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April 24, 2014 at 12:31 pm #42322wtpParticipant
Helo,
I can now feel Chi moving through the orbit, but I am a bit confused. When I move Chi down the front channel depending on where I concentrate, I feel two separate channels, or perhaps my front channel is blocked a bit and it just feels that way. I feel energy flowing between the skin and breast bone all the way down, kind of shallow just beneath the skin. If I shift my concentration a bit, I can also feel energy flowing down just behind my breastbone, and continuing down just a bit deeper than the first mentioned “pathway.” Which is the true front channel? I want to get it right because I would like to try circulating charged sexual energy in not too long.
Thanks!April 25, 2014 at 4:58 pm #42323diogowatsonParticipantAre you using Mantak Chia’s method or Michael’s Wudang orbit? I suggest using the Wudang method because can open your orbit in a much deeper way. Especially the dragon orbit.
I would have caution in circulating charged sexual energy if you have blocks in the front channel. Especially around the breast area. that’s the heart. The energy can get trapped there or in the head.
April 28, 2014 at 1:40 am #42325wtpParticipantThank you for your reply. I use the wudang method as I feel it is more powerful based on how I feel afterwords. Also, because I trust Michael’s opinion. My question is not so much about formal practice. When I get a quiet moment in my day I often sit and concentrate on moving my chi up my spine and down the front channel in the microcosmic orbit. I can very easily feel the energy going up through my spine like a big straw sipping the energy up as Mantak states in his book, but I guess I am confused about how deep into the body the front channel goes. The wudang method has the pearl spinning into the core channel, unless I am misunderstanding. All the illustrations I have seen of the micro orbit, however, show the channels as more of a thin line that seems to go just under the skin. I guess I’m asking how deep towards the core channel does the front channel go and where does it end and the core channel begin? How deep into the body should I be feeling my chi as it flow down the front channel. I can make it go very shallow like in the illustrations or much deeper towards the core channel….which is preferable?
Thank you so much for your help and advise!April 28, 2014 at 12:09 pm #42327StevenModeratorDon’t get caught up on the pictures.
They are not meant to be taken literally.The front (Ren) and back (Du) channels are but 2 of the 8 extraordinary channels, which the central channel (Chong) is also a member. These are not thin little strands, nor are they “self-contained” like a blood vessel. They are deep rivers with no fixed boundary. Moreover, if you are doing the microcosmic orbit and you go so deep that it is involving the core channel, then so be it. All of the 8 extra channels are merely branches of the core channel anyway.
However, if you want to get a good sense of the polarity between the front and back channels, then the depth to which you penetrate on the front should match approximately the depth to which you penetrate on the back. You said you have a good sense of the feeling on the back channel, so just replicate the depth/extent symmetrically on the front. Then however deeply it penetrates, then that’s what it is.
Everyone will find an appropriate balance point on depth for themselves. If it is not very deep, then you are not really getting into the jing level nor deep into the channel. If too deep, then your concentration gets too disperse and unfocused . . . and for the microcosmic orbit, you begin to lose a sense of polarity between front and back. Ultimately this balance point will be what feels best to you, not some kind of rigid mathematical determination. These channels don’t have fixed boundaries anyway, so let go of your mental body’s need to control the process.
In short, just focus on how it feels, and what feels best to you.
Steven
April 29, 2014 at 2:54 am #42329wtpParticipantThanks so much for the help!
April 29, 2014 at 1:49 pm #42331ribosome777Participantthis is a very nice paper from 2008, but the 8 would have to be proven through the connection points (?)..
regardless, the connection is OBVIOUS, REAL, AND TESTABLE through the 12 cranial nerves..
the clearest way to get REAL results IMHO is to steam IMMEDIATELY while doing any sort of orbit, there is no reason not to…
this will open the “reservoir”..
it’s clear simple an no fussyou will get immediate feedback from the 12 channel network by simply reversing the foot fire head water, belly fire, chest water sorts of steaming…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1543,Vesalius%27Fabrica,VisualSystem,V1.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cranial_nerves
The Status and Future of Acupuncture Mechanism Research
Vitaly Napadow, Ph.D., Lic.Ac., Ph.D.,corresponding author1 Andrew Ahn, M.D., M.P.H.,2 John Longhurst, M.D., Ph.D.,3 Lixing Lao, Ph.D., C.M.D.(China),4 Elisabet Stener-Victorin, Ph.D.,5 Richard Harris, Ph.D.,6 and Helene M. Langevin, M.D.7http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3155097/
“Neural correlates reported in the literature include large peripheral nerves,1 neurovascular bundles,2 motor points,3 mechanoreceptors,4 free nerve endings,5 and neuromuscular attachments.1 The studies were performed predominantly in the 1970s and 1980s and were generally poor in quality. These studies lacked appropriate controls, had small sample sizes, and lacked detailed descriptions of acupoint localization. Overall, no macroscopic anatomical neural structure was clearly linked with acupuncture points.
The most recent anatomical association reported in the literature is the intermuscular/intramuscular loose connective tissue. According to recent studies, many acupuncture meridians and points align with intermuscular and intramuscular tissue.6 Additionally, the collagen within the loose connective tissue may account for the needle-grasp effect reported at acupuncture points.68 The biomechanical implications of this association are evolving, although the physiologic and clinical significance are yet unclear.
The analogy between trigger points and acupuncture points became widely discussed since Melzack et al.’s landmark study in 1977.9 There are a number of similarities between the two: the two structures have similar locations; needles are used at both points to treat pain; the pain associated with the local twitch response at trigger points is similar to the de qi sensation; and the referred pain generated by needling trigger points is similar to the purported propagated sensation along the meridians. However, the acupoints located at these trigger points are not frequently used by acupuncturists and do not share the same clinical indications as the trigger point therapy.10 Trigger points may represent a subset of acupuncture pointsspecifically, the ah shi points.
Nuclear tracers have been used to track the trajectory of acupuncture meridians in both humans and dogs. In most cases, 99mTc, in the form of sodium pertechnetate, was injected at low electrical resistance points to a superficial depth of 35 mm. The tracer migrated along the course of meridian at a rate of approximately 35 cm per minute.11 For areas where the tracer was injected at nearby controls, the migration was not observed.12 According to various experiments, this phenomenon is not directly attributable to veins or lymphatics although the interpretation of the results remains controversial.11
The electrical characteristics of acupuncture points and meridians are the most widely studied physiologic association in the literature. Acupuncture points have been reported to be local electrical resistance/impedance minima with diameters of approximately 14 mm. Acupuncture meridians have been reported to have lower electrical impedance and higher capacitance compared to adjacent controls. A systematic review of this literature suggests that there is insufficient evidence to support the electrical association, although these data are suggestive.13 Interestingly, a significant proportion of studies on the anatomical and physiologic nature of acupuncture structures have used low electrical resistance points as a surrogate for acupuncture points.”
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