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July 19, 2014 at 7:54 am #426404bsoluteParticipant
Dear Ones,
I want to understand why the stringing together of exercises in a certain sequence is important and how to do this.
In the morning I do Daoist Warmup Exercises, with some Kungfu elements to tone my musculature. After that I practice Primordial Qigong. After that I learn more about sensing all the subtle Chi elements (Fa Jin etc) and how to make good use of them, in a holistic manner.
Since I am teaching this all to myself and I am very confident doing this with my own intelligence, pace, respect, caution and responsibility, I am pretty much complete. But here and there I am satisfied with a little help, which I find just natural.
Therefor I ask this question. When should I integrate deeper practice (which I am still learning in basic stages) of such cultivation methods like Mantak Chia’s ‘Awaken Healing Light of the Tao’ or then lateron ‘Kan and Li’? I did not come across information from M.Chia that says when to practice what. Though’ I feel that there is a well advised rythm to it. What to do when.
I want to design a complete day of exercises. When do I integrate practices like Neigong and/or Kan Li: Before or after Primordial Qigong? Possibly what time of the day?
Kind regards,
David.July 21, 2014 at 11:28 pm #42641StevenModeratorUltimately when to put such meditations into the day reflects when it feels best for you. This changes from person to person, and often can change from day to day depending on your mood, how your energy is flowing, and what your time constraints are.
The big problem with being too rigid with a particular routine, is that if on a given day your energy is different, or you have a different mood, then the routine will feel forced and unnatural. Once you learn a set of practices, the best procedure is just to list what you wish to do on a given day (at least mentally), and then do them in the order that you feel called to do on any given day. Sometimes too much rigidity can also create boredom and resistance to doing practices.
Personally, I neither like to do alchemical meditations at the beginning of the day, nor at the end. In the beginning of the day, I don’t feel fully present and can zone out. At the end of the day, I may either feel too tired, or in the case when I am successful, it creates insomnia. However, again this is very personal. Some people like to do alchemy in the dead of night, or when they first wake up and they feel like they are already in a state that is half in the dream world and half out. In fact, it can be an interesting practice to do alchemy in a state of lucid dreaming!
Best option overall is to play, and see what works best for you. Ultimately finding a practice method that works best for you is the best one.
All of this can be similarly said for when it is right to add alchemical meditations to a practice set that you are already doing that does not contain them. Usually when you feel called to add them, that is the right time. When such passions arise, then add them. If you listen to your inner voice, it will tell you what you need.
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July 22, 2014 at 11:14 am #42643c_howdyParticipant1.So long as I have not attained the stage where my six faculties are pure, I will not venture out into the world.
2.So long as I have not realized the absolute, I will not acquire any special skills or arts (e.g. medicine, divination, calligraphy, etc.)
3.So long as I have not kept all the precepts purely, I will not participate in any lay donor’s Buddhist meetings.
4.So long as I have not attained wisdom (lit. hannya °ãÈô), I will not participate in worldly affairs unless it be to benefit others.
5.May any merit from my practice in the past, present and future be given not to me, but to all sentient beings so that they may attain supreme enlightenment.
-SAICH¨undine, also spelled Ondine, mythological figure of European tradition, a water nymph who becomes human when she falls in love with a man but is doomed to die if he is unfaithful to her. Derived from the Greek figures known as Nereids, attendants of the sea god Poseidon, Ondine was first mentioned in the writings of the Swiss author Paracelsus, who put forth his theory that there are spirits called ¡°undines¡± who inhabit the element of water. A version of the myth was adapted as the romance Undine by Baron Fouqu¨¦ in 1811, and librettos based on the romance were written by E.T.A. Hoffmann in 1816 and Albert Lortzing in 1845. Maurice Maeterlinck¡¯s play Pell¨¦as et M¨¦lisande (1892) was in part based on this myth, as was Ondine (1939), a drama by Jean Giraudoux. Compare gnome; sylph. The myth was also the basis of a ballet choreographed and performed by Margot Fonteyn.
