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Trump plan to label Mexico cartels as terror groups defies logic, experts say

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  • November 28, 2019 at 5:02 pm #59536
    c_howdy
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    David Agren in Mexico City

    Wed 27 Nov 2019 21.37 GMT

    Last modified on Wed 27 Nov 2019 22.01 GMT
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/27/trump-mexico-drug-cartels-terrorists

    Mexican drug cartel thugs have hanged bodies from bridges, set fire to crowded buildings and tossed hand grenades into crowds.

    But Donald Trump’s decision to designate the cartels as foreign terrorist organisations (FTOs) has been questioned by experts, who argue that the move’s main impact would be cosmetic – although it might provide a pretext for possible US military incursions.

    Tom Long, an international relations lecturer at the University of Warwick, argued that although organised crime groups often use terror tactics to impose control, they cannot be conflated with militants who seek political power.

    “Their primary motivation is not to achieve political change – it’s to make money,” said Long. “In order to make money, they corrupt and intimidate political actors and political institutions – but it’s a byproduct of their main objective.”

    Mexico has been convulsed by violence for more than a dozen years, sending the homicide rate soaring to record levels.

    Strategies to establish the rule of law have eluded three presidents since the then president, Felipe Calderón, declared war on drug cartels in December 2006. Attempts at decapitating the cartels by capturing or killing leaders – the so-called “kingpin strategy” – have only unleashed more violence as underlings fight over the spoils.

    US attempts at offering assistance have also fallen short.

    But after the murder of nine women and children from an isolated Mormon community – all of whom were US citizens – calls for action have escalated, along with the specific demand that drug cartels be designated as terrorist organisations.

    After Trump said on Tuesday that he would “absolutely” go ahead with the designation, Mexico’s foreign minister, Marcelo Ebrard, tweeted: “Mexico will not accept any action that signifies a violation of its national sovereignty. We will act firmly … Mutual respect is the base of cooperation.”

    The massacre attracted enormous attention to the binational Mormon communities living in a remote corner of the country, and members of the group were outspoken in their calls for Trump to designate the cartels as terrorist organisations.

    “If someone is murdering your family, anybody would accept help from wherever they can get it,” Julian LeBarón, an anticrime activist and relative of some of the victims, told the Guardian. “Once it comes down to life and death, I think the moral thing is to choose life.”

    There is no doubt that Mexico is in crisis – and that President Andrés Manuel López Obrador’s “hugs not bullets” policy has failed to rein in the violence. Over three disastrous weeks in October and November, gunmen from various crime factions massacred 13 policemen, slaughtered the Mormons and besieged an entire city to free the son of the Sinaloa cartel boss Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán.

    But analysts who study Mexican security express skepticism that the terrorism designation would do much good.

    The move makes it illegal to provide material support to designated groups – such as Colombia rebel armies, said Brian Phillips, a terrorism expert at the University of Essex.

    “But that doesn’t make sense for criminal groups, because they’re already seen as illegitimate groups,” he said. “It’s already illegal to buy cocaine from the Sinaloa cartel.”

    The kingpin strategy has caused the repeated and violent restructuring of Mexico’s criminal underground. Groups fracture and reform at a dizzying rate, re-establishing territorial control through violence and alliances – a scenario in which any individual terrorism designation would be ineffective and hard to apply.

    “Organised crime in Mexico is already tremendously fragmented and disparate, so it’s not clear that tools aimed at hierarchical organizations are going to be effective,” Long said.

    Trump’s comments reprise a familiar practice of pummelling Mexico for political purposes: the president launched his 2016 election campaign by describing Mexicans as rapists and robbers and once threatened to send US troops over the border to stop “bad hombres”.

    But one unintended consequence of the designation could come at that same frontier, where it could bolster the cases of asylum seekers fleeing cartel violence.

    US judges routinely reject asylum claims from those fleeing crime, however violent, but they have traditionally been more sympathetic to people fleeing terrorism, said Adam Isacson, an analyst with the Washington Office on Latin America.

    “It reinforces the argument that the group threatening you has national reach – and that the government was less likely to be able to protect you,” Isacson said, adding Trump’s move might end up undermining his own efforts to undercut the US asylum system.

    November 29, 2019 at 1:05 pm #59542
    c_howdy
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    By the end of 1997, Mr Litvinenko had been tasked with the conduct of a number of URPO operations that he regarded as unlawful. The first concerned a former FSB officer named Mikhail Trepashkin. Trepashkin was a critic of the FSB, as Mr Litvinenko was subsequently to become. In 1997 Trepashkin had recently resigned from his post and had brought proceedings against the FSB. Litvinenko and his URPO section were ordered to assault Trepashkin, and to take his bag and his FSB identity card away from him.

