[FacelessMage]

For this post that i made, i suggest that anyone who reads it go to the falundafa.org website and get your own understanding of the practice. Back when i made that post i really wasn’t in a good mood and just wrote whatever i felt.
I don’t want to say bad things about anyone’s cultivation ways so don’t regard what i said about Falun Dafa in that post as being true. Get your own understanding of Falun Dafa from the practice it’s FREE on the website http://www.falundafa.org

Here’s that post i was talking about :

Well Miso

i don’t know what to tell you as that is something you have to decide for yourself.

i used to practice Falun Dafa for about 2 years – i haven’t come to the conclusion that i’ve turned away from it i only returned to Taoism because some of the things mr li hongzhi said make absolutely no sense to me and i can’t see myself following something that doesn’t make any sense to me.

I’m absolutely not trying to say anything bad about falun gong but this is the truth i observed based on my experience of practicing falun gong and that truth is still disturbing me and made me unable to get a good night’s sleep for weeks . When i did the exercises to the great consummation way of dafa, i fell an extremely tremendous amount of heat come onto my body and i also felt the falun rotating when i did the falun standing stance.
The first exercise i did in falun dafa was the falun heavenly circuit and lo and behold – something really weird happened – i had the same feeling around my neck that i had when i did the taoist fusion 3 practice of opening the thrusting and belt channels- it felt like some kind of invisible, magnetic force with different layers- that’s the best way i can describe it .
since i felt something i knew that it must have been real – but this later lead to my inevitable, perhaps temporary return to taoism ( unless i can prove taoism wrong )
what forced me to return to and analyze taoism was some of the things in the book zhuan falun and falun gong supposedly written by falun gong’s founder mr li hongzhi.
allow me to explain.
These aren’t mr li’s actual words ( don’t have time now to go into the book to find them )
Fact (1) mr li said – do good things and you gain virtue or “de” and do bad things you gain karma or “yeli”
Fact (2) mr li said the goal of cultivation is to attain the dao and reach spiritual perfection
Fact (3) mr li said people fell off from a divine state and when they drop to this dimension of delusion they were supposed to be destroyed if looked at in terms of abilities OR from the stand point of the great enlightened beings ( the gods that didn’t fall off )
Fact (4) mr li said, to succeed in cultivation one has to follow no second discipline because it will make a mess of one’s gong ( cultivation energy )

When all these facts are examined – it’s leads to an inevitable conclusion that to know the truth one has to enlighten on their own.
how do i know this?
simple
for fact (4) which i mentioned earlier
this i what i have observed:
I am not mr li- therefore i do not know his thoughts. i have never known or seen mr li- therefore i do not know anything he did in his life outside the apparent realm of cultivation besides give lectures . Now,if i didn’t write the book zhuan falun and do not know the thoughts of mr li – how can i know that zhuan falun isn’t a book made up of messages from other cultivation ways ?

for facts (1-3)
in fact (3) the OR implies that the dao has a principle of destroying gods that fell off – if that was not so, what was he referring to? he couldn’t possibly be referring to demons in terms of what happens when one aligns with/ maintains alignment with good because demons are by their apparent natrure against goodness,
now with fact (1) and fact (2) if that’s true according to what mr li believes, then the tao/buddha law itself in his view must be something that is ONLY GOOD because if it wasn’t, there’d be no logic in him telling his followers to not do bad things and to treat negative thoughts as not being ours so that his Fa-Shen ( law bodies ) can eliminate them for us.
now,what’s disturbing to me is this:

if the Tao/Buddha law is GOOD, why would it have a principle that GODS must be destroyed if they drop to the realm of humans by doing evil. ?
that does not make any sense in terms of goodness and i’ll explain why.

