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December 11, 2014 at 1:39 am #43377Fool TurtleParticipant
Non-binary Gender
How does one tell the difference between male and female?
Where would an intersex or genderqueer person fit into the binary? The Olympic Committee would love to know how to draw the line, biologically speaking, between the sexes. I don’t care much for labels and prefer just to spontaneously enjoy being myself, but there are several questions that I have that are more about application of theory in practice than establishing whether or not the HT acknowledges two-spirit people, for example. I relate deeply to the idea and connected ideas but have no idea how to do an astrology reading, as one small example, for anyone but M or F.
Just now, looking for a list to use as an example, I went to a site, Liberation Bound, and first thing read this, a quote I posted a while back and feel strongly about:
“If you have come here to help me, then you are wasting your time But if you have come because your liberation is bound up with mine, then let us work together.” Lila Watson
I need freedom, and I need to know how to not restrict freedom, because I struggle with what appear to be narrow applications of binary theories, and their effect on people’s lives, which have an effect on mine, which has an effect on theirs; my choices affect yours, which is such an unusual state of affairs, apparently, that much theological gymnastics have been performed to explain how that you are not, in fact, a shen more vital than my heart. If you live, with this universe, then all that has been lost was nothing; but without others to … Without having been water, mud, flowers, lightning, fire, ash, rocks, gems, gold, shit, (an early success rarely abandoned) and so on, what would I be? What did I look like before being born? Does it make sense that the closer to the passion that mysteriously drives me, even in absence of all surety about anything at all, to create… In specific ways, that just make sense. I don’t want to do one job while dreaming about another. So, I either quit dreaming or else quit that job. Of course, there are non-binary ways of looking at the issue.
What others have done to them is hurting a “shen” far more vital than my heart.
Ask a Non-Binary
AANB: dedicated to answering questions about nonbinary or genderqueer identities.[By]peppermint-prince:
[and]faerieli:These are all the gender neutral pronouns Ive managed to hunt down but I am ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN there are several missing. So hmu if you know of any others or if I conjugated these incorrectly c:
They/them/their/themself
tey/tem/ter/temself
ey/em/eir/emself
e/em/eir/emself
thon/thon/thons/thonself
fae/faer/faers/faerself
vae/vaer/vaers/vaerself
ae/aer/aers/aerself
ne/nym/nis/nymself
ne/nem/nir/nemself
xe/xem/xyr/xemself
xe/xim/xis/ximself
xie/xem/xyr/xemself
ze(or zie)/zir/zirs/zirself
zhe/zhir/zhirs/zhirself
ze/hir/hirs/hirself
sie/sier/siers/sierself
zed/zed/zeds/zedself
zed/zed/zeir/zedself
ce/cir/cirs/cirself
co/cos/cos/coself
ve/vis/vir/verself
jee/jem/jeir/jemself
lee/lim/lis/limself
kye/kyr/kyne/kyrself
per/per/pers/perself
hu/hum/hus/humself
bun/bun/buns/bunself
it/it/its/itselfIve also seen yo and fey pronouns but I have no idea how to conjugate them. And Im off to still hunt for more! If you know of any GN pronouns feel free to reblog and add unto the list and ill edit the original as well c:
OH MY GOSH!!
SO IMPORTANT!!More pronouns for everyone
December 11, 2014 at 1:56 am #43378Fool TurtleParticipantHere’s a List of 58 Gender Options for Facebook Users
Facebook introduced dozens of options for users to identify their gender today – and although the social media giant said it would not be releasing a comprehensive list, ABC News has found at least 58 so far.
Previously, users had to identify themselves as male or female. They were also given the option of not answering or keeping their gender private.
User’s can now select a “custom” gender option.
“There’s going to be a lot of people for whom this is going to mean nothing, but for the few it does impact, it means the world,” Facebook software engineer Brielle Harrison told the Associated Press. Harrison, who worked on the project, is in the process of gender transition, from male to female.
