of 2 silver dollars’ is quite impressive, I am not sure it is such a good idea to kill every organism that’s inside yourself.
There are plenty of organism that coexist with you and are needed. In primal diet you even eat high meat exactly to regenerate the bacteria in your guts. Bacteria environment that is considered to be damaged, for example, when you take antibiotic. And, I think, when you get vaccination. One of the effect of this being that people end up being constantly tired.
So how does this treatment relate with the ‘good bacteria’ in your body?
Pietro
November 17, 2005 at 8:22 pm #8434SheepyParticipant“Good bacteria” will grow back naturally the moment you scarf down a slab of raw meat. If you are really concerned then put it back yourself by purchasing bacteria.
In the old days one had to ingest arsenic to accomplish this sort of thing. Today thanks to high technology we can master health easily, the problem is we cannot master our minds.
November 17, 2005 at 8:24 pm #8436SheepyParticipantGlad to have you on board soldier! Operation silver is a bottle of MesoSilver which isn’t cheap but is the only silver you can do this with.
The Omron nebulizer is <$50 if you google it. Don't buy it from the silver guy because he charges $70. So you figure for a little over $100 you can carry out this mission.
November 17, 2005 at 8:32 pm #8438SheepyParticipantThere are two articles on H2O2 that I will post links for tomorrow.
I am scared of 35% food grade peroxide because I have played with it before and it is very dangerous to handle.
I found a source of 3% food grade on the web.
Store-bought peroxide is 3% but contains toxic metals to stabilize it. I would stick with food grade but I have drank store bought and many swear by it.
See the articles I post tomorrow for dosages. YOU MUST DILUTE IT!!! Peroxide will cause damage if drank straight. You can even die. Nonetheless, known doctors have been endorsing it for years, even using it IV style or breathing it in.
Make sure you read the articles. One can have crazy reactions while everything dies in your body. I will attempt peroxide therapy within 2 weeks.
Glad you have joined the ranks of the hardcore! Let’s trailblaze–just be careful with the peroxide. High concentrations are like drinking Drano, although recorded serious internal injuries from over-ingestion have often healed. Still, quite a few cases have died. For example, if you drank a cup of 35% peroxide you would probably die in agonizing pain while you oxidized your guts.
I had a colonic once and the therapist dropped a cup of 35% into the colonic tank. I will never forget the discomfort!
November 17, 2005 at 9:09 pm #8440GriffinParticipant“I drank hydrogen peroxide last night for the first time. Diluted in water, of course. :)”
Never use drugstore 3% peroxide. It has stabilizers in it that aren’t meant for internal use. For internal use you need 35% food grade peroxide. Then dilute it to 6% with preferably distilled water, so the peroxide doesn’t react with minerals and other contaminants in the water.
“I am having thoughts about nebulizing it as well.”
Inhaling peroxide is a very bad idea. The hydrogen and oxygen in peroxide acts as a type of burning chemical reaction when it breaks down. So peroxide would be irritating to the lining of the lungs, or any mucus lining. Taking it orally or taking peroxide baths is the best way to absorb peroxide. Ozone is considered much safer because it doesn’t have the burning reaction.If you are interested in the the oral and bath protocols let me know and I’ll post them.
November 17, 2005 at 11:12 pm #8442SheepyParticipantThanks for the heads up about inhaling–guess I won’t try that one, although I have found some websites where people claim to do it!
Please post your protocols… 🙂
November 18, 2005 at 7:05 am #8444hagarParticipantPlato:
I must admire your courage and pioneering spirit, as I myself would never have the “guts” (pun intended) to try these things out. I remember overdoing it with herbs at one point, wasting precious time and money on stuff that had little or no effect in the long run. But I may only have lacked the proper knowledge at the time…
Anyway, in your approach to external alchemy I find it striking how similar your line of reasoning is to the alchemists of ancient China who in search of the “true lead” and “cinnabar” poisoned themselves in their quest for immortality. Is it pure health benifits you are after, or something more?
In texts like “understanding reality”, and “Inner Teachings of Taoism” the author warns against these practices, as they have nothing to do with cultivating the true medicine, and are looked at as sidetracks. In “The book of Balance and Harmony” there is a ranking of the “lesser” paths, where ingestion of minerals and poisons are among the obvious dangerous approaches, missing the point of true cultivation and a waste of time.
Whats your take on this?
November 18, 2005 at 9:00 am #8446SheepyParticipantThanks for your post!
It is true that external alchemy is a side-path, however external alchemy is not a sham. There are quite a few adepts who did not poison themselves with mercury–in fact quite the opposite! However, you can’t go crack open a thermometer and gulp it down, obviously…
I am not looking for immortality, but rather assistance in my cultivation. My right lung was blocked and this is a big problem when you want to cultivate. I mantra as much as I can, and one of the benefits of mantra is that solutions come to you. I got the idea for the mesosilver nebulization while reciting mantra and when I looked it up it actually existed!
So if someone thinks external alchemy is the true medicine they are wrong, but it is very useful medicine. 🙂
November 18, 2005 at 11:49 am #8448SheepyParticipantUpon further research (guided by the spirit of spyrelx) I have decided against taking peroxide via a nebulizer. I decided it may not be a smart thing event though some people are doing it, and just sticking to the mesosilver.
I tend to get a little greedy with my training, because I feel like my life is being stolen moment-by-moment and I thought I could speed it up.
Oh yeah, I am also trying to get the H+ concentrate from that website I posted. For oral ingestion–not nebulization!
