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June 29, 2016 at 1:56 am #46744Michael WinnKeymaster
note: I posted this below, but think it might freshen up the conversation to start it at the top again..:). Ribosome’s original post is at the end of this post.
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Thanks, Ribo, for your half-vote of confidence in my work.
I appreciate and respect your attempt at creating your own cosmology crafted from Tim Leary, Islam and techno-intellectual esoteric biology. Ultimately, everyone with any level of spiritual will creates their own cosmology. There’s no right or wrong here, despite your “authoritative” declarations to the “wrongness” of the cosmology I’ve evolved over decades of deep study, and more importantly, EXPERIENCE.
The problem I have with your cosmology based on an “overself” mediating between God and physical human is that it IS simply far too human-centric. Humanity is way too insignificant in the grand scheme of things…who is creating all the rest of the stuff of cosmos, since humans are only .0000000000000000000000099% of it?
That’s where oversoul theory comes in – the creator gods and goddesses of every culture, now renamed. And that is where the dark side originates, to answer your question – the dark side is co-creating this cosmos along with the light side.
This is of course not merely “my” theory. You seem to favor yogic theory – what do you think “para-atman” is? Hindu for “over-soul”.
I’m not sure how you figure my inner alchemy system is a “psychology” system – that is merely one small sliver of a cosmology based on well defined evolution of Qi from source to body and back again.
RIBO-tzu:
It’s obvious to me that you’ve never encountered an actual immortal, i.e. a human being that is operating in higher dimensions. So your definition of “self” (or its corollary “pseudo-self”) is bound up in the illusion of the pre-dominance of physical human existence as being more “natural” than other dimensions.
Your definition of “nature” is way too limited to be of much esoteric use, and contradicts the majority of esoteric traditions.
RIBO-tzu:
>In another example, there is NO AMORPHOUS Overself. The nearest tier is a higher gear of the local person. THERE IS A DEFINITIVE SINGULAR PERSONALITY THAT IS REINCARNATING. All of this multi-organ theory is eventually complete off point.>This is all bare-faced assertion on Ribo’s part, based on what?
If you need concrete evidence of multi-organ theory, read Paul Pearsall’s The Heart’s Code. A surgeon who has done dozens of heart transplants, reporting on the transfer of personality that clearly occurs along with the heart.Lao Tzu never mentions re-incarnation…are we to take Ribo-tzu as a higher authority?
All of Ribo’s “pre-cognitive” experiences I’m certain are real. And easily explained by Oversoul theory…the soul can get information about imminnent timelines from the creators of those timelines, the oversouls. Human-centric Ribo-tzu is still caught up in the illusion of linear time-flow, the past-present-future illusion unique to the physical plane. Does his notion of God live in that slow flow of change?
Again, the limitations of his human-centric cosmology confine the imagination and defy a plausible explanation of a functioning multi-dimensional realty, including explanations of suffering and a dysfunctional humanity. As above, so below.
Ribo-tzu:
I do not know that the children listed in these replies ever had access to any of that and that may be one of the best arguments FOR yogic practices in an evolutionary context.THEY DID NOT, IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, CHOOSE TO DIE.>
Of course the children’s personalities did not choose to die. Their souls chose it, as the body-mind is created by the soul. And the souls take orders from their oversouls, who are orchestrating things.
Steven’s Sy’s theory of randomness is standard materialistic science, and not believable – that humanity arose as a “random event” from a bunch of amino acids landing in a primordial ocean, hitchhiking on a meteor? (Steven was also mistaken in his description of One Cloud formula’s not getting beyond xin/heart-mind until Star Alchemy. All three levels of Kan and Li are soul work, far beyond the working of biological heart-mind). But a minor forgiveable error…:).
The notion that nobody would choose to die is particularly silly, IMHO. EVERYONE CHOOSES TO DIE, that is how and when a human life ends. Souls choose moments when their destiny is over. They occur at all kinds of times and places.
A random world is a meaningless world. I don’t buy it. Tao is about becoming captain of one’s destiny, the high level being immortality. The low level is fractured personality recycling.
I am sure that whoever get’s Ribo-tzu’s fragments in some new soul’s next life will have a wild time plugging it into whatever level of techno-reality humanity has evolved into, probably by then we’ll be ready for him.
