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May 23, 2013 at 10:23 am #40703Michael WinnKeymaster
Note: I’m not claiming high scientific knowledge on global warming – just that I believe higher intelligences than man’s pollution alone are involved. Now NASA’s own study comes out showing that the greenhouse gas heating effect is actually a COOLING effect. Just tossing this into the cauldron. Eventually the truth will out.
-MichaelNew Discovery: NASA Study Proves Carbon Dioxide Cools Atmosphere
Written by H. Schreuder & J. O’Sullivan
A recent NASA report throws the space agency into conflict with its climatologists after new NASA measurements prove that carbon dioxide acts as a coolant in Earth’s atmosphere.
NASA’s Langley Research Center has collated data proving that greenhouse gases actually block up to 95 percent of harmful solar rays from reaching our planet, thus reducing the heating impact of the sun. The data was collected by Sounding of the Atmosphere using Broadband Emission Radiometry, (or SABER). SABER monitors infrared emissions from Earths upper atmosphere, in particular from carbon dioxide (CO2) and nitric oxide (NO), two substances thought to be playing a key role in the energy balance of air above our planets surface.
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NASA’s Langley Research Center instruments show that the thermosphere not only received a whopping 26 billion kilowatt hours of energy from the sun during a recent burst of solar activity, but that in the upper atmospheric carbon dioxide and nitrous oxide molecules sent as much as 95% of that radiation straight back out into space.
The shock revelation starkly contradicts the core proposition of the so-called greenhouse gas theory which claims that more CO2 means more warming for our planet. However, this compelling new NASA data disproves that notion and is a huge embarrassment for NASA’s chief climatologist, Dr James Hansen and his team over at NASA’s GISS.
Already, the International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has been in full retreat after having to concede a 17-year stall in global warming despite levels of atmopheric CO2 rising almost 40 percent in recent decades. The new SABER data now forms part of a real world double whammy against climatologists’ computer models that have always been programmed to show CO2 as a warming gas.
The SABER evidence also makes a mockery of the statement on the NASA GISS website (by Hansen underling Gavin Schmidt) claiming, “the greenhouse effect keeps the planet much warmer than it would be otherwise.” [1]
As NASA’s SABER team at Langley admits:
“This is a new frontier in the sun-Earth connection,” says associate principal investigator Martin Mlynczak, “and the data were collecting are unprecedented.”
Over at Principia Scientific International (PSI) greenhouse gas effect (GHE) critic, Alan Siddons is hailing the findings. Siddons and his colleagues have been winning support from hundreds of independent scientists for their GHE studies carried out over the last seven years. PSI has proved that the numbers fed into computer models by Hansen and others were based on a faulty interpretation of the laws of thermodynamics. PSI also recently uncovered long overlooked evidence from the American Meteorological Society (AMS) that shows it was widely known the GHE was discredited prior to 1951. [2]
Pointedly, a much-trumpeted new book released this month by Rupert Darwall claims to help expose the back story of how the junk GHE theory was conveniently resuscitated in the 1980’s by James Hansen and others to serve an environmental policy agenda at that time. [3]
As the SABER research report states:
A recent flurry of eruptions on the sun did more than spark pretty auroras around the poles. NASA-funded researchers say the solar storms of March 8th through 10th dumped enough energy in Earths upper atmosphere to power every residence in New York City for two years.
This was the biggest dose of heat weve received from a solar storm since 2005, says Martin Mlynczak of NASA Langley Research Center. It was a big event, and shows how solar activity can directly affect our planet.
As PSI’s own space scientists have confirmed, as solar energy penetrates deeper into our atmosphere, even more of its energy will end up being sent straight back out to space, thus preventing it heating up the surface of our earth. The NASA Langley Research Center report agrees with PSI by admitting:
Carbon dioxide and nitric oxide are natural thermostats, explains James Russell of Hampton University, SABERs principal investigator. When the upper atmosphere (or thermosphere) heats up, these molecules try as hard as they can to shed that heat back into space.
To those independent scientists and engineers at Principia Scientific International this is not news. The natural thermostat effect of CO2 has long been known by applied scientists and engineers how have exploited it’s remarkable properties in the manufacturer of refrigerators and air conditioning systems. The fledgling independent science body has repeatedly shown in it’s openly peer reviewed papers that atmospheric carbon dioxide does not cause global warming nor climate change.
Some diehard climate alarmists will still say that in the lower atmosphere the action of carbon dioxide is reversed, but there is no actual proof of this at all. PSI suggests it is time for the SABER team to have a word with James Hansen. Watch the full NASA video on Youtube.
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[1] Schmidt, G., ‘Taking the Measure of the Greenhouse Effect,’ (October, 2010), http://www.giss.nasa.gov (accessed online: March 26, 2013).