Facebook will also allow users to select between three pronouns: “him,” “her” or “their.”
The following are the 58 gender options identified by ABC News:
Agender
Androgyne
Androgynous
Bigender
Cis
Cisgender
Cis Female
Cis Male
Cis Man
Cis Woman
Cisgender Female
Cisgender Male
Cisgender Man
Cisgender Woman
Female to Male
FTM
Gender Fluid
Gender Nonconforming
Gender Questioning
Gender Variant
Genderqueer
Intersex
Male to Female
MTF
Neither
Neutrois
Non-binary
Other
Pangender
Trans
Trans*
Trans Female
Trans* Female
Trans Male
Trans* Male
Trans Man
Trans* Man
Trans Person
Trans* Person
Trans Woman
Trans* Woman
Transfeminine
Transgender
Transgender Female
Transgender Male
Transgender Man
Transgender Person
Transgender Woman
Transmasculine
Transsexual
Transsexual Female
Transsexual Male
Transsexual Man
Transsexual Person
Transsexual Woman
Two-SpiritDecember 11, 2014 at 3:57 am #43380StevenModerator>>>How does one tell the difference between male and female?
>>>Where would an intersex or genderqueer person fit
>>>into the binary? The Olympic Committee would love
>>>to know how to draw the line, biologically speaking,
>>>between the sexes. I don’t care much for labels
>>>and prefer just to spontaneously enjoy being myself,
>>>but there are several questions that I have that
>>>are more about application of theory in practice
>>>than establishing whether or not the HT acknowledges
>>>two-spirit people, for example. I relate deeply
>>>to the idea and connected ideas but have no idea
>>>how to do an astrology reading, as one small example,
>>>for anyone but M or F.It makes sense for such a distinction for sporting events, to try to level the playing field for contestants. Like or not, biologically men are typically superior in that arena, and it would be unfair to women if everyone were lumped into one group. With two groups, one could allow women to participate in men’s events if that’s what they wanted by their own individual free choice . . . but without the possibility of a converse, arguments could be made of unfairness.
That said:
M/F is not a 0%/100% all-or-nothing proposition.
We all have varying degrees of maleness or femaleness within.
In fact, if someone declares themselves 100% one-or-the-other “in spirit”, I would be personally inclined to believe such a person to be lying and not honest with who-they-are (although I would probably keep such judgments to myself). I would also consider someone who said that they were 50-50 to also be a true anomaly, possibly also similarly lying out of some self-idealistic pride of having some inner need to declare themselves “unique” in this fashion. Even the true 50-50 is–in all likelihood–50.1%/49.9% in one-or-the-other direction.Therefore, if someone felt 70% female and 30% male, then it would make sense to identify as “female” simply out of convenience.
BUT that does not mean that one needs to reject the other fraction or half. I personally fail to see how assigning a gender label to oneself limits one to be able to choose to do whatever one wants to do in life.
Perhaps that were true a hundred years ago (and longer)–when there were “assigned” gender roles–but that’s hardly true today. If a woman wants to participate in so-called masculine hobbies, she is free to do so. If a man wants to participate in so-called feminine hobbies, similarly he is free to do so.
If a woman liked the color blue, liked rugged outdoorsy things, violent sports, what-have-you, why does she need to be a man to engage in that? Similarly, if a man likes the color pink, likes knitting, playing with dolls, what-have-you, then why would he need to be a woman to engage in that?
The point is, whatever label “man” or “woman” you’ve identified with yourself, this in no way limits your ability to enjoy the aspects of the other gender aspect of you. Others may create judgments, but again–this is their issue, not yours. I don’t see the reason that outside validation by a label is terribly important.