as a hypothetical example, let’s assume that I was an ALL GOOD GOD.
if that were so, it would have been impossible for me to do evil to something eles because if i could, i would not be ALL GOOD.
now, free will is a characteristic that allows one to do evil because without free will one cannot act of their own will and therefore cannot do good or evil .
if the tao is perfect accoring to mr li – then it would know that with free will one can do good or do evil and therefore align with good or evil.
but once again hypothetically speaking, if i leave marbles on a floor and someone decided to act like a dam fool and jump on them, fall, break their neck and die- that would be the same as me having done something bad although i did not directly do something to the person who died.
As another example, if John is fighting BOB and i give BOB a gun and he kills John with it, who’s responsible for the murder?
in essence there are 2 people responsible for the murder.
first bob is because he killed john out of free will
second, i would be responsible as well although i did not kill john. the reason i’d be responsible is because i made the situation possible for someone with free will to do something evil or in other words to act according to a certain polarity. therefore The true tao doesn’t act in relation to polarity and therefore must be neutral in relation to polarity although it may contain polarity.
going back to the tao according to how it is in mr li’s views , if it truly was only good it never would have created GODS with free will because it would be responsible for the evil things they did .
Mr li said in a question the someone asked that we exist for the truth of buddha law/tao.- if that’s true, TELL ME- if the dao is all good, how could the dao possibly make gods with free will and then punish them with destruction when it gave them the free will to do good or evil ?
if we exist for the truth of buddha law and it’s all good according to mr li then buddha law/dao only could have created GOOD Gods with NO FREE WILL, therefore making it impossible for them to fall off and not live up to the essence of the Dao or in other words, exist for its truth.

Mr li himself said that parents themselves will have to suffer for the sins of their children when they do not properly raise and discipline them . Since the dao, according to master li created living environments for all the beings in the universe, isn’t it then in falun gong regarded as the origin or the uiniverse?

So doesn’t what i said mr li said in the sentence above contradict what mr li has been teaching about the tao ( fact 1-3 ) when the essence of the tao mr li taught when analyzed according to other things mr li taught or according to one’s own free thinking logic leads to the inevitable conclusion that it all makes absolutely no sense ?
This is why last week i started re-thinking about taoism and expecially taoist cosmology .
Now Miso, in relation to which cultivation way to follow- I absolutely don’t know because i can find flaws in all of them. it’s up to you to decide what you want for yourself. What i belive i must do is enlighten on my own Based on things that apply to me ( such as being able to read/not being able to read or being able to use tianmu ( third eye/ not being able to use tianmu ) and do a cultivation way that has phenomena ( such as energy related states/feelings) which conforms to what i’ve enlightened to because there seems to be no other choice.

it’s impossible to know if zhuan falun was written by mr li since i was not him and can’t read his mind and because of that it’s impossible to know according to the principle mr li taught about following one cultivation way only if zhuan falun isn’t a books of mixed ideas from different cultivation ways. i can’t disregard what i said because in zhuan falun mr li makes reference to Buddha Shakyamuni’s ” no ;aw is absolute” and he also made reference to Lao Tzu’s words in the tao te ching from chapter 41 in the tao te ching whhich is
“When superior students hear of the Tao
They strive to practice it.
When middling students hear of the Tao
They sometimes keep it and sometimes lose it.
When inferior students hear of the Tao
They have a big laugh.”
now, what i really have a hard time beliving is the fact that mr li said that only a buddha can offer salvation to sentient beings since a greater buddha would change the way of things in the world with just one word.
mr li said he has a falun paradise, therefore according to that statement he must be a buddha or a god or something that’s not human but lives forever and has divine powers since he said only those at the buddha level have paradises of their own and since he also said his LAW BODIES are an embodiment of his divine powers and wisdom – WE ALL KNOW WHAT DIVINE MEANS.
now, the words buddha means an enlightened person through cultivation, mr li himself said in zhuan falun that cultivation ways of the past didn’t allow their disciples to come across the teachings of other schools of cultivation to prevent contaminating their minds with messages from other cultivation ways and therefore making it impossible for them to acttain salvation because of his apparent NO SECOND DISCIPLINE notion.
Now, if mr li was a buddha, he would have boundless wisdom at least conforming to his level since he said one’s level determines their wisdom.
so, what i find hard to believe is, how could he make reference to the words of other cultivation ways?
If the NO SECOND DISCIPLINE notion was true, wouldn’t a buddha not say things from other cultivation ways in their discipline since there is the potential that some adept whether experienced or unexperienced can read those words and have them memorized unintentionally or intentionally by constantly reading them when they read zhuan falun?
not only does that stuff exist in zhuan falun, it exist in his other lectures as well- i don’t remember exactly but i do remember him talking about the phases of matter in the pure daoist opinion in taoist cosmology- things like bagua and tai chi and the wuji and how things come into existence etc .

i hope this helps you Miso on what my view of Falun Gong has become. I have way too much to say so i’ll stop here because if i continue – it might get so confusing you may not understand what i’m talking about .

