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November 24, 2009 at 11:36 am #32632Michael WinnKeymaster
note: more to chew on re: earlier discussions about global warming and whether man has caused it.
This all relates to whose will is more powerful: man or Nature”s?
michaelBEWARE THE ICE AGE COMETH: HACKERS PROVE GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM
It’s now official. Much of the hype about global warming is nothing but a complete scam.Thanks to hackers (or an insider) who broke into The University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU) and downloaded 156 megaybytes of data including extremely damaging emails, we now know that data supporting the global warming thesis was completely fabricated.
Inquiring minds are reading Hacked: Hadley CRU FOI2009 Files on The Reference Frame by Lubo Motl, a physicist from the Czech Republic.
The University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU), usually working together with the Hadley center (recall HadCRUT3 global temperatures), has been hacked.So far, the most interesting file I found in the “documents” directory is pdj_grant_since1990.xls (Google preview, click) which shows that since 1990, Phil Jones has collected staggering 13.7 million British pounds ($22.6 million) in grants.
Phil Jones, the main criminal according to this correspondence, has personally confirmed that the website was hacked and that the documents are authentic. See Briefing Room.
He says that he “can’t remember” what he meant by “hiding the decline.” Well, let me teach him some English. First, dictionaries say that hide means
1. to conceal from sight; prevent from being seen or discovered: Where did she hide her jewels?
2. to obstruct the view of; cover up: The sun was hidden by the clouds.
3. to conceal from knowledge or exposure; keep secret: to hide one’s feelings.
4. to conceal oneself; lie concealed: He hid in the closet.
5. British. a place of concealment for hunting or observing wildlife; hunting blind.
6. hide out, to go into or remain in hiding: After breaking out of jail, he hid out in a deserted farmhouse.
Here Are A Few Choice EmailsFrom: Phil Jones
To: ray bradley ,mann@virginia.edu, mhughes@ltrr.arizona.edu
Subject: Diagram for WMO Statement
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:31:15 +0000
Cc: k.briffa@uea.ac.uk,t.osborn@uea.ac.ukDear Ray, Mike and Malcolm,
Once Tim’s got a diagram here we’ll send that either later today or first thing tomorrow. I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline. Mike’s series got the annual land and marine values while the other two got April-Sept for NH land N of 20N. The latter two are real for 1999, while the estimate for 1999 for NH combined is +0.44C wrt 61-90. The Global estimate for 1999 with data through Oct is +0.35C cf. 0.57 for 1998. Thanks for the comments, Ray.Cheers
PhilProf. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk
NR4 7TJ
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From: Gary Funkhouser
To: k.briffa@uea.ac.uk
Subject: kyrgyzstan and siberian data
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 15:37:09 -0700Keith,
Thanks for your consideration. Once I get a draft of the central and southern siberian data and talk to Stepan and Eugene I’ll send it to you.
I really wish I could be more positive about the Kyrgyzstan material, but I swear I pulled every trick out of my sleeve trying to milk something out of that. It was pretty funny though – I told Malcolm what you said about my possibly being too Graybill-like in evaluating the response functions – he laughed and said that’s what he thought at first also. The data’s tempting but there’s too much variation even within stands. I don’t think it’d be productive to try and juggle the chronology statistics any more than I already have – they just are what they are (that does sound Graybillian). I think I’ll have to look for an option where I can let this little story go as it is.
Not having seen the sites I can only speculate, but I’d be optimistic if someone could get back there and spend more time collecting samples, particularly at the upper elevations.
Yeah, I doubt I’ll be over your way anytime soon. Too bad, I’d like to get together with you and Ed for a beer or two. Probably someday though.
Cheers, Gary
Gary Funkhouser
Lab. of Tree-Ring Research
The University of Arizona
Tucson, Arizona 85721 USA
phone: (520) 621-2946
fax: (520) 621-8229
e-mail: gary@ltrr.arizona.edu
================================================There is much more in that first link on The Reference Frame, including ways to download all the data yourself. Thanks Lubo!
Hadley CRU says leaked data is real
When this story broke, many assumed it was a fake. Nope.