Blessings on your Creative and Loving Way,
MichaelORIGINAL POST:
From: ribosome777
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Date/Time 2016-06-05 22:18:34
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1) How is one to lose fear of the REAL dark side?2) In conjunction with this, how is one to know what a “Reflective” reality generation system is?
Michael Winn is right about a lot and put a life time of work into something which is IMMENSELY important.
He is also WRONG about a lot.
In example, I am well aware of the “pre-natal” consciousness flow and a real role of the golden elixir practices in contacting that, BUT
constant artificial techniques will DEFINITIVELY result in suppression of the autonomic nervous system which defeats the entire purpose.
Michael Winn has attempted to turn a real “Ida-Pingala” based system into a psychology which is a disaster.
It is an INCONTROVERTIBLE path to a psuedo-self and that proof lies in the contradiction of natural living systems which it was supposed to attune to…
That does not mean that all that work is a waste or that he is wrong about everything.
In another example, there is NO AMORPHOUS Overself. The nearest tier is a higher gear of the local person. THERE IS A DEFINITIVE SINGULAR PERSONALITY THAT IS REINCARNATING. All of this multi-organ theory is eventually complete off point. That is NOT the reincarnating overself.
I do not know about all others, but I DO KNOW THAT I HAD PRECOGNITION OF SERIOUS EVENTS in my own life long before they ever occurred and choice still had to be made. They were warnings.
I do not know that the children listed in these replies ever had access to any of that and that may be one of the best arguments FOR yogic practices in an evolutionary context.
THEY DID NOT, IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, CHOOSE TO DIE.
June 29, 2016 at 7:39 am #46745ViktorParticipantHi Michael,
When can we expect a book from you? Can’t wait to read about your experiences and or instructions in a more systematic and readable way.June 29, 2016 at 9:16 am #46747ribosome777Participantreposted: HARD QUESTIONS
“I dont ever look back and think, God, I wish Id had that baby….
Even if there is a God, I highly doubt he wants everybody to go through with their pregnancies.”~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Those who make the choice to use abortion as a contraceptive “should be applauded for making a smart and sustainable decision”….
What with 7.3 billion people on the planet!
(according to the new Playboy published essay…)She may even profess 3, with something like 1 in 3 women participating before the “smart” age of 45!
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http://www.playboy.com/articles/my-choice-chelsea-handler
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/important-chelsea-handler-opened-having-120931037.html
Chelsea Handler Says God Supports Abortion in Playboy Essay
June 29, 2016 at 2:19 pm #46749qtfaceParticipantribosome777: Please be concerned with the contents of your own uterus and not the contents of mine, thank you very much.
June 29, 2016 at 5:39 pm #46751RichieRichParticipantI’m massively looking forward to Michael’s book(s) on Primordial, but suspect they will emerge in their own good time!!! As Michael wrote in 2014
I’ve been talking about my forthcoming book on Primordial Qigong/Tai Chi for several years! It has now become two books, there was too much deep information on Tao Cosmology and new insights into how apply it to daily life. Amazing testimonials from all around the world. This meant I had to rewrite Book 1, soon ready to be released.
June 29, 2016 at 6:57 pm #46753ribosome777ParticipantYOU DID NOT CREATE YOUR UTERUS.
Maybe “the life force” or DNA did if you do not accept a law of “God”.
I guess you are one of the “everything is just perfect” people,
until it comes down to brass of life…
when things are actually real.Your one post, the simple fact that you would put that amounts to devaluation to worthlessness.
That’s real.
Your reply is the definition of everything that is wrong with psuedo flakes to begin with.
The point is that “Mike” performs tautological rationalization.
You on the other hand, are just a bitch.
Have you ever had a child without the chromosomes of a father?
BITE MY ASS.
July 2, 2016 at 4:53 pm #46755c_howdyParticipant…the next step was carried out in a film studio-I learned to talk and think backward on all levels-
-WILLIAM S. BURROUGHS, The Soft MachineUn ange furieux fond du ciel comme un aigle,
Du mécréant saisit à plein poing les cheveux,
Et dit, le secouant : ” Tu connaîtras la règle !
(Car je suis ton bon Ange, entends-tu ?) Je le veux !
Et l’Ange, châtiant autant, ma foi ! qu’il aime,
De ses poings de géant torture l’anathème ;
Mais le damné répond toujours : ” Je ne veux pas !”
