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December 29, 2006 at 10:09 am #20042JernejParticipant
definition 1:
earth corresponds with indian summer
definiton 2:
earth corresponds with change of the seasonconclusion:
earth corresponds with soltices/equinoxes, and especially summer equinoxfire/water/wood/metal each have their season, fire/water/wood/metal being the polarities of earth, earth being(having) the balance of those elements
consequence:
this explains why Winn says that metal corresponds air and is not propagating the Yudelove/Bardon definition that air is the polarity of metal and wood.
this explains why Winn says that ‘chinese’ version is earth based (earth being the transition and balance of elements, elements being the imbalance of earth), while ‘western’ version is more mental (earth here being ‘just’ a phase and not the balance of other elements, and the balance of elements more subtle, ‘akashic’, hence mental)December 29, 2006 at 7:17 pm #20043StevenModeratorI’ve noticed that Michael Winn references air as corresponding to metal
in the home videos, but I don’t understand why.I don’t disagree with the idea; I just don’t understand the connection
December 29, 2006 at 8:24 pm #20045TrunkParticipantI like the air association better, just makes more sense, imho. I’ve seen a lot of people make up some pretty round-about explanations about why “metal”. I suspect that it has to do – at least partly – with the strong east asian warrior traditions, and their use of chi kung (including breathing exercises) for development of internal power, martial development. See some guy prep’ing with intense breathing, then breaking bricks while yelling out, and *yipes!*, “OK!, OK!, the lungs are metal”. 😀
December 30, 2006 at 2:56 am #20047Alexander AlexisParticipantHiya,
Here are some passages from Lonnie Jarrett’s book Nourishing Destiny, a Chinese medical text which brings the focus of acupuncture back to its center- daoist alchemy and its understanding that we all are born with a destiny to fulfill and that THAT is the primary aim of medical treatment.
Notice how metal, air, lungs, moisture, breathing, and the po spirits are woven together to get an understanding of the air/metal question. The implication is that the lungs pull in heavenly chi and extract what is valuable from it – the yang sunlight energy in the air – and that is the “metal” of air, the thing which is valuable. Alexander
p 259
The Nature of Dryness
A function of the lungs is to allow water which rises in the body to condense and to then descend in the same way that heaven creates clouds which create rain. Heavenly moisture in the lungs and large intestine forms the interface between our internal and external world. Moisture helps the lungs and large intestine draw quality into our being and discharge what has been metabolized and no longer serves. The direction associated with the metal element is the West, which in both China and the United States is where the deserts are found. Hence dryness is the environmental condition that affects the metal element. On a physical level, dryness may manifest in the lungs in association with respiratory ailments and in the large intestine as constipation. On a psychospiritual level, dryness ma embody a sense of loss and feelings of having been “burnt” by heaven, which has taken away what one has valued.
The Spirit of Metal: Po
The character “po” consists of the character “bai” on the left, meaning white, and “gui” on the right, signifying earthbound spirits. White is the color of metal, and the “po” is the “shen” associated with the lungs.
p 260
The function of the “po” is to contact what is of essential worth, receive it into (lungs), and retain it within (large intestine) while returning the “yin” mundane influences back to the earth from whence they came.
The “po” turns the nourishing “yang” (sunlight) of later heaven, which is contained in air and captured by all that grows, into the body. Upon death the “po” becomes fertilizer, returning to the earth in a way that empowers new growth.
December 30, 2006 at 6:29 am #20049JernejParticipantthere are two humane training systems:
atlantean/egyptian/indian/western hermetics (air/water/fire/earth plus akasha)
lemurian/chinese (wood/earth/fire/water/metal plus yuan)each such system is a culture in itself
and you can explore cross-systems you need to ground yourself in one and then explore the otherso if Michael says that air is metal that means he speaks from center of chinese system
(and if he said that air the balance of hun and po axis, then he would ground in egyptian system)and system/culture/correspondence is a body.
In practice that means difference between earth being a direction (a horizontal axis) and earth being central axis (a vertical axis).
December 30, 2006 at 8:07 pm #20051Michael WinnKeymaster>there are two humane training systems:
atlantean/egyptian/indian/western hermetics (air/water/fire/earth plus akasha)
lemurian/chinese (wood/earth/fire/water/metal plus yuan)This is not correct – yuan is NOT an element, the is the ground from which all the elements arise.
Earth is the center element, the fifth element that gradually integrates with more subtle forms of earth, called ether in the west.
It is not a political issue, the lemurian and atlantean systems evolved in relative isolation from each other.
Metal is confusing on which you take these names literally to be objects. These are phases of chi flow. In chinese it is literlaly GOLD, jin. Gold implies a refining process. Our lungs are refineries, they extract and condense out the rare elements and chi from the air and descend it to the kidneys.
It is the condensing power of metal that one experiences as chi condensing back into the earth, sinking down. Air is just it more ethereal octave – but air masses are heavy as well, hence the power of wind. It is about the atmosphere sinking chi down into the earth, where the metals conduct the chi underground/within the body. So metal becomes internal channels in the body that breathe and connec to the above air of the sky.
The western system talk about refining gold, but its harder to fiind in their system, or how to shfit ether into gold…..unless you also look at what happens with ether as it interacts with the material plane. It raises the vibration, goldne light may appear as a byproduct of the refining proess of descension.
michael
December 31, 2006 at 4:41 pm #20053StevenModeratorJanuary 3, 2007 at 12:40 pm #20055JernejParticipantyour statement is unopposed
yuan is as much an element as akasha
in hermetic trainning there is direct practice of accessing and working within akasha
in chinese that is not so
but with birth of immortal practice the yuan gains body(substance) then yuan can be worked directly also
in this it is in western system perspective called an elementif both systems have distinct yet nor fully connected collective center
and there are rumors of warring relationship
and there could hardly be in any time a higher reason for war than such a choice
and when being pressed for allignment with one or another center,
the allignment is a matter of strategy and politicsair has humidity also. the raising of the water. the lightness (lifting up, no weight) property that is concentrate on in bardon system. the reaching up of the earth, the water planet.
hence the raising and the falling property of air. the hun and po axis. -
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