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Very nice interview, thanks for posting.

bagua

Have you ever ment Lao Tzu? I haven’t, and also haven’t met One Cloud, but do have the practice that was handed down.
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Lets focus on what we know and do not know from direct experience. THe honest answer is I do not know what One Cloud taught M. Chia, or if he did at all. I read many versions of Tai Teh CHing and have…[Read more]

I suggest to you and anybody else to do the following. Master Chia, he is my elder and he is the founder of the Healing Tao and I call him Master Chia. He is is a very accessable person and willing to meet and talk with anybody, why dont you email him and ask him directly. So many people just just listen to other people’s view on this and that, he…[Read more]

“I am merely backing up the alchemical viewpoint, since if I simply agreed with Bagua, then my own practice would no longer be valid.”
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I dont deny your alchemical method, I just dont agree with a rigid intepretation of it as some seem to have and are so willing to be critical of other presentations.

1. Whenever we present…[Read more]

Here is where you and I have problems, the organs were not assaigned “Virtues” until the Song Dynasty, a confucian influence, old Taoist do not beleive in this, so to imply the Nei Yeh is talking about that is just historically incorrect.

I dont want to go around and around. My view is alchemy is not rigid, it is flexible and not all the formulas are necessary for each person and there is no guarantee one does the formulas will obtain the stated goals, justs look at the many people who have taken the retreats. It has the possibilty of self-realization. There are numerous Taoist…[Read more]

That comment was related to your comments that Kan and Li has evolved, the method transmitted to Master Chia from One Cloud is Kan and Li, it doe not need additions, if one likes alternative ways of discussion thats fine, but to imply the other is not evolved is my bone of contention. It becomes my alchemny is better than yours.

Complete Realty School was founded by Wang, one of his goals was to unite Taoism, Buddhism and Confucism, this was a primarly purpose. He saw how they were the same, took one to the same place. He was not into sexual practices.

Interior Gods appears to be created or promoted by San Qing tradition and Lady Wei, but really Tong.

One Cloud,…[Read more]

I am having following up on someone els’s reference to this book, instead of letting these references go I decided to have a discussion on it, OK?

Maybe you can let us finish and start some other discussion if you prefer.

You may want to study Dragon Gate, Complete Realty school, when there founder died it split into North and Southern Schools.

Clary’s tradition of the golden flower is very good, read the back of it.

I prefer to just stay on the Nei Yeh and not mix other books, teachings.

bagua

Hi SO:

Thanks for your thoughts on this.

“This brings us back to the question of whether our individuated personalities dissolve in to “original oneness” after death or maintain a symbiosis that is the result of cultivating while in a physical form (fusing shen with jing).”
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To imply the the methods taught for that formula are outdated, not effetive and these newer presentations are more evolved in my view is not accurate. My experience is some people some people like a certain type of theory to support what they are doing, so some like this “evolved” presentation and other do not, they choose to go elsewhere.

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We have a very understandings of life.

Yuan by definition means original, our original nature is endless, is immortal, always has been and always will be.

We practice that death and life are one and not two, understanding this there is no birth and there is no death, there is just life. We are focusing on different things.

When you…[Read more]

Kan and Li is Kan and Li. People present steps differently, some like some presentations and some dont. The experience does not change.

You will find amongst many taoists this is true.

>>”the explanations that are given as to what is Yuan Shen, Soul, Hun, Po, Immortality are mostly peoples intrepretations, their attempt to explain things. You do not see Lao Zi talk in these terms, which I do think is very important… All we need to do is turn our attention to it or in taoist terms use your Yi to focus on this aspect of…[Read more]

There is no death of your true nature, so i dont exist within your model. It is my experience the formulas are taking someone who does not realize their true nature and provides many formulas or meditations to allow for that to occur, and provide a practice to retain it as one gives up past attachments to emotions, feelings, dreams and fantasies.…[Read more]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences.

It is my experience that sharing the truth in a gently and compassionate way is the most effective way to assist others. IMHO it is clear in taoist teachings we have everything we need now, we are complete now, there is no need to go anywhere to get what you need, you dont need to wait until…[Read more]

I am not saying one way works better, what I am suggesting is not to get caught up in a rigid view that formulas are better than other methods or they guarantee anything. Many people rush throught these retreats/workshops so fast its impossible for them to gain an experience. If you read enough literature on Tao you see these formulas refer to…[Read more]

Hi S. Dragon:

In my experience there is a difference between knowing the practices and system and actually living what the formulas say they accomplish. With maturity we learn to follow the wise advice of the state of Missouri, “The Show Me State”.

To be honest it does not matter what “level” others are on, there are no levels in spiritual…[Read more]