-CHARLES BAUDELAIRE, Le RebelleUnd stiftete er Klöster und schriebe über die Thür:
der Weg zum Heiligen”, ich spräche doch: wozu!
es ist eine neue Narrheit!
Er stiftete sich selber ein Zucht- und Flucht]
wohl bekomm’sl Aber ich glaube nicht daran.
In der Einsamkeit wächst, was Einer in sie bringt,
auch das innere Vieh. Solchergestalt widerrath sich
Vielen die Einsamkeit.
Gab es Schmutzigeres bisher auf Erden als WüstenHeilige?
Uni die herum war nicht nur der I 1 los, sondern auch das Schwein.
-FRIEDRICH NIETZSCHE, Also Sprach Zarathustra… your own cosmology crafted from Tim Leary, Islam and…
Actually I think also that one cannot too seriously regard Burroughs being some kind of immortal, but in his narratives reincarnation is actually very important element.
…I’ve evolved over decades of deep study, and more importantly, EXPERIENCE…
In my opinion Castanedian recapitulation is the most important practice to start with, because how ever mild withdrawal it offers; it’s the only way to learn to systemically reflect on one’s own experiences.
Aspect also of Burrough’s methods.
Sorry for my broken English.
HOWDY
July 2, 2016 at 5:24 pm #46757c_howdyParticipantUnd stiftete er Klöster und schriebe über die Thür:
der Weg zum Heiligen”, ich spräche doch: wozu!
es ist eine neue Narrheit!
Er stiftete sich selber ein Zucht- und Fluchthaus:
wohl bekomm’sl Aber ich glaube nicht daran.
In der Einsamkeit wächst, was Einer in sie bringt,
auch das innere Vieh. Solchergestalt widerrath sich
Vielen die Einsamkeit.
Gab es Schmutzigeres bisher auf Erden als WüstenHeilige?
Uni die herum war nicht nur der Teufel los, sondern auch das Schwein.
-FRIEDRICH NIETZSCHE, Also Sprach ZarathustraA furious Angel swoops down like an eagle,
Grabs a fistful of the infidel’s hair,
And shaking him says: “You shall know the rule!
(For I am your good angel, do you hear?) You shall!
The Angel who gives punishment equal to his love
Beats the anathema with his giant fists;
But the damned one still answers: I shall not!”
William Aggeler, The Flowers of Evil (Fresno, CA: Academy Library Guild, 1954)Falling abruptly like a bird of prey from the sky,
A furious angel seizes the sinner by his hair
And says, “I will teach you to behave, do you hear me? I
Am your good spirit!” And shakes him angrily in the air.
And pounding upon his victim with his colossal fists
In love and in fury, the angel cannot cease to implore
Nor the accursèd one to answer: “I will not!”
George Dillon, Flowers of Evil (NY: Harper and Brothers, 1936)July 2, 2016 at 5:41 pm #46759c_howdyParticipanthttp://medicalxpress.com/news/2016-06-cannabinoids-plaque-forming-alzheimer-proteins-brain.html
June 29, 2016
Salk Institute scientists have found preliminary evidence that tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and other compounds found in marijuana can promote the cellular removal of amyloid beta, a toxic protein associated with Alzheimer’s disease.
While these exploratory studies were conducted in neurons grown in the laboratory, they may offer insight into the role of inflammation in Alzheimer’s disease and could provide clues to developing novel therapeutics for the disorder.
“Although other studies have offered evidence that cannabinoids might be neuroprotective against the symptoms of Alzheimer’s, we believe our study is the first to demonstrate that cannabinoids affect both inflammation and amyloid beta accumulation in nerve cells,” says Salk Professor David Schubert, the senior author of the paper.
Alzheimer’s disease is a progressive brain disorder that leads to memory loss and can seriously impair a person’s ability to carry out daily tasks. It affects more than five million Americans according to the National Institutes of Health, and is a leading cause of death. It is also the most common cause of dementia and its incidence is expected to triple during the next 50 years.
It has long been known that amyloid beta accumulates within the nerve cells of the aging brain well before the appearance of Alzheimer’s disease symptoms and plaques. Amyloid beta is a major component of the plaque deposits that are a hallmark of the disease. But the precise role of amyloid beta and the plaques it forms in the disease process remains unclear.
In a manuscript published in June 2016’s Aging and Mechanisms of Disease, Salk team studied nerve cells altered to produce high levels of amyloid beta to mimic aspects of Alzheimer’s disease.