Hadley CRU says leaked data is real
The director of Britain’s leading Climate Research Unit, Phil Jones, has told Investigate magazine’s TGIF Edition tonight that his organization has been hacked, and the data flying all over the internet appears to be genuine.In an exclusive interview, Jones told TGIF, “It was a hacker. We were aware of this about three or four days ago that someone had hacked into our system and taken and copied loads of data files and emails.”
“Have you alerted police?”
“Not yet. We were not aware of what had been taken.”
Jones says he was first tipped off to the security breach by colleagues at the website RealClimate.
Alert The Police?Yes, someone ought to alert the police and have Phil Jones and everyone else involved in this fraud arrested.
Market Ticker On The Scam
Carl Denninger was also commenting on the scam on Friday in “Global Warming” SCAM – Hack/Leak FLASH.
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Yes, I have the file. So do a few million other people.There’s enough evidence in there, in my opinion, of outrageously fraudulent conduct to make this the scandal of the 20th and 21st century.
Sorry folks, there’s no science here – this is, from what I see, a massive and outrageous fraud, and now that the documents have been confirmed as authentic, it is time to pull the curtain down on this crap and start locking up all of the proponents – starting with AL GORE.
Here are some interesting “meta statistics” on the documents, and the number of times the words referenced appear: Fraud: 79 Falsify: 6 Inflate: 14 Conceal: 5 Hide: 19 Just for starters.
If you think that’s bad, you might like this – from the file “ipcc-tar-master.rtf”:
47 out of 91 models listed in Chapter 9 assume that carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is increasing at the rate of 1% a year when the measured rate of increase, for the past 33 years, has been 0.4% a year. The assumption of false figures in models in order to boost future projections is fraudulent. What other figures are falsely exaggerated in the same way?
And then there’s this…
From: Phil Jones p.jones@uea.ac.uk
To: “Michael E. Mann” mann@meteo.psu.edu
Subject: IPCC & FOI
Date: Thu May 29 11:04:11 2008Mike,
Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4? Keith will do likewise. He’s not in at the moment – minor family crisis.
Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same? I don’t have his new email address.
We will be getting Caspar to do likewise.
I see that CA claim they discovered the 1945 problem in the Nature paper!!
Cheers
PhilRules Of The GameHere is an interesting snip on Rules of the Game posted in What’s Up With That?
I downloaded the zip file, unpacked it, browsed a bit. I opened a .pdf file entitled RulesOfTheGame.pdf. Very interesting document. Most compelling is that I broke open the metadata for this file. The file date stamp is Oct. 3, 2006, the metadata says it was created Oct 14, 2005 using QuarkExpress v.6.1 (released in 2004). All properties and metadata for this file definitely appear genuine to me.Interesting that this document describes methods of convincing the public of the crisis.
Excerpt:
a new way of thinking
Once weve eliminated the myths, there is room for some new ideas. These principles relate to some of the key ideas emerging from behaviour change modeling for sustainable development:
5. Climate change must be front of mind before persuasion works
Currently, telling the public to take notice of climate change is as successful as selling tampons to men. People dont realise (or remember) that climate change relates to them.6. Use both peripheral and central processing Attracting direct attention to an issue can change attitudes, but peripheral messages can be just as effective: a tabloid snapshot of Gwyneth Paltrow at a bus stop can help change attitudes to public transport.
7. Link climate change mitigation to positive desires/aspirations Traditional marketing associates products with the aspirations of their target audience. Linking climate change mitigation to home improvement, self-improvement, green spaces or national pride are all worth investigating.
8. Use transmitters and social learning People learn through social interaction, and some people are better teachers and trendsetters than others. Targeting these people will ensure that messages seem more trustworthy and are transmitted more effectively.
9. Beware the impacts of cognitive dissonance Confronting someone with the difference between their attitude and their actions on climate change will make them more likely to change their attitude than their actions.
How To Avoid Taxes On Grants
Mike Abbott (17:06:59):Heres a quote from one of the emails:
Also, it is important for us if you can transfer the ADVANCE money on the personal accounts which we gave you earlier and the sum for one occasion transfer (for example, during one day) will not be more than 10,000 USD. Only in this case we can avoid big taxes and use money for our work as much as possible.Reducing “Blips”
Ric Werme (19:43:43):This sounds like a get rid of the MWP, I hope its just a what if
speculation/exploration that might lead to research directions.tux:mail> cat 1254108338.txt
From: Tom Wigley
To: Phil Jones
Subject: 1940s
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 23:25:38 -0600
Cc: Ben SanterPhil,
Here are some speculations on correcting SSTs to partly explain the 1940s warming blip.