-Plato
November 18, 2005 at 2:50 pm #8450mbanuParticipantBut how can oxygen on one hand be so bad for you and also so good for you?
The same way that a little fire keeps you warm but a lot of fire burns down your house. 😉 I suspect you’d benefit from an understanding of Traditional Chinese Medicine. 🙂
November 18, 2005 at 8:44 pm #8452GriffinParticipant__Oral Intake of 6% Peroxide – For Information Purposes Only__
This information is based on the directions in Flood Your Body With Oxygen by Ed McCabe. McCabe is arguably the most knowledgeable person on oxygen therapies.
Dont detox while pregnant or lactating.
Roughly 5.5 parts distilled water to one part 35% peroxide makes 6% peroxide. Dont store the peroxide in containers that have metal on them. Plastic and glass are best.
You want to work up to a dosage of 300-450 drops for 3 months for a deep cleanse. You dont necessarily need to go up to the higher levels. A man at one of McCabe’s lectures took 18 drops 3x day of 6% peroxide to cure himself of silicosis poisoning daily over a period of months (silicosis is considered incurable).
Add 1 more drop every 3rd day to increase dosages. This slow progression allows the body to adapt easier to the detox effects of peroxide and adapt to increased oxidation. A maintenance dosage is a total of 60 drops total per day. Dont go longer than 6 months at a stretch then drop down to the maintenance dosage and load up on colloidal minerals and vitamins.
Using a calendar to mark your progress helps you keep track of dosages.
Dont stop abruptly so that the toxins dont settle in a new place.
Eat an antioxidant rich diet of green leafy vegetables and supplement with Vit C, a maximum 6,000 per day, and a maximum of 800 IU of ALA per day. ALA does wonders at helping your liver detox toxins. Ester C is easier on your stomach so it may help you feel more comfortable as you detox. Increase supplement dosages as you increase peroxide intake. Take the antioxidant supplements with meals so you dont mix it with peroxide. Wait 2 hours after meals before taking peroxide or 30 minutes before eating. Eating smaller portions of meat or no meat will increase digestion speed and reduce the chance of peroxide interacting with your food and making you nauseous. If you are eating a usual american diet take psyllium fiber to increase transit time, absorb toxins in the colon, defecating is much quicker, and there is also a lot less to wipe. Dont take fiber with minerals and EFA (essential fatty acids). Drink at least half your body weight in oz of water per day. 100 lb person = 50 oz per day.
If you feel nauseous or have a headache these are detox reactions (assuming you arent taking it too close to meals) and its a good idea to reduce dosages 25%-50% to let your body adapt to the detox. At the higher dosages its common for your skin to look worse as toxins are excreted. When I went down to a maintenance dosage my skin absolutely glowed.
If you are very ill start off 3 drops 2x a day.
For healthy individuals start off at:
15 drops 2x a day = 30 drops TotalAs a general rule ingest up to 30 drops at a time throughout the day. The main guide in dosages is how you feel so you may need to divide it into more dosages of smaller amounts.
Example:
60 Drops total per day = 2 dosages of 30 drops a day.
90 Drops total per day = 3 dosages of 30 drops a day.
120 Drops total per day = 4 dosages of 30 drops a day.
150 Drops total per day = 5 dosages of 30 drops a day.175 Drops total per day = 5 dosages of 35 drops a day.
210 Drops total per day = 6 dosages of 35 drops a day.
240 Drops total per day = 6 dosages of 40 drops a day.
270 Drops total per day = 6 dosages of 45 drops a day.
300 Drops total per day = 6 dosages of 50 drops a day.
330 Drops total per day = 6 dosages of 55 drops a day.Increasing 1 drop every 3 day Example:
Day 01 – 15 drops 2x a day = 30 drops Total
Day 02 – 15 drops 2x a day = 30 drops Total
Day 03 – 16 drops 2x a day = 32 drops TotalDay 04 – 16 drops 2x a day = 32 drops Total
Day 05 – 16 drops 2x a day = 32 drops Total
Day 06 – 17 drops 2x a day = 34 drops TotalDay 07 – 17 drops 2x a day = 34 drops Total
Day 08 – 17 drops 2x a day = 34 drops Total
Day 09 – 18 drops 2x a day = 36 drops Total__Peroxide Bath__
Peroxide baths are recommended over oral intake of peroxide because it avoids a lot of the irritation and discomfort. But it costs more. You can buy 20oz of 35% peroxide for around $10 which will easily be enough for 5 full treatments, but the cost of taking a bath ranges from around $4-$5 per bath depending on the quantity you buy. You need to take baths also for months to get a good cleanse.Draw a hot bath so your skin turns pink, but not so hot that you get burned. The blood that flushes your skin will absorb the peroxide better. Add 16 oz of 35% food grade peroxide to the bath. Use dish gloves and eye protection when handling 35% peroxide. Stay in it 20-45 mins depending on how you tolerate it. 1 to 3 times a week or once a day if severely ill. You can easily go up to 32oz per bath if you tolerate it well. Mostly what happens when you take a bath is your body bubbles all over.
To treat AIDs patients Dr. Boyce had patients soak in baths with 1 gallon of 35% peroxide added for 45-60 mins daily. This combined with other oxygenating methods turned 118 people HIV negative. This is a VERY potent bath you are going to tingle and bubble.
November 18, 2005 at 8:59 pm #8454GriffinParticipantPurifying and strengthening the physical body eases the effects of increasing amounts of chi on the body as one progresses. A purer body means less chi sickness as you progress.
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