The researchers found that high levels of amyloid beta were associated with cellular inflammation and higher rates of neuron death. They demonstrated that exposing the cells to THC reduced amyloid beta protein levels and eliminated the inflammatory response from the nerve cells caused by the protein, thereby allowing the nerve cells to survive.
“Inflammation within the brain is a major component of the damage associated with Alzheimer’s disease, but it has always been assumed that this response was coming from immune-like cells in the brain, not the nerve cells themselves,” says Antonio Currais, a postdoctoral researcher in Schubert’s laboratory and first author of the paper. “When we were able to identify the molecular basis of the inflammatory response to amyloid beta, it became clear that THC-like compounds that the nerve cells make themselves may be involved in protecting the cells from dying.”
Brain cells have switches known as receptors that can be activated by endocannabinoids, a class of lipid molecules made by the body that are used for intercellular signaling in the brain. The psychoactive effects of marijuana are caused by THC, a molecule similar in activity to endocannabinoids that can activate the same receptors. Physical activity results in the production of endocannabinoids and some studies have shown that exercise may slow the progression of Alzheimer’s disease.
Schubert emphasized that his team’s findings were conducted in exploratory laboratory models, and that the use of THC-like compounds as a therapy would need to be tested in clinical trials.
In separate but related research, his lab found an Alzheimer’s drug candidate called J147 that also removes amyloid beta from nerve cells and reduces the inflammatory response in both nerve cells and the brain. It was the study of J147 that led the scientists to discover that endocannabinoids are involved in the removal of amyloid beta and the reduction of inflammation.http://medicalxpress.com/news/2016-06-cannabinoids-plaque-forming-alzheimer-protei
July 2, 2016 at 10:04 pm #46761c_howdyParticipantGott ist tot.
-FRIEDRICH NIETZSCHE, Die fröhliche WissenschaftThe book is a combination literary essay and writing collection showcasing the cut-up technique popularized by Burroughs and Gysin in the 1960s. Cut-ups involves taking texts, cutting the pages, and then rearranging and combining the pieces to form new narratives.
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Mind…Thunderbolt; Moore liked the idea of a character who “us[ed] the full 100% of his brain” and “[had] complete physical and mental control”…
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmen#CharactersI am NOT an advocate of channeling – it generally impairs the spiritual development of the channel. But the information can still stimulate others, IF it comes from a high enough source.
-http://forum.healingtaousa.com/philosophy/message/26421/Sorry, but I am personally also quite suspicious about the possibility of being able to develop some kind of spiritual science.
…human-centric Ribo-tzu is still caught up in the illusion of linear time-flow, the past-present-future illusion…
Personally I don’t believe that this is totally true, but it might be in the end about quite opposite orientation.
…does his notion of God live in that slow flow of change?
Speaking about God is good way of cheating sentimental people; if it’s made in the right way one might also become quite rich.
…again, the limitations of his human-centric cosmology confine the imagination and defy a plausible explanation of a functioning multi-dimensional realty, including explanations of suffering and a dysfunctional humanity. As above, so below…
Yes here it might be.
In my opinion there is nothing limiting in physical cosmology; I don’t see any reason to become subservient toward some “higher entity”.
… if you do not accept a law of “God”…
This concept is in my opinion only good for cheating.
Sorry for my broken English.
HOWDY
July 2, 2016 at 10:24 pm #46763Michael WinnKeymasterNote: the key sentence in this ineresting study was:
Physical activity results in the production of endocannabinoids and some studies have shown that exercise may slow the progression of Alzheimer’s disease.
You don’t need to smoke pot to resist ALZ. Just keep the Qi flowing through your body and brain. – m
July 5, 2016 at 2:33 pm #46765c_howdyParticipantBy Graham Templeton on April 22, 2016 at 4:23 pm
Sometimes, physicists can get too up in their own heads.
At the most recent Isaac Asimov Memorial Debate, recently held at New Yorks Hayden Planetarium, scientists gathered to address the question for the year: Is the universe a computer simulation? Its an older question that you might imagine, and if we interpret it a bit more broadly then its really one of the oldest questions imaginable: How do we know that reality is reality? And, if our universe were a big, elaborate lie, could we ever devise some test to prove that fact? At the debate, host and celebrity astronomer Neil deGrasse Tyson argued that the probability is that we live in a computer simulation.