[2] Brooks, C.E.P. (1951). Geological and Historical Aspects of Climatic Change. In Compendium of Meteorology, edited by Thomas F. Malone, pp. 1004-18 (at 1016). Boston: American Meteorological Association. It shows the American Meteorological Society had refuted the concept of a GHE in 1951 in its Compendium of Meteorology. The AMS stated that the idea that CO2 could alter the climate was never widely accepted and was abandoned when it was found that all the long-wave radiation [that would be] absorbed by CO2 is [already] absorbed by water vapor.
[3] Darwall, R., ‘The Age of Global Warming: A History,’ (March, 2013), Quartet Books, London.
May 23, 2013 at 6:07 pm #40704StevenModeratorNOTE: This article was not written by NASA, but only by people
that misunderstood NASA’s study. Ultimately, this is SPIN.
Nothing in this study is new, the cooling effect described has been
known for years.Greenhouse gases block solar radiation from getting to the Earth, no question.
But it is the heat that does get through, that gets trapped by the CO2 acting as a shield. It is like putting a top on pot on a stove, the heat can’t get out.It is the same reason why a desert with clear sky gets COLD at night,
colder than a city with cloud cover; it is also the reason why Venus is hotter on average than Mercury, even though Mercury is closer to the sun.PUNCHLINE: The fact that more CO2 means that “more heat is blocked by the sun”
is irrelevant (because the heat that does get through . . .multiplies, and this dominates the heat “savings” by the external atmosphere blockage).S
May 24, 2013 at 1:01 am #40706russellnParticipantthen there are the scientists who say the science itself is unreliable (eg link below).
We don’t have to agree or disagree – just interesting to see, perhaps, the seeds of new science models being born. This guy says first thing is to consider we don’t know certain things which we are told have been established. For the cauldron.http://www.holoscience.com/wp/science-politics-and-global-warming/
May 24, 2013 at 3:34 am #40708StevenModeratorDidn’t STALKER2002 already debunk the Electric Universe model
several days ago? This article was written by the same guy
who does that model.Lots of people say lots of different things, but you also
have examine the credibility of the sources.S
May 24, 2013 at 5:08 am #40710russellnParticipantS,
No, I just disengaged from talk of particles in favour of WSM. I asked the author to comment and he said “quarks are imaginary and have attributes with no meaning, known as flavors: up, down, strange, charm, bottom, and top. This is simply to satisfy the mathematicians. The EU proposal is simply one of a repeated pattern from atomic orbital structure down to subatomic particle structure. Electrons must have structure to have ‘spin.’ Some leading physicists have admitted that the experimental discovery of electron structure would be a breakthrough of unimaginable importance. To say that Sansbury doesn’t know the standard particle model and then to parrot that model as fact merely exposes the pseudoskeptical prejudices of the writer. See http://physics101.org” I’m not looking to debate that with stalker2002; just pass it on.
I had a further exchange about ‘spin’ and his comment was “a sinusoidal wave is just a way of looking at orbital motion. Any theory of the electron must explain why it has mass. It must also explain what is physically waving. Otherwise it’s just math, not physics.” I think he is unaware of some recent writings on quantum waves which seem to address this. That is, quantum waves form structures.
The point of quoting his article was only to suggest that science (including applications like climate, weather etc) might be evolving very fast in ways that are different from current mainstream and academic circles.R
May 24, 2013 at 11:04 am #40712Michael WinnKeymasterNote: Steven Geisz is a Healing Tao instructor taking this system into the schools – and students are loving it, i.e. being more in their body, not just their head. Hopefully this will spread like wildfire within the broader academic system. Kudos to Steven for integrating Taoist philosophy with real world experience. – Michael
To see photos: http://www.ut.edu/Yin-and-Yang-in-Chinese-Yoga.aspx
May Term Students Find Yin and Yang in Chinese Yoga
Published: May 23, 2013Associate Professor Steven Geisz said there has been an increase in students interest in Asian philosophy at UT.
In two horizontal lines, about 25 students moved together almost simultaneously to the choreographed qigong exercises of Associate Professor Steven Geisz. It was like an early morning scene in a Beijing park, transported from China to the Plant Hall verandah.
This was experiential education at its definition.
In most other classes you sit for hours, said Katina Studzinski 13. This class youre out and moving around. The time flies by.
Studzinski enrolled in the May Term religion course, Chinese Yoga and Meditation, as a way to learn relaxation. She and the other students have spent the last two weeks immersed in Chinese history, learning a bit of the language and opening their minds to a different way of thought. The course takes parts of a worldview of Chinese Taoist philosophy and religion and brings them into practice with movement.
