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May 13, 2005 at 12:15 pm #5700FacelessMageParticipant
Well Cess
that powa thing might be right cessation but i can’t really go into it since i’ve given up thing about daoism. i can’t mix it with what i do in falun gong. i can’t even mix the virtue of the dao de ching into what i do. but the point is that there are things from other systems in the daoism taught on this website. how can adding things to what you do be called genuine teachings? that’s not, that’s making up a new system ? isn’t this what you’re trying to do cess by mixing falun gong with healing dao stuff???
AND BY THE WAY, FALUN GONG IS NOT A CULT. For whoever said that!!!!!!!!!
cults are wrong small groups of wrong teachings that appear religious
read zhuan falun and then tell me that becoming a good person according to the nature of the universe is an evil practice. ( following the fundamental nature of the universe can never ever be wrong )May 13, 2005 at 12:55 pm #5701oldhParticipantThe problem of cults is that the people in the cult stop thinking for themselves, just repeating what their master tells them…
May 14, 2005 at 6:45 pm #5703DYNAMITE MUDParticipantFace,
I will try it for a few more days, and if they dont mix well together I will have to drop one of the systems or may be I will just drop everything!
As for the cult thing, I am not too concern about it. Only hope they don’t turn into terrorist group as these FALUN people are capable of self-immolation just like those JI or Arab suicide bombers. Also the DAFA may be teaching good things but the followers can do the opposite. Afterall the Holy Quran also teaches peace and compassion but look at what happened to the WTC!! If you are worried, you may contact the cult investigation expert to help. Here is a link to one of them:
AARRGGGHHHH!!!!!
Peace out!!
May 15, 2005 at 9:49 pm #5705spongebobParticipant“FALUN GONG IS NOT A CULT”
yes it is. here in china they murder people and commit acts of sabotage, though probably fallshort of terrorism. a number of mysterious suicides have turned up. all very cultish if you ask me. all of this is part of their activity to achieve political power under the guise of activism for democracy. they are a cult with an ambitious and controlling leader who lusts for power.
May 16, 2005 at 1:43 pm #5707FacelessMageParticipantyo i think you should read zhuan falun, the core of the falun gong practices, then you will see that it is not a cult.it’s being called a cult because jiang denim is jealous that t overshadows his communist regime! there were 100 million practitioners before its persecution started! the dude simply got jealous and made it illegal
May 16, 2005 at 2:32 pm #5709oldhParticipantFacelessImage. I know that part of FalunGong is to believe everything what Master says. You say you are not in a cult as you have free will… I have no right to doubt it, but it may be vital to your survival to start setting a boundary and not fully believing what is said. No. this is not properly expressed. Believe everything you want but keep up the possibility that it is not true.
Instead of saying: There ARE 100 million practitioners.
better might be saying: it is SAID there are.
Instead of saying: Master Li IS NOT human.
It might be wise saying: I BELIEVE he is not human.
A cult is not only defined by the question of having free will or not, but as well by the capability of its “members” to be open for other possibilities.
Keep yourself the freedom otherwise you consider the danger of becoming a Faceless Image in its true sense.
I know you have not asked me for my opinion. But as I have been through the process…
namaste
Harry
May 16, 2005 at 2:56 pm #5711FacelessMageParticipantpart of falun gong has nothing to do with you believing everything mr li says. he even says in his books that you don’t have to follow him if you don want to, how could that not be free will?
May 17, 2005 at 2:05 am #5713oldhParticipantAhhhhh. The fly (bad analogy but still valid) has the free will to not fly into the Spider’s net… but as soon as it is in it…
it is not so much about Falun Gong or Master Li, but about your reasoning
As soon as you follow him, you HAVE to believe everything he says, otherwise you can not be a real Fa student and will be taken away the Falun or even not receive it in the first place…
might all be true. Whom am I to say. But have you proved it beyong believe?
Harry
May 17, 2005 at 2:49 am #5715spongebobParticipantit’s not so much wha the books say or what the master says that i’m concerned with. it’s the body count.
May 17, 2005 at 5:29 pm #5717FacelessMageParticipantActually
you don’t have to believe everything he said, he wrote the book zhuan falun so that you would be able to awake to certain things on your own, but since he sends out the falun, how can you expect him to not take it away from you if you go about blaspheming the dao or doing evil things? that’s no different from him doing an evil thing. why is that? it’s because if you keep cultivating evil, what do you become? you will either be destroyed or become a demon when you get to high in your cultivation , how could mr li allow that to happen? that’s no different from him doing an evil act, therefore he can’t allow it to happen and his law bodies will take back the falun.
the core teachings of falun gong are no different from the basic recquirements of daosim or buddhism .falun gong’s way of thinnking and living contains the buddha school’s emptiness and the tao school’s nothingness.unlike you wanna be immortals, falun gong simply recquires different things since the’re cultivating into different beings( buddhas ). we all know that buddhas and immortals could do similar things but are different when compared to each other.