Thankfully, thats clearly silly. View the full, surprisingly entertaining discussion below.
When you set yourself to proving, or disproving, the hypothesis that we live in a computer simulation, there are basically two modes of attack. One, you can try to collect evidence on the subject a difficult and time-consuming approach that tends to leave you without much in the way of funding or public recognition. One approach to this is to look for glitches, things that have no place in any sensible physical universe. Another is to figure out some limitation of a simulation that ought not to exist in a real world, and to see whether our universe exhibits this limitation. Recent work examining cosmic rays in the upper atmosphere could one-day be expanded to provide such evidence, but its in no way assured.
The other, more popular strategy is to reason your way out of the box the Descartes approach. This involves coming up with logical statements that cannot be locked to any particular reality in which we exist; classically, Descartes claimed that he could definitively prove he existed, simply by thinking. I think therefore I am is not a reference to self-awareness, and certainly not artificial intelligence, but the simple fact of existence: I cant be having the thought Im having now if I dont exist somewhere, in some form. Descartes had a pre-digital understanding of a simulation, arguing that he could well be a brain in a vat being fed false experiences. But the basic form of the problem is the same as our computer interpretation, though less specific and testable.
Now, Descartes had to eventually abandon basic thought proofs in favor of some questionable further assumptions designed to make his quest for a sensible universe remotely possible. In particular, he had to fall back on ideas about God, and His unwillingness to viciously trick mankind. In other words, if our senses tell us a thing, we can trust in Gods fairness to assure that that thing is, at least roughly, the way we observe it to be. If it isnt, then God has given us senses designed to trick us, and God would never do such a thing!
For modern physicists, this approach obviously wont cut the mustard. Even highly religious scientists know they cant reference God in their theories. To move past the problem of mere existence and on to more relevant questions, they and their atheist colleagues alike must lean on an equally convenient, and equally useless, argumentative crutch: infinite-time thought experiments.
This is the crux of Tysons point: if we take it as read that it is, in principle, possible to simulate a universe in some way, at some point in the future, then we have to assume that on an infinite timeline some species, somewhere, will simulate the universe. And if the universe will be perfectly, or near-perfectly, simulated at some point, then we have to examine the possibility that we live inside such a universe. And, on a truly infinite timeline, we might expect an almost infinite number of simulations to arise from an almost infinite number or civilizations and indeed, a sophisticated-enough simulation might be able to let its simulated denizens themselves run universal simulations, and at that point all bets are officially off.
In such a reality, simulated universes might outnumber real ones by an infinity to one, and so to assume we live in the one and only real universe would be the height of arrogance.
Its not so much that this thinking is flawed as it is so useless it invalidates all of human thought and achievement from pre-history to today. Think about it: If we are to be convinced by this sort of non-argument, then why not assume that every person around you is a time traveler? After all, if we imagine that time travel will one-day exist on an infinite time-line, then we must also assume that time travel has been used to visit every single time and place in our planets history including this one. People will, in principle, want to have fun vacations in the past, putting on period-appropriate clothing and walking around using slang wrong; how could we be so arrogant as to assume that the people we meet are part of the real, finite population of our time, and not from the far more numerous ranks of temporal travelers from any time?
Does this prove that Tyson and his colleagues are wrong? No. But it does prove that their thinking here is inherently useless that is, that they could be right and until we can prove it with real evidence, their correct statements would still be useless. As the old saying goes, we should be open-minded just not so open-minded our brains fall out.
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http://www.wired.com/2016/04/neil-degrasse-tyson-black-hole-sucking-fun-universe/
July 6, 2016 at 4:56 pm #46767StevenModerator>>>Of course the children’s personalities did not choose to die.
>>>Their souls chose it, as the body-mind is created by the soul.
>>>And the souls take orders from their oversouls,
>>>who are orchestrating things.This is complete nonsense. It doesn’t even make sense, that somehow they’d all agree to die simultaneously, and somehow have the outside physical reality cognition to choose to be in the same place at the same time. And for why? What purpose? There are almost 8 billion people on the planet. Are we really to believe that there was some orchestration with 20 people (kids) so that some small fraction of the 300 million people in the US, plus some external to the US, will feel their heart’s touched by the loss? The whole idea is ridiculous to me.
There is no oversoul orchestrating anything here.