For me, I’m biologically a man. I’ve always felt myself to be a man. I have never thought of myself as a woman, nor will I. Nonetheless, I have never felt limited into pursuing only male interests or feeling limited into only behaving as a man would. If there is something I do . . . an interest I have . . . or some personality/emotional aspect . . . that is labeled “feminine” by somebody, that is THEIR label, not mine. I don’t label what I do in that regard. That’s not to say that I haven’t had such “feminine labels” applied to me based on certain interests or emotional expressions I’ve given. However, I don’t feel the need to match their labeling criteria. I know who I am. Others don’t validate me. *I* validate me.
Maybe I’ve expounded too much, but I’ve always felt that people make much too much of a bigger deal of this gender issue than it actually is. For me, it is simple. Pick a label “male” or “female”, simply out of convenience and simplicity–preferably one that matches your biology to make routine issues like bathroom visits not a challenge. Then live your life as you wish regarding your interests and personality, without feeling limited by such labels. To me, it is no different than my name “Steven”. I use it out of convenience and for reference. I would not be harmed by a different label.
On your last note, if I were giving someone a Chinese Astrology reading, obviously their gender identification is important as the 10-year luck cycles flow in reverse for the opposite gender. So I would ask them which one they more closely identify with. If they could not answer, I would likely print out two charts: one for males with their birth data, and one for females with their birth data. Then when I read their 10-year luck cycle, I would ask them which reading felt more correct to them, and go with that one. There is no need to make things complicated. Things only get complicated when a person lives too much in their head, trapped by mental ideas.
As to your comment about “pronouns”, if one really feels the need to do a dance, the word “one” as a pronoun–while not commonly used in modern society–I feel works quite well. One, oneself, one’s, etc. Why create someone new, when we already have it?
Again, ignore anything that doesn’t resonate with you.
Ultimately my opinion is unimportant to your life personally.Qi,
StevenDecember 11, 2014 at 4:21 am #43382StevenModeratorHealing Tao model has each individual having an inner male and inner female. While this appears “binary”, it in no way defines the percent dominance of one over the other. It is a continuum, unique to each individual.
No need to see where you fit in; everyone fits in, regardless of their percentage mix.
S
December 11, 2014 at 11:59 pm #43384ribosome777Participantthis is why “neutral” is no answer, false answer, at all..
ie generally larger (or rounder) breasts/penis = greater capacitance/voltage, but all is pendant on circuit
sorry, nature tested for maximum polarity because yin holds yang by the same laws as magnetic repulsion
December 12, 2014 at 12:38 am #43386Fool TurtleParticipantAnd yet, no matter how far the space between opposites, they exist along a single pole. Would you like it cut into one, two, three, or “ten thousand” things?
Reminds me of an amusing story where society is restructured so that very masculine women are paired with very masculine menthe logic being that extremely feminine women were needed to help create more pronounced masculinity in otherwise effeminate-seeming men. A very masculine woman with a very feminine man, let’s say, would just not have that rigid and evenly polarized (to the maximum degree) balance that nature is expected to adhere to.
I think that yin and yang remind us that everything has a partner relative to it: No matter what, we can only be half of what potentially could be. If a mannot a woman. If a lesbian womannot a straight woman, a straight man, or a gay man. Ha…
[by the way, I find it curious that “straight” and “orthodox” mean essentially the same thing in their uses within these spheres. Heterodox documents were long ago purged from the Christian Bible, for example; despite reference to them even within the orthodox bible, they have largely been forgotten.]
Does the present moment exist or is it all just past and future?
December 12, 2014 at 1:02 am #43388Fool TurtleParticipantWell, that’s good to know, thanks.
As you know, I think, there’s no one book that just makes it all crystal clear. Agreement even among friends is perhaps slightly more so than not, but… The point is, different Taoist traditions have different views, surely, about sex, sexual orientation, and the nature of gender, among other topics.
Some refer to the patron saint of the Taoist Rabbit God, special protector of gay men.
Some refer to nature.
Some are “nonjudgemental” but cannot condone “lewd, immoral” behavior.