If you look at the attached plot you will see that the land also shows the 1940s blip (as Im sure you know).
So, if we could reduce the ocean blip by, say, 0.15 degC, then this would be significant for the global mean but wed still have to explain the land blip.
Ive chosen 0.15 here deliberately. This still leaves an ocean blip, and i think one needs to have some form of ocean blip to explain the land blip (via either some common forcing, or ocean forcing land, or vice versa, or all of these). When you look at other blips, the land blips are 1.5 to 2 times (roughly) the ocean blips higher sensitivity plus thermal inertia effects. My 0.15 adjustment leaves things
consistent with this, so you can see where I am coming from.I downloaded the document and found some interesting stuffWang Fabrications
From: “D.J. Keenan”
To: “Steve McIntyre”
Cc: “Phil Jones”
Subject: Wang fabrications
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:45:15 +0100
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I thought that I should summarize what has happened with the Wang case.
First, I concluded that the claims made about Chinese stations by Jones et al. [Nature, 1990] and Wang et al. [GRL, 1990] were very probably fabricated. (You very likely came to the same conclusion.)
Second, some investigation showed that Phil Jones was wholly blameless and that responsibility almost certainly lay with Wang.
Third, I contacted Wang, told him that I had caught him, and asked him to retract his fabricated claims. My e-mails were addressed to him only, and I told no one about them. In Wang’s reply, though, Jones, Karl, Zeng, etc. were Cc’d.
Fourth, I explained to Wang that I would publicly accuse him of fraud if he did not retract. Wang seemed to not take me seriously. So I drafted what would be the text of a formal accusation and sent it to him. Wang replied that if I wanted to make the accusation, that was up to me.
Fifth, I put a draft on my web site–
http://www.informath.org/apprise/a5620.htm
–and e-mailed a few people, asking if they had any recommendations for improvement.I intend to send the final version to Wang’s university, and to demand a formal investigation into fraud. I will also notify the media. Separately, I have had a preliminary discussion with the FBI–because Wang likely used government funds to commit his fraud; it seems that it might be possible to prosecute Wang under the same statute as was used in the Eric Poehlman case. The simplicity of the case makes this easier–no scientific knowledge is required to understand things.
I saw that you have now e-mailed Phil (Cc’d above), asking Phil to publish a retraction of Wang’s claims: http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1741#comment-115879
There could be a couple problems with that. One problem is that it would be difficult for Phil to publish anything without the agreement of Wang and the other co-authors (Nature would simply say “no”).Another problem is that your e-mail says that you presume Phil was “unaware of the incorrectness” of Wang’s work. I do not see how that could be true. Although the evidence that Phil was innocent in 1990 seems entirely conclusive, there is also the paper of Yan et al. [Advances in Atmospheric Sciences, 18: 309 (2001)], which is cited on my web page. Phil is a co-author of that paper.
Phil, this proves that you knew there were serious problems with Wang’s claims back in 2001; yet some of your work since then has continued to rely on those claims, most notably in the latest report from the IPCC. It would be nice to hear the explanation for this. Phil?
Kind wishes, DougThat is just an accusation but it looks pretty damning.
This whole thing with tree rings is pretty fascinating. There was a reference in the emails to this site: Ross McKitrick: Defects in key climate data are uncovered
Only by playing with data can scientists come up with the infamous hockey stick graph of global warmingBeginning in 2003, I worked with Stephen McIntyre to replicate a famous result in paleoclimatology known as the Hockey Stick graph. Developed by a U.S. climatologist named Michael Mann, it was a statistical compilation of tree ring data supposedly proving that air temperatures had been stable for 900 years, then soared off the charts in the 20th century. Prior to the publication of the Hockey Stick, scientists had held that the medieval-era was warmer than the present, making the scale of 20th century global warming seem relatively unimportant. The dramatic revision to this view occasioned by the Hockey Sticks publication made it the poster child of the global warming movement. It was featured prominently in a 2001 report of the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), as well as government websites and countless review reports.