It’s not to say that oversouls don’t exist, because in my view they do (or at least one of them does, forgetting about the count) but they are not interfering and manipulating.Those deaths were just a random tragedy.
It is human personality insistence on having “spiritual support” here, that demands a watchdog that to be influencing things. But there is no such thing, in my view.>>>Steven’s Sy’s theory of randomness is standard
>>>materialistic science, and not believable –
>>>that humanity arose as a “random event” from
>>>a bunch of amino acids landing in a
>>>primordial ocean, hitchhiking on a meteor?I never said that the creation of life was random. Something doesn’t arise spontaneously from nothing. But once life was created, it was left alone. There are no helicopter parents here tinkering around. I think the oversouls are plenty happy to let the human experiment and experience evolve without interference, and they are getting plenty of information as feedback upon death. But they are not actively helicopter parenting in the meantime. This idea of helicopter parenting and manipulation is an attachment to Christian beliefs of a personal God-head that cares about us individually and is guiding our lives on a day-to-day basis. But it is not reality in my view. From my perspective, it is more like sending the kids off to an amusement park for the day–ON THEIR OWN–and then asking for a report when they return at the end of the day. But meanwhile, the parents are not involved AT ALL.
It doesn’t mean that the oversouls don’t care. Instead, they care enough not to interfere with our experiences here. It’s the true love of the gift of freedom. To trust that we can handle it on our own, while here.
>>>(Steven was also mistaken in his description
>>>of One Cloud formula’s not getting beyond
>>>xin/heart-mind until Star Alchemy.
>>>All three levels of Kan and Li are soul work,
>>>far beyond the working of
>>>biological heart-mind). But a minor
>>>forgiveable error…:).It’s not a mistake. I simply disagree with your assessment.
For instance, with Lesser, I do NOT believe that there was some soul tragedy of division into two separate male and female souls, the trauma of which we have to heal. (This is a story you tell in Lesser and/or Healing Love). To me, this is a borrowed belief from Christian Gnosticism.
We are who we are; end of story. The male/female body we inhabit, and emotion unique nuances due to gender, are an influence from the personality due to being in a biologically sexed body. But it has ZERO to do with the soul itself. Any work healing psycho-sexual issues, male/female issues, have to do with the gender aspect of the personality . . . something that is not at the soul level. We have sexual issues BECAUSE we are in a body, and both gender and sex drive, create sexual impulses. We wouldn’t have these, if we were soul only.
Similarly, I see the ancestral influences of Greater as just influences of who happened to be our parents and gave their bodies as vehicles for us to get in here. Our soul has nothing to do with our ancestors. The ancestors affect us vis-a-vis our personality heart-mind due to the dumb luck/unluck of which parents gave us the earth ticket. But their ticket has nothing to do with us, per se.
Similarly, collective shared experiences in society–common to all personalities–dictate and influence many behavior patterns, but they are quite independent of who-we-are on a core level. Being born under a certain astrology is again a matter of luck of the cards, not any commentary on our actual soul underneath.
So my comment was NOT a mistake, but is my genuine belief, backed up by my experience to date. It’s not until you get to Star Alchemy that you actually rise above the postnatal and start working on the core soul living in the prenatal. [excepting Inner Smile, which is about the soul radiating its acceptance to the personality] For me, I’ve felt a core difference here. I feel many confuse certain aspects of the personality–aspects that may be “tough” and deep”–but personality aspects nonetheless as aspects of who they are (i.e soul), rather than the fact that they are just deeper levels of personality.
So it’s not so much “a mistake”, as that I have a different view from yours on these aspects. And, as far as higher-level K&L goes, much is open to interpretation and personal experience.
>>>A random world is a meaningless world. I don’t buy it.
>>>Tao is about becoming captain of one’s destiny,
>>>the high level being immortality.It is only meaningless if you sit on your butt, and don’t create.
I find it to actually be MORE meaningful if the oversouls give us complete freedom to create, without any higher-level tinkering or interference in our overall free will. Plus, I think they get more valuable information this way . . . knowing that it arose spontaneously and uniquely, rather than being caused into being by their manipulation.Being completely without interference or manipulation, means being the COMPLETE “captain of one’s destiny” (as you say), with still the high-level being intelligent immortality.
