Yudelove’s book Taoist Yoga and Sexual Energy

>>>>> I have been thinking few years that I could translate into Finnish Eric Steven Yudelove’s aforementioned book to which I am not myself completely satisfied, but which is anyway authorized by Mantak Chia (…Eric has created a true Taoist spiritual masterpiece. -foreword, MANTAK CHIA). Until now there has been only translation of “Taoist Ways to Transform Stress into Vitality” into Finnish, which has somehow very limited content. It’s simply not very representative. >>>>>

Hello What is it in the book you don´t like?

>>>>>>> I’m also aware of these later public intricacies of Yudeloves personal life, which have been dealt shortly in this forum.>>>>>>>

Yes it seems like he have had a lot of problem with himself, but I am not shore either how reliable the sources is, the newspaper article. An interesting question I have tried to lift up on this forum is wether his crisis is a sign of dangers with this practise. Michael Winn have prefered not to answer questions on this, for watever reasons. It´s realy up to hem to decide if this subject is worth talking about. Another question is if it is dangerous to mix so many high spiritual practises as Yudelove have been doing. Western and Jewich Kabbalah and Schamanism and Universal tao and more.

>>>>>>>So should one actually regard this book having some teachings which are not authentic from the point of Daoist tradition? >>>>>>

It seems to me that the most of the contents of the book is quite similar to what Mantak Chia is teaching. I am not aware of any content being non taoists, as far as I know. Of course it might be a litle bit suspect with having other sources for information about exercises, as Yudelove states. Contact with the immortals?

>>>>>>I dont’t like his book “The Tao & the Tree of Life”, because he is mixing Daoist practices with Kabbalah, Crowley, Thelema etc. because my long past friends during the teenage years, who were also interested about these and especially Lavey’s satanism, were seemingly actively experimenting with magic mushrooms and all kinds of controlled or simply illegal substances beside boozing. Finland had never such visible black metal movement like for example Norway, but I have seen enough of those guys who either are trying to learn to be evil or already are. >>>>>

I like the book “The Tao and the Tree of Life”, beacase it shows some important similarities betwean this different practises and beacase it is such a good description of the Universal tao practises, in a simple jet comprehensive way. I might be naive in this area but I have to tell you there is no satanism or black magick or other dark forces descibed in the book as far as I remember. But I am not so interested in satanism and the like, so I might not know enough to say if it is enogh to be suspisous of the book beacase of it taking up knowledge from this areas.

>>>>>>So for my perception there is no other deviations from Healing/Universal Tao
lineage than this replacing the bakuas (in Chia’s first Fusion book there’s four instead of six) with Yudelove’s “Star in the Circle.” >>>>>>>>

What do you meen by Yudeloves star in the Circle and with the last paragraph in general, is it possible for you to be more clear in this matter. I am a litle bit stupid. What I have heard M Winn didn´t want the extra chapters in Mantak´s Fusion book beacase it is realy higher practises from Kan and Li. And if I udnerstund it right it might be dificult of bad to go into this higher practises to early.

With regards

S D

>>>>>>>I chose my name for this forum from William Peter Blattys “The Exorcist”, because I have had admiration for this particular title as well as his “Legion” (in Finnish literally “the legion of devils”) and because I have thought that he might know something about spirits, entities or maybe demons which most of us don’t know. >>>>>>>>

Have you read the book “Dancing with the devil” Ashworth. It´s about demons entities and such things in connection to healing especially Reiki healing.

>>>>>>>>>I myself didn’t claim that that “Tao & the Tree of Life” has anything to do with any dark forces, but to say it again, that because I have also known persons who are occupied with very different kinds of yogic, ritual, spiritual etc. traditions, it really seems that this Thelema/Crowley association means very probable interest in drugs. So if the Hare Krishnas and Buddhists stereotypically give impression being in some funny way sentimental then these Crowley guys are very much interested about same things as Crowley himself was. >>>>>>>>>>

Ok. I just reacted upon why you didn´t like the book. In my wiew you should like/or dislike the book from it´s content and not from what you suspect a person writing it does, beacase of wich persons therories he mention. If you are right about conclusion of the author or not is irrelevant. It´s the book as such that is of interest. (But I might be wrong) Had a similar discussion with Nnnoth earlier on. He didn´t either want to read Yudelove, perhaps after what had happened to him.