Others say that Bruce Frantzis says that anal sex (woman with strap-on is yin and therefore fine) destroys the energy body.
Apparently, one person thinks Mantak Chia is homophobic due to labeling men as “yang” and suggesting practices to balance and ground with yin earth energy.
I don’t know many things, and answers won’t help if it’s beyond my experience enough to effectively be a fantasy when considered. I’m not committed to the HT; I barely know her. I am interested enough to slowly find out what comes next.
December 12, 2014 at 2:44 am #43390StevenModerator>>>The point is, different Taoist traditions
>>>have different views, surely, about sex,
>>>sexual orientation, and the nature of gender,
>>>among other topics.Different traditions say different things.
Different traditions *within* the label of “Daoism” say different things.
Different PEOPLE within a given Daoist tradition say different things.
There is definitely a lot of variability.In my opinion, however, those that have anything other than a completely open view to these things, are really demonstrating a lack of the real understanding of the Tao and are demonstrating self-immaturity.
Without getting into a long debate about “who is right”, and arguing about opinions, the simplest answer is the best:
The Tao is meant to be simple.
Therefore, getting to the simple core:
Anything that is here, is a result of the Tao, and therefore natural by definition!
How could it be otherwise?
Moreover, this core fact needs no additional commentary by anyone.This comment re: “lewd, immoral behavior” is some kind of immature judgment about “what is”.
This comment “anal sex destroys the energy body” is somebody’s personal judgment–and if actually spoken by BK Frantzis say–comes from someone who likely has had no direct experience in anal sex on which to base that comment. More likely it is a naive understanding of sexual attraction on their part, and they are speaking on some faulty concept of yin-yang in some attempt to justify their immaturity.
If there is a mutual sexual attraction between two people, obviously the universe wants that, because otherwise it wouldn’t be there!
I don’t choose to speak about hearsay about Chia, as I don’t know his position personally and don’t choose to speculate.
I *DO* know from personal experience that there ARE some immature teachers in the HT system. This is unfortunate, but I don’t think it to be a flaw in the HT theory; instead, it is a flaw in their understanding of it (in my opinion) and a demonstration of their inferior maturity level. Just because someone is certified to teach something, does not mean that they have an enlightened view. Not saying that *I* have an enlightened view . . . but what I can say is this: there are others that I’ve encountered that definitely do NOT have an enlightened view on this topic.
Put simply:
What is “here” is a result of the Tao, and therefore natural and an intentional part of creation.Whoever a person is, the sooner they can accept themselves and accept that nothing in the creation of their life was a mistake of the Tao, the faster one can awaken to reality as a result.
>>>I’m not committed to the HT; I barely know her.
>>>I am interested enough to slowly find out what comes next.Based on various things you’ve communicated, I would recommend devoting your energy toward doing A) Inner Smile + B) Grounding Practices, esp. Standing meditation ala Iron Shirt 1. The former to help with the self-acceptance, and the latter to help you get out of your mind and develop a stronger sense of self.
In fact, I would recommend these to anybody.
These are premier practices that–in my opinion–I feel most everyone can’t get enough of.You’ll find additional other practices as time goes on, when it is either appropriate in your personal evolution or due to connecting live with a teacher you like (and subsequently taking courses they offer).
Best,
StevenDecember 12, 2014 at 3:02 am #43392StevenModerator>>>Reminds me of an amusing story where society is
>>>restructured so that very masculine women are
>>>paired with very masculine menthe logic being
>>>that extremely feminine women were needed to
>>>help create more pronounced masculinity in
>>>otherwise effeminate-seeming men. A very
>>>masculine woman with a very feminine man,
>>>let’s say, would just not have that rigid
>>>and evenly polarized (to the maximum degree)
>>>balance that nature is expected to adhere toUnfortunately there are a number of “fools” that actually believe such things, even in this system. Trying to naively filter sexual attraction into some kind of faulty yin-yang theory.