Steve and I showed that the mathematics behind the Mann Hockey Stick were badly flawed, such that its shape was determined by suspect bristlecone tree ring data. Controversies quickly piled up: Two expert panels involving the U.S. National Academy of Sciences were asked to investigate, the U.S. Congress held a hearing, and the media followed the story around the world.
The expert reports upheld all of our criticisms of the Mann Hockey Stick, both of the mathematics and of its reliance on flawed bristlecone pine data. …
Thus the key ingredient in most of the studies that have been invoked to support the Hockey Stick, namely the Briffa Yamal series, depends on the influence of a woefully thin subsample of trees and the exclusion of readily-available data for the same area. Whatever is going on here, it is not science.
I have been probing the arguments for global warming for well over a decade. In collaboration with a lot of excellent coauthors I have consistently found that when the layers get peeled back, what lies at the core is either flawed, misleading or simply non-existent.
Ross McKitrick is a professor of environmental economics at the University of Guelph, and coauthor of Taken By Storm: The Troubled Science, Policy and Politics of Global Warming.That article is a fascinating read in and of itself, implicating U.S. climatologist Michael Mann.
By the way, I am questioning if this was really the work of hackers. It could just as easily be an inside job of some disgruntled worker deciding to expose the CRU.
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It’s a good thing Cap-And-Trade “Three-Card Monte” Dead For 2009.Now let’s kill it permanently. Global warming is a hoax. At least the data presented is a hoax. If there is a problem then the free market will find a solution. The idea that a bunch of politicians with an agenda can do anything about it is ludicrous.
The earth has gone through cooling and warming cycles for millions of years. Attempting to measure one small period and then thinking one can find the true cause of that change (assuming it even exists), goes beyond hubris.
It wouldlobal just be just as correct to say …
Beware The Ice Age Cometh
Because given enough time I am sure it will.
Mike “Mish” Shedlock
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.comNovember 24, 2009 at 10:30 pm #32633voiceParticipantI hope you can explain this to the glaciers and sea ice, as they seem to have totally bought into this global warming scam. If you tell them about this scam, they should see the error in their ways and stop retreating. The poor gullible glaciers….
Chris
November 26, 2009 at 1:33 pm #32635qtfaceParticipanthttp://photos.alaska.org/alaska-photos/Seward-Kenai-Fjords-Photos/kenai-fjords-maps/pedersen-glacier/Kayaking+In+Pedersen+Lagoon.jpg.html
See this picture from 2006 of Pederson glacier. You’ll the glacier different again. Temperatures stopped rising in 1998, sunspots are currently unusually few which will lead to a cooling trend with potential disaster for the world food supply. Open your mind, global warming data is tainted. Who would benefit from doing that?
Of course we need to stop burning fossil fuels, cutting down every tree & spoiling our water supply with toxins. We need to do this because we are killing ourselves, not because we need to “save the earth”. The earth can save herself, she’s done it before. Revisit all the old texts that talk about the earth “shaking us off her back” when we got too irritating to her.November 27, 2009 at 5:17 am #32637StevenModeratorHere’s a CNN video relating to the emails you refer to.
Personally, I think the emails change nothing, as it was
clear they were taken out of context. Climate models are
continuously tweaked over and over again to try to get the
results they show to more accurately model reality. We
don’t really know what “decline” they were talking about in
the email; it could easily have been a falsely modeled decline
they were trying to fix.Even if the people in the email were being deceptive (which
we don’t know), that doesn’t generalize to the thousands
of climate scientists around the world, anymore than finding a
qigong charlatan would invalidate the claims of the
whole qigong community, i.e. it’s a hasty generalization to
discount global warming on the basis of some out of context emails.S
November 27, 2009 at 1:12 pm #32639qtfaceParticipanthttp://earthchangesmedia.com/secure/3247.326/article-9162526846.php
This web site is a good source for information on global climate change. The emails hacked aren’t the first news about skanky data. Again I say, open your mind, read many sources on this issue. “Global Warming” has become a religion and those who are skeptical of the new religion are being condemned by true believers. The earth is not in danger from humans, we’re too busy killing ourselves. She’s far more powerful than us.November 27, 2009 at 2:07 pm #32641StevenModeratorI have read *many* sources, and even did a research project
on it at one point.IS THE PLANET WARMING?