>>>>>>>>>What comes to the element of danger within Daoist practice, I recall that in Eva Wong’s “Holding Yin, Embracing Yang” there are several references that one should keep one’s practice secret from spirits, because their interference would mean that one is under surveillance against which one is quite powerless. Also on the cover there is fierce dragon guarding the Elixir. >>>>>>>>

Interesting. I have the book but had not read all of it jet. It also claimes there you should not have sex with desire of it, or something like that, which I wonder a litle bit about how that might be possible. I have not much experience of spirits and entities expect one, that I am associating with my health problem. If you are interested I can tell you the story am interested to see if it is possible to find solutions to the health problem from that experience.

>>>>>>I think that Michael Winn commented Yudelove’s case that he was actually snatched by elementary beings. (Edward Bulwer-Lytton’s “dweller of the threshold”!?) >>>>>>

Ok, haven´t noticed that.

>>>>>I have myself interpreted the presence of the later chapters of the first Fusion book to be there for some practitioners, who might get experiences towards which it’s reasonable to have something to compare with. >>>>>>>

Yes that sounds like the way Mantak Chia might have been thinking, when he added those chapters. I don´t see it as a big problem beacase people are supposed to go courses and not just practise from books. But on the other side I myself often practgise just from the books. But on the other side if you get any results from that meditation you might be ready for it anyway. Just some thought about it.

SD

“””””I don’t have any experience with Reiki, but this David Ashworth’s book sound very interesting. I participated few years ago with my then girlfriend to some courses which were kept by one Russian bioenergist. I would have also liked to start experiment with hypnosis/animal magnetism with her, but she was not really right person. Was too afraid of everything. This Russian guy was in attractive way unusual. He was not himself really healer, because he said that one very easily depletes ones energy system, so he actually was only interested to teach people to heal themselves. He should have been with his skills one of the three Big Ones in Russia. He also used five elements, yin & yang, meridians and so on as a theory/cognitive system. “”””””

The DWD book is about problems you might get when dealing with energy and healing, so it isn´t only for those doing reiki. I met a russian bioenergetic who is cald Boris Aranovich when I was studying massage in Stockholm some years ago. It might be hem you are talking about. Much of the russians knowledge is from studys with aborigins from australia, even though this studies where kept secret in the former sovjet union.

“””””I personally regard Yudeloves TYASE very high, because of how he has arranged the material and of course the practices themself. “””””

Have you practised from the book yourself?

“””””I would have the possibility to major in East Asian Studies (Sinology)in University of Helsinki, but I haven’t had the time to start, so it might slip away completely in the academic sense.So I have no use for books like Tao & the Tree of Life because if I want to make serious study on some exotic and difficult language and culture, then it is first of all Chinese/Daoist and next one on the list would be al-Quran & Arabic instead of Kabbalah and Hebrew or any other Semitic. “””””

“””””Because we in the northern Europe don’t really have any tongs or Chinatowns there is not of course really possible to find any real Daoist exorcists or mediums. One interesting case is this famous Swedish scientist and seer Emanuel Swedenborg. You mentioned this idea presented in Eva Wong’s book that one should not have desire within Daoist sexual practices. She earlier still suggested that one could study Douglas Wile’s “Art of the Bedchamber” to learn about these, but she probably has Daoist mentors who have said that this is not right material. But Swedenborg is historically interesting person because he has written very much about marrige, but he himself remained bachelor. There is lecture serie by Rudolf Steiner called “Community life, Inner Development, Sexuality and the Spitual Teacher.” He supposedly knows because his clairvoyant insight about some special experiences what Swedenborg had. Steiner actually says that Swedenborg couldn’t make further development because he had always been a very pious man who suppressed his sexual instincts and feelings through his whole life. As a result he was attacked by “Mars beings”-aggressive entities who started to eat and mix his qi or what Steiner would call maybe etheric body, life emanations or something alike. “””””

I have started reading the art of the bedchamber but not in dept jet.
I read some material by Swedenborg some years ago but haven´t realy understood him or not remember so much.

S D