Qi,
StevenJuly 6, 2016 at 8:26 pm #46769ribosome777ParticipantTo some extent, I understand what Michael Winn is saying here in a way I think you don’t…
In other words, he is saying that the “Over-Consciousness” of a person knows that disasters are going to happen, but that knowledge is lost in the subliminal and subconscious blockages of mind. These occur constantly. We are not aware of what we are.. This is how the “dream” plane operates.
The problem is that this is a disastrous interpretation of that. Michael Winn’s interpretation does this:
Something awful happens to someone.
It’s somehow that person’s fault, because they are generating reality.THIS IS NOT TRUE.
He will say this is not the case but it is. It is a common disorder among, say, abused children. It is part of them blaming themselves to influence their own choices when in fact they did nothing wrong.
The “Universe” has random potentials and probability runnels. There is only so much that can happen, and different things may occur.
I already said all of this under precognition.
That is all this amounts to… The Over consciousness MAY have precognition of what MAY occur.
WHAT MAY OCCUR.
Michael has already slipped the willy here.
“the body-mind is created by the soul…”
TO MICHEAL WINN:
Can you please elaborate on how the soul is creating the “body mind”? Many of us would argue that a soul is infused/implanted within the “body mind” but subject to biological conditions.
I would really never say either. The “soul” is a bio-electric phenomenon inhabiting the bio-electric system of evolving life forms… The point being that there is a completely non-physical “quantum” component which is not tied to the genetic organism… Furthermore this exists in degrees within ALL evolving organisms.
To be religious, they ALL find root in the Brahmin, and it is the level of the organism which determines its housing of that consciousness and force. This is again back to the Brahmin, the Atman, and the Ajna.
The “Eye of God” links the local mind to the Overmind to the degree it has evolved, developed, or opened.
The point is that the Higher Intelligence and Overmind work like a holographic super-computer.
IT IS NOT JUST A MYTHOLOGY. IT IS A REAL QUANTUM INTELLIGENCE CIRCUIT.
It also does not amount to set pre-destiny BECAUSE there is choice and room for warning.
Why War? Let’s ask “God” why nature operates the way it does. We know why. It is reproductive/fertile force which is part of the CHAOS of the “dark” force. That is typically personified as some form of “Satan” but makes no English Biblical sense because the “God” there condones it for all the “Darwinistic” reasons.
It’s not Satan. It’s the Law of the Universe. It contains Yin and Yang.
To say children “chose to die” amounts to some part of them knew there was a potential, but there was no communication pathway to their local selves. They showed up to class for a random crazed gunner to kill them the way any invading Israelite would have killed a Canaanite.
July 6, 2016 at 9:10 pm #46771StevenModerator>>>To some extent, I understand what Michael Winn
>>>is saying here in a way I think you don’t…I understand what Michael is saying on these issues. Believe me . . . I’ve taken more live hours of his coursework than just about everybody individually in existence, so I know what his perspective is. I just disagree with these aspects.
>>>In other words, he is saying that the
>>>”Over-Consciousness” of a person knows
>>>that disasters are going to happen,
>>>but that knowledge is lost in the
>>>subliminal and subconscious blockages
>>>of mind. These occur constantly.
>>>We are not aware of what we are..
>>>This is how the “dream” plane operates.Of course, the oversouls can see different possible future timelines. They exist outside of time. But it doesn’t mean they are influencing physical reality of humans to cause one possibility or another. From my perspective, they stay out of it. If an individual person living on earth, is spiritually aware enough, they can also see some of these possibilities, and if a strong enough possibility–with strong enough awareness–precognition can occur. But most are not aware of these possibilities and are not acting–even on an unconscious soul level–of making a choice. Without any precognition, it is making choices without awareness of what might come. It’s like choosing lottery ticket numbers without any awareness of what the winning numbers are. However, unlike playing the Powerball, sometimes the free will choice leads to a person’s demise, and it has nothing to do with any knowledge of the outcome of this option. It’s just dumb bad luck.
>>>Michael has already slipped the willy here.
>>>”the body-mind is created by the soul…”I don’t know if he believes this or not, or is promoting it.
But I personally don’t believe it.
From my perspective, the xin body-mind is quite independent of the soul. It is a separate team that joined with the ling soul upon incarnation. It’s the whole point of alchemy in my view to a) get the individual organ spirits in the xin to harmonize with each other, and b) allow them to be of service to the soul (in preparation for possibly having a more complete group of team awareness that wishes to continue on together after death)S
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