The fact of the matter is YES.
Yes, there are some recent periods that show a slight decline,
but the overall long-term trend is up.Certain polar regions, such as Alaska, show a much more dramatic
change. So much so, that in some places talk of the planet
“not getting warmer” is likely to get you beat up by pissed-off locals,
as in just a few generations there’s been a destructive shift
in local climate.WHAT IS THE CAUSE?
1. The fact that we are still coming out of an ice age?
2. The fact that sunspot activity has been at an all-time high,
i.e. it’s caused by the sun?
3. The addition of extra greenhouse gases by man?THE ANSWER IS ALL OF THE ABOVE.
There isn’t just one source. There are several.
How about we stop debating the sources, and simply
take action to minimize any destructive impact that we have!By this I mean let’s not do things to encourage changes
to the global climate that make the planet less hospitable
to human life. It may be moving in that direction anyway,
but no sense throwing gasoline on the fire.I’m not worried about humans destroying the planet.
The planet is much tougher than its inhabitants.BUT I’m not interested in the planet becoming more
hospitable to jellyfish than the human race.Is this a selfish perspective? Yes.
Do I care? No.S
November 27, 2009 at 3:27 pm #32643qtfaceParticipantSunspot activity is not at an alltime high, it is currently extremely low & according to science predictions should be on an uspwing but isn’t.
November 27, 2009 at 4:15 pm #32645StevenModeratorYou are correct in saying that the number of sunspots
is at a minimum in 2009. In fact, I’m not sure we’ve
had any so far this year, but I could be wrong on that.What I was referring to was the overall long-term
running average of sunspots, which has been at a maximum
(speaking over a 2000 year period).Short-term fluctuations are relatively unimportant if
you want to talk about global climate change, because
locally too many factors like El Nino, La Nina, etc. confuse
the picture; it’s the long-term trend that counts.November 27, 2009 at 11:46 pm #32647DogParticipantI thought the way the cancer researchers (who raised the question of the efficacy of mammograms for women in there 40’s (let alone period)) where treated was very telling of how the system operates. It is all about subtle influence of education environment. I agree with Michael as to a very core issue or feeling being worked out. Just feel into the situation, listen and you will be guided. Science like almost everything else is playing the carrot and stick game. I personally do believe we have a great responsibility for the weather but it is not the power of our outer technology or co2 but our inner technology. What truly causes peaceful change, is it committees, laws, cap and trade, green credits? No it is our willingness to hold/shine spiritual light. The dark and light sides try to create unity because it is a act of denying the unity that already exists through us.
List below of other examples that paint a picture of the educational environment.
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200911/brownlee-h1n1
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/columnists_blogs/martinez/story/209552.html
November 28, 2009 at 11:27 am #32649qtfaceParticipantYes! The articles are very good. It’s the dogma of science, no different than the dogma of religion, all with true believers willing to “pound the pulpit” when integrity is questioned. All data regarding any subject has to be as clean as possible & be evaluated from muliple perspectives. Yes we do need to feel our way thru issues. And yes, we are working out much and our inner environment is far more important than our outer.