    -https://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/world/russia/litvinenko.htm-

    December 12, 2019 at 3:22 pm #59567
    c_howdy
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    Updated: Mar 23, 2013 02:28 IST

    Abhishek Sharan, Hindustan Times

    Want Kim Davy? Put him up in 5-star: Denmark

    Denmark says its ready to fast-track the extradition of Purulia arms drop case “mastermind” Kim Davy, provided India promises to lodge him in a five-star hotel during the period of trial, HT has learnt.

    https://www.hindustantimes.com/delhi/want-kim-davy-put-him-up-in-5-star-denmark/story-47hWFVqXtGjk86YkT6dLZK.html

    Denmark says its ready to fast-track the extradition of Purulia arms drop case “mastermind” Kim Davy, provided India promises to lodge him in a five-star hotel during the period of trial, HT has learnt.

    The extradition of Davy, alias Niels Holck, is a contentious issue that has strained bilateral ties. In July 2012, India scaled down diplomatic contact with the Denmark over stonewalling of extradition request.
    “Denmark specifically asked us if India can commit to lodging Davy in a five-star hotel when he gets extradited to face trial. We were shocked by the audacity of the query,” said a home ministry official on condition of anonymity.

    “We will tell Denmark… if Davy gets extradited to India, he will be lodged in a detention facility that would meet the benchmarks of a Danish jail.”

    A Dane, Davy is accused of orchestrating the air-drop of a huge cache of arms and ammunitions, including 300 AK-47s, anti-tank grenades and rocket-propelled grenade launchers, from an AN-26 aircraft that he owned on the night of December 17, 1995 in West Bengal’s Purulia district.

    Five days later, Davy slipped away even after the IAF scrambled jets to force land his AN-26 at the Mumbai airport. His six “accomplices” — five Latvians and British arms dealer Peter Bleach — were arrested. The arms, the 50-year-old later told a Danish court, were meant to fight the Left government that ruled the state at that time.

    Eight years after India sought his extradition, Davy, who is wanted in five more countries, resurfaced on April 9, 2010 and Denmark ordered his extradition but he challenged it. The Danish eastern high court on June 30, 2011 cancelled the order, saying he could be tortured in India.

    A year later, the Danish government rejected the CBI’s request to appeal the order. The issue, it now seems, may hit economic ties as well. “We may downgrade economic ties with Denmark. They can’t not extradite a terrorist on flimsy grounds,” said the official.

    A visiting Danish delegation recently asked India to file a fresh extradition request.

    -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purulia_arms_drop_case-

     

    December 13, 2019 at 9:09 am #59568
    c_howdy
    Participant

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59ZlKRzoHm0

    The Purulia arms drop happened on 17 December 1995 when unauthorised arms were dropped from an Antonov An-26 aircraft in Purulia district in the state of West Bengal in India. The chief accused “Kim Davy” (real name Niels Holck, alias Niels Christian Nielsen) claims that it was a conspiracy of the Congress Indian government together with RAW and MI5 to overthrow the communist government in West Bengal and he was given assurances from the central government about his safety and return to Denmark. He further alleges that MP Pappu Yadav, in association with the then Prime Minister of India P. V. Narasimha Rao facilitated his safe exit from India.

    -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purulia_arms_drop_case-

    December 13, 2019 at 7:31 pm #59569
    c_howdy
    Participant

    …the Iranian Embassy siege took place from 30 April to 5 May 1980…

    -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Embassy_siege-

    Stray Cats – Storm The Embassy

    Fifteen man taken captive in a hostile foreign land
    Scorchin’ sun beaming down onto miles and miles of sand
    A mideast country being ruled
    By a man who thinks it’s fun
    To hold our people in return
    For a sjah that’s on the run

    I think it’s funny
    Freedom takes money

    It’s a heartache and it’s hard luck
    Well that’s tough shit
    Man it’s no fun
    Storm the Iranian embassy
    Before they start shootin’ down you and me

    Scourge of suits in control
    Of the diplomaticness
    While the nations of the world
    Look on and they care less
    The Soviet Union won’t agree
    To an economic plan
    And then they laugh and march their troops into Afghanistan

    Orders from Moscow
    Invade Teheran now

    It’s a heartache and it’s hard luck
    Well that’s tough shit
    Man it’s no fun
    Storm the Iranian embassy
    Before they start shootin’ at you and me

    A nation worries and reads the papers
    Hoping that no-one has died
    Hearin’ rumours that the hostages
    Will soon be tried as spies
    Demonstrations on the street
    Saying that the end is near
    The man from New York Times on vacation
    Wants to know what happened here

    Agressive acts now
    We want the best now
    Fifteen moms crying
    Is my son dying?

    It’s a heartache and it’s hard luck
    Well that’s tough shit
    Man it’s no fun
    Storm the Iranian embassy
    Before they start shootin’ at you and me

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