bagua

the practical guidance is the person knows it and seeks assistance or self-adjustment.

but the real point i was making is that the dynamic balance of Yin-Yang is normal, and one inseparable whole, like the tai ji diagram, it has paramaters for the normal range of yin-yang interaction. Seeing the one in the two is key.

Before yin-yang digrams…[Read more]

hi So:

All the Yin-Yang relationships you mention are not about separation, they are about the cyclical flow of one eneregtic pattern, this is where we differ. I view these yin-yang patterns as play within an inseparable tai ji unit, its only when there is an extreme is there the “negative” polarization, which needs to be remedied.

bagua

Hi alexander:

Im glad you could shed some light on our discussions.

The Healing Tao, from its origin has always promoted a free exchange of ideas. Particularly the last months have braught a clarity to often ambigous concepts, words and models, if one is sharp enough to put all the pieces together, what has been so vague becomes, has became…[Read more]

HI Fajin:

I think we all learn from each other here, so ultimately agreeing or not is not most important to me, its learning to look at things in different ways. So you have offered much and I appreciate that.

Faj
Philosophically, the highest cultivation of all schools is to achieve the ability to rverse the twist in the Taiji Cord, thereby…[Read more]

Hi Fajin:

Faj
*I know that Wu Ji is the blank circle and Tai Ji is the three forces within that circle.
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That is not the diagram i am referring to.

Middle is blank circle
outside of this blank cirlce are outer rings of yin-yang

Faj
What I was trying to get you to say was what makes the Taiji cord twist? Dao…[Read more]

Hi Mat:

I think there are some who are not trapped and limited by the models or tradition and can see the unity. It is my experience when all the talk is over, honest people end up agreeing on the ulitmate achievement, unity with the whole or the creator.

bagua

Hi SO:

can you share where in the taoist cosmological models it shows Hun and Po separate and there is the loss for integration? By model I mean:

wu ji–tai ji-all things or
wu ji–yin/yang-four forces-eigth gua–all things

thanks,

bagua

It seems they are promoting each person is incomplete, it is evolving, like an infant to adult, and one may never evolve and spilt and go into the cosmos. So they are trying to explain the idea that the Po goes to the earth and hun off to the ethereal, split forever, lost opportunity for “soul completion”. This is the most ambigious of tao…[Read more]

Hi Michael:

That was a very interesting article and you make some enlightening comments.

It seems to me the entire dialogue centers around Yin-Yang, seeing them as two forces, separate, not one inseparable unit. When the two are experienced as one, there is no dichotomy, in my opinion this is what the masters of the past talk about and…[Read more]

Fajin:

Gee, there was peace and balance for a few moments, I thought our shen were harmonized.

FAJ
I*OK, Bagua. Wu Ji created that potential which is what Daoists call Taiji. Now let me ask you, what happens after Taiji? What causes it to polarize? Where does concsiousness come from? I am asking you to see why your understanding is…[Read more]

Hi Fajin:

Thank you for you patience with me.

Faj
*Wu Ji created potential, but it is difficult to understand concsiousness. It is like trying to understand the concept of things being eternal. Can you imagine something without beginning and without an end?
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You say Wu Ji created Consciousness, then leaves it,…[Read more]

Well, we disageree and I know Chia and have studied with him.

example.

If you do the smile, orbit, fusions, kan and li, lets say two hours, you may spend 5-10 minutes outside of body, 90% or more inside. Got it???????

Why do you do Qi GOng outside, near trees, water, etc. Why not sit in building, you want external Qi, well you can get it…[Read more]

Hi friend:

Lets see if I understand you.

Wu Ji created Potential, Potential created Consciousness. Right?

So Wu Ji created Potential that is inadequate or incomplete? or atleast created an incomplete consciousness, because it must evolve?

Your consciousness must evolve, this is your theme and it is alchemy which will accelerate your…[Read more]

YOU ARE SO WRONG. Chia does not do this for long periods, you are talking about things you do not know. Off all the time you would practice, bringing the pearl out is a very small part of the time.

Chia has five shen, he has it all too. Its clear you do not practice the higher levels.

bagua

Hi Fajin:

Why do you connect what you define as ‘spiritual science” with Lao Tsu and Chuang Tsu? Science will not in our life time explain the mysteries of the universe, so often they think they explain something they learn something new. It has its benefits, but you are chasing hands my friend, big mistake, never chase hands.

You promote Wu…[Read more]

Liang’s and Chia’s approach has lots of practice, so its not all in the head.

Michael’s presenation is lots in the head, it has practice too.

You talk alot of theory, I can say you are very intellectual and lots in the head too.

bagua

Faj
Yes. It is not nothing. It does not imply wu-wei, if that is what you are thinking.
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There is nothing that has nothing.
Yuan has nothing? Than how can it be original, original implies something.

Hi fajin:

fajin says this:
*I thought you didn’t want to continue discussing with me. What a surprise.
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I try to be extra nice with you, but you are something. I may say there is no point in continuing a particular dialogue, not ending discussion for ever.

Im closing in on things i think are important, so if I ask…[Read more]

They want to use the best od Taosim, from any time from, as it evolved, eliminate all distortions, but they do not do the same for buddhism, they take the most extreme positons and then present it as if it buddhism. it would be like me using zang da linf, the pope of religious taoism as the spokeman for all taoists. Its a disguine arguement and a…[Read more]

Does Yuan mean passive, no action, empty, or is it active like yin, what does it do?

You refer to yuan as meaning neutral only. Yuan means original. Two came from one. It means original but is also neutral. Michael’s methods are very different from qigong society today. They use yuan to mean prenatal.