November 28, 2009 at 2:36 pm #32651StevenModeratorON BIG PHARMA:
Regarding your links:
Anything that comes out of or is influenced by
Big Pharma should be considered questionable in my
mind. It’s a big conglomerate whose goal is having
everyone medicated purely for the goal of profiteering
and power. Sickening. Every time I see a commercial
for prescription medicine you can get for THICKER
EYELASHES (which has possible side effects like stroke(!)),
I cringe.ANTI-GLOBAL WARMING NUTS:
Every time I encounter one of these nuts who
thinks the planet is NOT warming, I’m reminded of
the tobacco industry and how for decades they tried
to argue that smoking was not addictive and that
there’s “nothing to worry about”. Bullshit. It’s a
thinly disguised attempt at either trying to thwart
controls on profiteering that pollutes the planet,
or a defense against taking any responsibility
for reckless living and its effects on others.ON COMMITTEES, LAWS:
Were it not for a worldwide effort to get CFCs banned,
the ozone hole would not have recovered. That was
a success in my view. Of course there are conspiracy
nuts (aka Ayn Rand zombies) that think that was a hoax
also, but they can live in their candy land. They’re
basically another version of the tobacco industry;
people to not be taken seriously.It is true that working internally is key to producing
lasting change, but unfortunately getting the whole
planet to do so is a slow affair–much too slow to get
pressing changes made in the external world. We can
simply sit back from an anarchist view with rose-colored
glasses and expect everyone’s inner voice to wake up, but
that’s foolish idealism that doesn’t match reality.Steven
November 28, 2009 at 10:46 pm #32653DogParticipantHuge portions of the world are already praying for peace, I believe the warming is partly our responsibility but not the power of our outer technology so much as our compassion and love we have cultivated. Time for using fear to energize and motivate is waning. It is time for people to hear the story of their true power through love.
If people do not know there hearts laws and dogma will naturally arise. But we should be very careful with laws as most people are just tools. I think both sides, warming or not miss the boat on truly looking at how we can be a more adaptable society. But it is not about adaptability and harmonization is it. It is about old paradigms of fighting or denying change. “We need to fight global warming” “we need a war on drugs”
p.s. Big oil and energy is embracing the green movement. It is not like big tobacco at all. I am not saying we should do nothing(as in outer destiny), but if you are in the business of the great work(which you are), you understand that all the highly public movers and shakers like the Obamas get there support from those holding the spiritual light.
Any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it.
Henry David ThoreauWhen a dog runs at you, whistle for him.
Henry David ThoreauNovember 29, 2009 at 12:32 pm #32655DogParticipantI envision in the future the correctional system will be just that. It will be about helping people heal and reconnect with their inner nature. Nature already instilled us with feelings, and nature provides the response we need to the actions we take. We just need to help people listen and heal. Simple life with no lawyers, or judges. Most likely I will have to birth a book on the subject in the future.
November 29, 2009 at 2:14 pm #32657StevenModerator>>>I envision in the future the correctional system
>>>will be just that. It will be about helping people
>>>heal and reconnect with their inner nature.
>>>Nature already instilled us with feelings,
>>>and nature provides the response we need to
>>>the actions we take. We just need to help people
>>>listen and heal. Simple life with no lawyers, or
>>>judges. Most likely I will have to birth a book
>>>on the subject in the future.I’m all for it, but I think creating true correction
and healing for criminals is harder than you realize.
I’ve seen “in the prison” expose’ s,
such as “Lockup” on MSNBC,
and the criminals have some crazy ideas and live
in a completely different world from you and me.
They’re like little kids on a playground (mentally),
except they are dealing with adult themes
and have violent tendencies.Good luck with your program and not getting eaten alive! 😉
In fairness, by all means write your book. I’d be
happy to read it. I’m sure you’d have some insightful
interesting things to say.Best,
StevenNovember 29, 2009 at 3:40 pm #32659user244075ParticipantSeems like when global warming pops up on the forum there is a little more interest so I thought I would make a comment.
Is it possible the data was faked….sure. Which side of any coin doesn’t have an agenda and tweaks things to make it work. But forget that, the simple logic is there are more and more carbon/carbon dioxide emitting objects on the earth everyday. The earth is a finite size with a finite amount of atmosphere. More CO2 in the atmosphere equals a thermal blanket trapping in heat. (CO2 emitting objects – finite atmosphere = higher temperature.)
An example, China fifteen years ago never had smog (I was there then.), during the Olympics they told factories to shut down due to air pollution. How can that not at the very least start to have an affect on temperature?
Yes there may have been in the past an Ice Age or vice versa Heat Age, but at the very least modern society shouldn’t exasperate it. Let mother Earth balance herself out. Following is a quote from the movie the Matrix, to some it may appear antagonistic, but it makes a point. Yes..yes we are not literally a cancer but a natural part of nature but most of us do not try to keep a balance with it.
“Agent Smith: I’d like to share a revelation that I’ve had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you’re not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.”
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