[FacelessMage]

For this post that i made, i suggest that anyone who reads it go to the falundafa.org website and get your own understanding of the practice. Back when i made that post i really wasn’t in a good mood and just wrote whatever i felt.
I don’t want to say bad things about anyone’s cultivation ways so don’t regard what i said about Falun Dafa in that post as being true. Get your own understanding of Falun Dafa from the practice it’s FREE on the website http://www.falundafa.org

Here’s that ost i was talking about :

well miso,
i to have that feeling you have as if there was something to falun gong because i know what i felt when i did the falun dafa exercises and there was one day where my body literally felt like it was on fire- mr li made reference to this as saying there will be a day when one is very sensitive and later one will not have such a feeling.

so right now- half of me believes in falun gong and the other half believes in taoism .
i don’t have a choice in being like this because i found flaws in the philosophy of zhuan falun.
there can be these possibilities
(1) zhuan falun was a genuine cultivation text written by mr li but someone else added things to it and made it corrupt .
(2) the falun dafa exercises are real chi kung forms that can make one into a buddha/immortal/god .
but because the cultivation of xing xing ( mind nature ) goes hand in hand with the exercises, it’s impossible for me to know if doing the exercises really work since i can’t prove that zhuan falun really is mr li’s works and have reached the conclusion that it all makes no sense . I just really have a bad feeling about what i’m doing by coming back to taoism because of the things i experienced while practicing it and also because someone from the healing tao message board said something really weird to me. he/she said when they did falun gong for the first time- early heaven shen came rushing into them and their caludron expanded to fill the entire universe. then they did the exercise again and claimed to see a falun spinnin in them, then they did the exercise again and say mr li’s face smiling at them .
so it’s like i’m stuck in a cartoon or something where what seems to be real simply goes to a realm of who knows what – seems a little like playing that game calle metal gear solid and really listening to what solid snake says as the game plays out .

have a nice day

[FacelessMage]

what i posted was ONLY a question based on my understanding of things, it doesn’t represent the teachings of falun dafa, you can check it out on the website http://www.falundafa.org it’s FREE on there.

here;s the post i was talking about :

Are buddas more powerful than immortals or are they on the same level since they both merged with the dao/ budda law ?

[FacelessMage]

what i posted was ONLY a question based on my understanding of things, it doesn’t represent the teachings of falun dafa, you can check it out on the website http://www.falundafa.org it’s FREE on there.

here;s the post i was talking about :

I KNOW THAT BUDDAS ABSTAIN FROM SEX. BUT CAN IMMORTALS FUCK EACH OTHER OR DO THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW BUDDA LAW SINCE POO WAY ( WU WEI ) IS PERMANENT??????????

[FacelessMage]

what i posted was ONLY a question based on my understanding of things, it doesn’t represent the teachings of falun dafa, you can check it out on the website http://www.falundafa.org it’s FREE on there.

here;s the post i was talking about :

I READ THIS IN A BUDDA SCHOOL BOOK CALLED ZHUAN FALUN AND WAS WONDERING IF IT IS REALLY POSSIBLE TO FLY IF THE HEAVENLY CIRCUIT IS OPEN?????????????????

[FacelessMage]

what i posted was ONLY a question based on my understanding of things, it doesn’t represent the teachings of falun dafa, you can check it out on the website http://www.falundafa.org it’s FREE on there.

here;s the post i was talking about :

CAN BUDDAS, IMMORTALS AND WANDERING GODS CHANGE THEIR PAST AS WELL AS THE PAST OF OTHERS SINCE THEY HAVE MULTIPLE SELVES EXISTING IN MULTIPLE DIMENSIONS???????????????????

[FacelessMage]

what i posted was ONLY my understanding of things, it doesn’t represent the teachings of falun dafa, you can check it out on the website http://www.falundafa.org it’s FREE on there.

here;s the post i was talking about :

MICHAEL

WILL AN IMMORTAL ALWAYS BE AN IMMORTAL OR CAN THEY FALL OF LIKE BUDDAS???????