The word is from the Latin unda, meaning ¡°wave¡± or ¡°water.¡±
-http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/614337/undineOndine’s curse, also called congenital central hypoventilation syndrome (CCHS) or primary alveolar hypoventilation, is a respiratory disorder that is fatal if untreated. People afflicted with Ondine’s curse classically suffer from respiratory arrest during sleep.
CCHS is congenital or developed due to severe neurological trauma to the brainstem. The diagnosis may be delayed because of variations in the severity of the manifestations or lack of awareness in the medical community, particularly in milder cases. There are also cases when the diagnosis is made in later life and middle age, although the symptoms are usually obvious in retrospect. Again, lack of awareness in the medical community may cause such a delay.
This is a very rare and serious form of central nervous system failure, involving an inborn failure of autonomic control of breathing. About 1 in 200,000 live born children have the condition. In 2006, there were only about 200 known cases worldwide. In all cases, episodes of apnea occur in sleep, but in a few patients, at the most severe end of the spectrum, apnea also occurs while awake.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ondine%27s_curseAt least if one has experienced involuntary dragon infestation one shouldn’t anymore complain or be dissatisfied if one cannot any longer sleep in normal way.
One should start to learn sleeping in various meditation positions.
But it also can be quite nasty situation for some.
Traditionally for example shavasana with it’s various variations have been used not for sleeping but for advanced practices when one is firmly shifting from pratyahara towards dharana.
But I personally think that pranayama (pranavidya refers to Taoist type of energy practices in Hindu context) type of advanced breathing techniques are needed to get some control of various bodily systems and to develop right kind of sensitivity.
HOWDY
July 24, 2014 at 10:16 pm #42645StevenModerator>>>At least if one has experienced involuntary dragon
>>>infestation one shouldn’t anymore complain
>>>or be dissatisfied if one cannot any
>>>longer sleep in normal way.Oh, howdy, you are hilarious.
I don’t have any dragon infestation.
Simply for me alchemy at nighttime is so energizing and rejuvenating that I lose all tiredness and interest for sleep. Thus if I need to go to bed at a certain hour so that I can be assured to wake up at a particular hour, it can throw off that rhythm.It’s simply an energy recharge, thus shifting forward the period of which I need sleep. Isolated from society, this is not a problem. When forced to conform to the schedules of others in society, it is.
Qi,
StevenJuly 29, 2014 at 2:53 am #42647c_howdyParticipantIf an enemy attacks, peace reigns in my soul, my breath is
concentrated, I am courageous and brave. When thoughts
and breath are in peace and steadiness, only then QI,
flourishing and powerful, is born. If an enemy attacks,
there should be no place for worry. The enemy, full of fury,
attacks; if six souls fly into a rage, then no readiness in
defense is available, it means spirit becomes weaker and
QI dissipates. The enemy is strong and I lose coolness of
spirit. Thats why if some fracas occurs somewhere, one
should be calm and imperturbable. If there is no great
need to kill, you retreat in a jiffy.
-JIN JIN ZHONG, Authentic Shaolin Heritage: Training Methods of 72 Arts of ShaolinIt is often important to separately follow perturbations in each of the different types of the material in the Universe. According to the standart cosmological model, the present Universe has five ingredients: dark energy, dark matter, baryons, photons and neutrinos. As structure formation develops, the different physical properties, of each material may lead to their perturbations behaving differently. The distribution of dark matter is the most important in governing where galaxies form in the Universe, as it provide the dominat gravitational attraction. The perturbations in the photons, at our position in the Universe, are the cosmic microwave background anisotrophies.
Finally, during it’s early stages the Universe may have undergone a period of cosmological inflation, during which it’s density would have been dominated by one or more scalar fields. Perturbations in those scalar fields, known as inflatory perturbations, are the leading candidate to be the origin of structure formation in the Universe.
-ANDREW LIDDLE & JON LOVEDAY, Oxford Companion to CosmologyYes but that dragon thing is a real level of initiation whichever way it’s conceptualized (72 levels/chakram?).
And one really should learn to rest also in other positions than reclining.
What comes to schedules of human beings one in the end should become the stalker.
Because it’s all about competition, and not about love, that is the healthy orientation.
HOWDY
August 3, 2014 at 1:50 am #42649ribosome777Participantwhich is destruction
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