I totally agree with the concept of “inner male vs. inner female” percentages for gender issues. It’s been consistent with my experience in what I see with a variety of different folks. I don’t–however–agree that this has anything to do with pairing partners or sexual orientation.
There are some straight men that are very masculine and some who are very feminine (yet still straight). There are some gay men who are very masculine-behaving–perhaps much more so than the effeminate straight men–and some who are feminine-behaving. Same things could be said for women. Sexual orientation doesn’t have anything to do with the inner mix of inner male vs. inner female. It is a completely different issue entirely.
People who try to fit sexual attraction into a polarity model are off-base in my opinion, as the previous paragraph demonstrates why it is false. Unfortunately there are a lot of people that have this misunderstanding in my experience.
Qi,
StevenDecember 14, 2014 at 1:37 pm #43394Michael WinnKeymasterSteven addressed some of the issues in his reply, and used the model that I have been teaching for many years of each human being an experimental mix of male and female.
What he didn’t cover is the higher practices of Kan & Li, which are designed to recover/rebirth our androgynous nature in which the male/female sides are held in a single balanced vessel. For this to happen, an increase in Yuan Qi (lit. Original Breath), essentially neutral force, is needed to lubricate the process. As Ribosome pointed out, we cannot neutralize completely or we cease to exist.
I see male-female dynamics, whether internal or external, as being creative juice for evolution.
December 17, 2014 at 4:53 am #43396Fool TurtleParticipantAn example of what I’m trying to avoid and therefore am flirting with.
Please consider.
So, if I were
Words.
“I always lie and never tell the truth.”
If it’s true that I always lie, then I must always be being truthful when saying that I always lie (but, it’s not after someone hears what I say; or, I am perhaps just making my former life a lie to myself by being honest about lyingeven if I’ve learned or profited from my own or others’ truths before, as well as what confabulations veiled them). So, if I am ever (and therefore not always or never) truthful, then I cannot always lie, so it’s a true lie to say that I always lie, which isn’t (always, ever, or never) true, and to say that I never tell the truth, when I just falsely did.
Do absolute states exist?
If I truthfully told you that I always lie, how could it be true that I never spoke the truth?
I always lie
If I had always lied, before, then acknowledging that fact was my first true speech.
and never tell the truth.
Having just told the truth, this must be a lie.
I always lie
If I had always or ever been truthful, before, then portraying myself as a constant liar would be my first lie.
And never tell the truth
I never lie and always tell the truth
If it’s true that I never lie, then I must always be truthful. So,if I said that I always told the truth, would you believe me? How would we determine the claims to be true? Ending with either neutralization or enhancement of polarity, or, in other words, the center that is the center of all thingsall the spokes of the wheel; the outside and inside of the cup that is empty in order to be filledthe place of neutrality that seems simple the edges of perception, and all human thought.
Oblivion and Infinity.
I’m not trying to open this door, with this post. Once upon a time I confessed to a friend that I did not really believe that faith was possible for me. Later, I realized that I had developed a great deal of faith in my own ignorance. Forget about God or the Tao, isn’t it wonderful to be wrong, even when it hurts so deeply.
I don’t know why that the very old and the very young need so muchhuman contact and care; loveto live or die as well as they can.
I always lie and never tell the truth
That would then be the first time I spoke the truth (lets say, yin) and lied (yang) simultaneously (if you define a sentence or breath of words to be sufficiently simultaneous to be classified as “simultaneous.” Is that an example of neutrality or extreme polarization? Is it one, not-one, two, not-two, three, two plus two halves of each one of the original two? That came from the original one? Which was never one until it became immeasurably finite and simply infinite, *simultaneously.*
So, one or ten thousand? Center, non-existent yet conceptually foundational: Edge, endless mystery of possibilities and limitations that may be impossible yet all roads lead either to or from, depending on the vantage pointthe proximity to the bare honesty of saying, as I often acknowledge, “I don’t know.” And yet, if I really didn’t know anything, then what would I be relying upon to live (that moment to moment thing between after saying, “now,” and before saying it…
That is either/and-also my first truthful statement or else my first lie.