I have a lot of anxiety, this has helped me learn how to de-stress and breathe, said Studzinski, a criminology major from Naples, FL.
When Lauren Jenkins-Fazio 13 gets home after class, she said she feels completely relaxed and at peace.
Its helped me to be more mindful, said Jenkins-Fazio, an advertising and public relations major from Bethlehem, CT.
After a stressful senior year, Paul Collns 13 is finishing up a few credits before he finishes his international business degree in August. He said he thought the May Term course through the meditation practices would help give him some focus on his next steps after graduation.
The goal, Geisz said, is to experience what it feels like to embody these worldviews in traditional forms of health practice, and to see what difference it can make to their health, their outlooks on the world and their overall happiness.
Many believe this practice can make life transformative and happy, but that is hard to get from a textbook, said Geisz.
Geisz has spent many years studying classical Chinese philosophy, including a month of training in 2012 in qigong and Taoist meditation practices with other teachers with the help of multiple UT grants. Most recently, he spent the Spring 2013 semester on sabbatical in northern Thailand doing teacher-training in one form of qigong that is taught by Mantak Chia, who is recognized by scholars as teaching authentic Daoist/Taoist practices.
He said the course begins with a broad picture of classical Chinese philosophy: the idea that at the root of all reality there is something we can only refer to as the Tao, or “the Way.” He said they then look in detail at traditional Chinese cosmology and traditional Chinese medicine, both of which see the universe and our bodies as somehow composed of qi, or vital energy, that divides into the yin and yang energy represented by the famous yin and yang symbol, and then further into five phases or elements and then even further into all the varied phenomena of the world, Geisz said.
Moving out of the textbook, Geisz guides the students into putting the philosophy into practice with various traditional yoga forms and meditations that come out of Taoist traditions. While gentle and low-impact on the body, some students were surprised at how tired they felt after the second day of class.
These exercises are fun, and they are foundational for various martial arts and healing practices, Geisz said. There is evidence that they can be quite good for health, regardless of whether or not one accepts the framework behind them.
The course filled up almost immediately, perhaps a sign of the growing interest at UT in both the philosophy major, which Geisz said many students pursue as a second major that complements their other studies, and in the Asian studies minor.
Students really get interested in the various traditional body practices associated with Asian philosophy and religion that we read about in some of my other classes. In this Chinese Yoga and Meditation course, we get to focus on those practices and really learn them. It’s true experiential education, Geisz said.
And we do that while also reading critical, scholarly texts and talking about how these practices and the worldview behind them compares and contrasts with views of the body, health and the cosmos that come out of other traditions and out of contemporary scientific knowledge, he said. It’s a wonderful way to do comparative, global philosophy.
May 24, 2013 at 11:04 am #40714StevenModeratorOK.
Well, as far as climate, we have temperature data over the last
century that shows the overall temperature increasing. This isn’t
speculation, spin, or a theory. It’s a simple measurement, and
such measurements recorded as a data set over time.In the same way, since the industrial revolution, atmospheric CO2
has increased consistently–year-to-year.Now, of course, this is not necessarily causal. The changes in the
sun’s output could be creating a heating phenomenon, or natural
earth changes such as coming out of an ice age, could be causing
the heating as well.However, due to the sharp increase in C02 since the industrial
revolution, I personally find it hard to believe they are not
correlated or simply due to volcanic & other natural activity.Considering this, personally, I find
“man-made climate warming skeptics” to strain believability.Steven
May 24, 2013 at 11:07 am #40716StevenModeratorOK.
Well, as far as climate, we have temperature data over the last
century that shows the overall temperature increasing. This isn’t
speculation, spin, or a theory. It’s a simple measurement, and
such measurements recorded as a data set over time.In the same way, since the industrial revolution, atmospheric CO2
has increased consistently–year-to-year.Now, of course, this is not necessarily causal. The changes in the
sun’s output could be creating a heating phenomenon, or natural
earth changes such as coming out of an ice age, could be causing
the heating as well.However, due to the sharp increase in C02 since the industrial
revolution, I personally find it hard to believe they are not
correlated or simply due to volcanic & other natural activity.Considering this, personally, I find
“man-made climate warming skeptics” to strain believability.Steven
May 24, 2013 at 12:15 pm #40718ribosome777Participantcan’t let the banality destroy everything
as far as I know, a decision was clearly made to let warming happen by exactly what everyone thinks is causing it..
if you burn and burn and burn it creates a blanket
why? millions upon millions of years of plagues, death, freezing cold, migrations
the south node is DRACO
it’s a sludge route to warming
the problem is the mix of pollution and politics
most binary and triple+ star systems are, to my knowledge, much warmer..
while the heat may bother some, it will not kill in the same net way cold will..the problems are fungi and toxicity
NEPTHA
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