falun gong only recquires truthfullness, which means being true, and straightfoward,and returning to the origin through cultivation
it recquires compassion,
and it recquires tolerance, endurance, forebearance and self control
the tolerance part is to help improve your mind nature when enduring tribulations, for without improving your mind nature as well as doing chi kung, how can one attain perfection? ( in other words if someone insults you, what would you do? insult them back? if you do then you would be no different from ordinary people, but since falun gong members are cultivating a great dao, how can they allow themselves to be like ordinary people? therefore there are things one is recquired to do to attain spiritual perfection ) doing chi kung is only half the equation, what do you thing is the other half?
some people are simply speaking based on rumors of falun gong, then making up all kinds of erroneous statements about it. if you truly want to know about falun gong read zhuan falun then the book called falun gong.To summarise all this with a joke, tell me, since falun gong members are cultivating to become buddhas, we have to align with the mentality of what would make us a buddha, do you think budda would see a naked woman and then all of a sudden get horny and say, yo she look mad good, i’m bout to put ah hurt on this bitch. WE ALL KNOW BUDDHA WOULD NEVER DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, thereofore there is such a thing as a strict moral and mental code that has to be followed if one is to attain the perfection of buddahood,even lao tzu talked about having no attachments or emotions and he’s a daoist god, not a buddha. mr li never demands anything of anyone, he doesn’t even object to people wanting to follow other cultivation systems, he simply states what is recquired of you if you want to become a buddha using falun gong. the reason the recquirements might seem weird are because according to mr li, different schools have different ways of evolving gong. there are different recquirements for different schools.
let’s say a monk from shaloin temple would only live in shaolin temple and rarely interact with the outside world,because of that, he would not have to fulfill the same recquirements of someone who is cultivating buddhahood in the secular world. falun gong cultivates buddha hood in the secular world, we’re not monks in temples so what applies to them doesn’t apply to us, it is recquired that we maintain a strict mind nature at all times, because if we don’t we would be no different from ordinary people. 🙂January 27, 2006 at 10:30 am #5719dilipParticipantFalun Gong is cultivation Practice and has nothing to do with faith or belief or doubt…
You absolutely must not “believe” what I say or what someone else says and refuse to believe your own notions too…
But I request you to inquire analyze and rationally understand….
Everything is explained very clearly in the nine lectures.. kindly listen to them completely… I’ll just say it is a DaFa of the Buddha School. If you were to just listen to the lectures and try the exercises for a week I am sure you will truly understand What Falun Dafa is… And then you will cherish it.. it is believed in Buddhism that even to come across a true cultivation way is immense virtue and one can obtain a Dafa ( Great Way) only if he has a great Pre-destined relationship… You donot have to believe what I say but I think there are many here with Strong Pre-destined relationships to cultivate the Great Law… let not our notions hold us back from exploring and rationally understanding… let us not see things with pre-concieved notions…
The Lectures can be found here on…
http://www.falundafa.org/eng/media.htm#GUANGZHOUIf we shy away from trying to understand and then argue are they anything more than just arguments?
Love,
DilipJune 8, 2008 at 12:31 pm #5721FacelessMageParticipantyeah oldh i guess you’re right about the believe and the it is said part
I was supposed to say that that’s just the way i understand things but i forgot to as i got caught up in all the discussions.
here;s the post you made i was talking about :
FacelessImage. I know that part of FalunGong is to believe everything what Master says. You say you are not in a cult as you have free will… I have no right to doubt it, but it may be vital to your survival to start setting a boundary and not fully believing what is said. No. this is not properly expressed. Believe everything you want but keep up the possibility that it is not true.
Instead of saying: There ARE 100 million practitioners.
better might be saying: it is SAID there are.
Instead of saying: Master Li IS NOT human.
It might be wise saying: I BELIEVE he is not human.
A cult is not only defined by the question of having free will or not, but as well by the capability of its “members” to be open for other possibilities.
Keep yourself the freedom otherwise you consider the danger of becoming a Faceless Image in its true sense.
I know you have not asked me for my opinion. But as I have been through the process…
namaste
Harry
June 8, 2008 at 1:05 pm #5723FacelessMageParticipantwhat i posted was ONLY my understanding of things, it doesn’t represent the teachings of falun dafa, you can check it out on the website http://www.falundafa.org it’s FREE on there.
here;s the post i was talking about :
Well Cess
that powa thing might be right cessation but i can’t really go into it since i’ve given up thing about daoism. i can’t mix it with what i do in falun gong. i can’t even mix the virtue of the dao de ching into what i do. but the point is that there are things from other systems in the daoism taught on this website. how can adding things to what you do be called genuine teachings? that’s not, that’s making up a new system ? isn’t this what you’re trying to do cess by mixing falun gong with healing dao stuff???
AND BY THE WAY, FALUN GONG IS NOT A CULT. For whoever said that!!!!!!!!!
cults are wrong small groups of wrong teachings that appear religious
read zhuan falun and then tell me that becoming a good person according to the nature of the universe is an evil practice. ( following the fundamental nature of the universe can never ever be wrong -
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