Schrödingers cat, Mullah Nasruddin, Toni Morrison, Ikkyu, and the paradoxical or concrete nature of being, with all that it entails. If you read that post. I can’t say that I’ve solved any riddles as much as that the possibility of solving a riddle before abandoning it as opposed to never becoming attached…
What I’m saying is that there’s a fine line between all things, but that line eludes the one-perspective-only seeker (+ or – without multiplication, division, etc.)
If you want to get somewhere, you might think that going halfway would be a good start. And then, (halfway there already!) you go halfway again. Pretty soon you see the end in sight, so close, and go halfway to it. You can smell it, the fragrance of Egypt’s finest lotuses. Halfway again, and halfway again, you wander in the desert beneath the view of the microscope.
Meanwhile, the one that could love you in a way that the stars intended, and beyond any will of nature herself, but within her, and therefore within her will, gentle as her boundaries may or may not be… The one you longed for without imagining how it would be, how lovely or how hard it may be to love and to bury: be loved and buried… You come close, you see your beloved across the dance floor. Your eyes meet. You take a step halfway to them. They step halfway to you. You step halfway again. Now you each trudge forever, forever, until the moment that one gives the other half of the distance between them, and one gives the other half of the distance between them, *simultaneously*.
They each had a half. All that they had to do was join as one and come together.
You can never get anywhere unless anywhere gets to you.
Here are some “charged” breasts. You won’t see them in nature, but you will on the internet, which is part of nature, or is it?
Excessive tit-fantasies at mastasia.comDecember 17, 2014 at 5:59 am #43398StevenModeratorAHH . . . getting mired in logical propositions.
Good thing I’m an MS, ABD PhD in Math and can decipher logical propositions. 🙂
—————————>>>I always lie and never tell the truth.
This is simply a 100% false statement, independent of the speaker.
As you say, the only way it could be true, would be if spoken by an “always-liar”, but an “always liar” couldn’t do that.Thus is simply 100% false, independent of the speaker.
It’s opposite, spoken by anyone, is 100% true: “I sometimes lie or sometimes tell the truth.”
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>>>I never lie and always tell the truth
It could be true, it could be false . . . it is dependent on the speaker.
Someone who is 100% honest, could say this, and it would be true.
Someone who is not 100% honest, could say this, and it would be false.—————————–
But what is really going to burst your bubble is not the solution to the above logic puzzles . . . what is, however, is this:
Not everything is a proposition
This means: Not every sequence of words strung together can be assigned a T/F value.
Here’s an example: “This sentence is false.”
This is a sentence that is well-stated, but can be neither true nor false.
Not being able to assign a truth value, does not mean it is neutral.
It just means the question of its T/F nature is meaningless.———————————-
Even if something is a proposition, that in no way indicates whether it is useful to spend time thinking about.
An example of a proposition I like to give in this genre is this:
“If I learn to fly and learn to breathe in outer space, should I fly to Saturn?”It’s a question that describes a scenario, but it is hardly a useful bit of time to spend trapped in one’s mind thinking about the answers to such hypothetical questions. There are infinitely many hypothetical questions, infinitely many of which are entirely useless in living one’s life.
Believe me, with a lifetime of mathematics and pursuing realms of math that are 1000 times beyond most people’s reach, I can honestly say that while it can be a fun mental diversion, the truth can not be found through advanced thinking.
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Too much time spent living in the mind.
Not enough time spent living in the heart. 😉Smiles,
StevenDecember 17, 2014 at 8:53 am #43400RichieRichParticipantHere’s an example: “This sentence is false.”
(Echoes of) the Liar Paradox, me thinks.
December 17, 2014 at 9:48 am #43402Fool TurtleParticipantSteven: AHH . . . getting mired in logical propositions.
Cale: An example of what I’m trying to avoid and therefore am flirting with.
Please consider.
So, if I were
Words.
Good thing I’m an MS, ABD PhD in Math and can decipher logical propositions. 🙂
Seriously, I respect that.
I was gracefully released from trigonometry and physics by my high school teachers in those subjects. There are logical propositions that I cannot decipher, and many of them are quite simplebut their application to the waking world and affairs of the heart alike are often deeply complicated, because an experience should be safe and valuable if it is to be sold, however cheaply. How can I be of use as a feng shui consultant, say, if I can’t determine even whether a house faces SE or S because a few degrees even is a level of precision difficult to obtain with compass and eye. And that’s just one of many questions that all rely upon what, I hope, is simply ignorance of the theoretical model underpinning the Dao Arts. Basically, all of my questions have to do with making the mysterious pull some weight, instead of me pulling it.
Björk: “It’s not supposed to be a struggle. You’re trying too hard.”
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If,
spoken by anyone, “I sometimes lie or sometimes tell the truth” is 100% true..Then,
how can someone, as you put it, be 100% honest in order to honestly say, “I never lie and always tell the truth.”“All people sometimes lie” can’t allow that they never lie, can it?
I see your tricks, here. Fool me once, shame on you….
😉
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Steven: But what is really going to burst your bubble is not the solution to the above logic puzzles . . . what is, however, is this:
Not everything is a proposition
Can every person be assigned a M/F value? See, what I’m saying is, how would you do it?
Here’s an example: “This person is a bisexual woman in an effeminate man’s body.”
This is a sentence that is well-stated, but can it be neither true nor false?
Not being able to assign a gender value does not mean “it” is neutral.
It just means the question of its M/F nature is meaningless.Or is it?
Lets say that woman born a man wants to store energy in the belly ocean and asks an HT instructor which direction/count sequence whether for M or Fthat she should use. She may or may not be offended if you explain to her that she was born male, and therefore should use that gender-specific practice. I know that it has happened with other traditions.
If the direction/count is meaningless, then why have it? If it’s meaningful, then why do it “wrong” when you could meaningfully benefit from correct instruction. If correct instruction is not available, how do you find an answer? If you have no answer, then why not teach that?
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Even if something is a proposition, that in no way indicates whether it is useful to spend time thinking about.
Oh gods, if you knew of my long battle with feng shui…
An example of a proposition I like to give in this genre is this:
“If the Healing Tao can save my immortal souls then how much are they worth? Is it worth stealing for? Surely Robin Hood would approve. I know Ikkyu stole money from a rich man’s funeral to feed the poor with… Is this basically the same thing? Is a cosmology that approves of the use of hope and fear better, worse, or not worth comparing to a cosmology that embraces losing either hope, fear, or hope and fear both? Is there really something to the classic human preoccupation with afterlife prep? On and on.”…There are infinitely many hypothetical questions, infinitely many of which are entirely useless in living one’s life.
Yes, the question is about how much I need to study “knowledge” in order to live simply, but with entertainment and a commitment to a few relationshipswithout horribly fucking up, and I’ll pray to Jesus and Kwan Yin if it lessens the impact of my idiocy on people that I care about.. I’m not going to say that I haven’t spent lots of time trying out foolish ideas.
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Too much time spent living in the mind.
Not enough time spent living in the heart. 😉Separately beating heart cells put together will harmonize.
Like that,
Beautiful, the Wood, Loyal, Dog of God, Powerful in Battle
Son of the Beloved of God
*I didn’t choose these names. They were given to me.
December 17, 2014 at 2:53 pm #43404StevenModeratorIt’s similar, but even more directly shows the nature of sentences that are not propositions. Saying something is a lie usually implies some kind of conditional, namely that there is an implied deception. However the word “false” gives the predicate truth value transparently.
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