[FacelessMage]

what i posted was ONLY my understanding of things, it doesn’t represent the teachings of falun dafa, you can check it out on the website http://www.falundafa.org it’s FREE on there.

here;s the post i was talking about :

in the tao te ching lao tzi says that the sage abides in the condition of unattached action.
in a budda school book called zhuan falun, it’s author mt li hongzhi claims that tribulations are part of cultication for those who cultivate budda law( dao ) with a falun. the author says that a man was practicing and instantly budda amitaba, kuan yin and lao tzi showed up in front of him. kuan yin then placed 2 vases in front of him and budda amitaba and lao tzi made astonishingly beautiful women come out of it to dance for the practicioner. the practicioner thought that he was being rewarded for his cultivation,upon this thought lao tzi and budda amitaba transformed the dancers into naked women. when the practicioner saw this he said to himself ” i can’t do this, i am a cultivator of the great law ( the dao ). upon saying that the dancers disappeared. lao tzi then looked at budda amitaba and said ” this kid is teachable” since lao tzi and budda amitaba and kuan yin both showed up and tested him ,wouldn’t this be going against poo way as well as sages rarely talking and viewing all things as emptiness and also being shaped by silence???????????????

[FacelessMage]

what i posted was ONLY my understanding of things, it doesn’t represent the teachings of falun dafa, you can check it out on the website http://www.falundafa.org it’s FREE on there.

here;s the post i was talking about :

WHEN WE GET DRUNK WE COMMIT NO SINS AND NO DUALITY FOR OUR MIND IS OFF SOMEWHERE ELSE

SO NOTHINGNESS AND MICHAEL LETS ALL GET DRUNK AND GO TO SAHA TO BE WITH BUDDA ( lol )

[FacelessMage]

what i posted was ONLY my understanding of things, it doesn’t represent the teachings of falun dafa, you can check it out on the website http://www.falundafa.org it’s FREE on there.

( i don’t think i was practicing Falun Dafa back then but i may have been ) here’s the post i was talking about:

Well nothingness

MR winn only curses on his tapes to explain alignment with the tao. he was simply discussig how the taoist view is much different than the view of smoe buddhist. the view that they say you have no self. but if you have no self, then why do you bleed when cut, why do you stick your cock up ah womans ass when you need to get horny, and why do you sit on a toilet when you got explosive diarreah? oh by the way, that’s the shit that burns!!!!

oh and how could you come on here saying that you could care less about what Mr winn says? if michael’s full of shit why do you ask him questions? what would that make you? not that i wanna get involved in this

and by the way nothingness is something you can attain and become aware of . the way you do is by not trying to attain it and not being aware of it. in the end you exist yet don’t exist. if the tao can’t be attained, then why are we aligning with it? us aligning with it implies that we have not yet attained its way perfectly.

Now this is what i really don’t get with you. YOU CLAIM THE TAO TALKS TO YOU AND TELLS YOU WHAT TO DO, BUT I DON’T THINK THAT’S THE CASE, I THINK YOU’RE BEING INFLUENCED BY DEMONS. the reason i say that is because the tao is perfect and makes no mistakes which would include you calling michael selfish. ARE YOU FORGETTING THAT THE TAO LABELS NOTHING and that calling someone selfish is labeling something and a duality which runs counter to the truth( dao )

and what’s this about fear based teachings?
dude if you’re smoking budda you might as well give me some since michaels teachings are fear based, cuz if they are maybe you should tell the world where he tries to bring fear into someone. (what do you think this is ? the christian bible?)

don’t take this personally, since it was not my intention, i have no intentions, well you understand

[FacelessMage]

what i posted was ONLY my understanding of things, it doesn’t represent the teachings of falun dafa, you can check it out on the website http://www.falundafa.org it’s FREE on there.

here;s the post i was talking about :

Michael

SINCE BUDDAS and IMMORTALS merged with the tao and are able to manifest in humanoid forms in later heaven, does this mean that the tao itself can take on a humanoid form in tangible reality?

[FacelessMage]

what i posted was ONLY my understanding of things, it doesn’t represent the teachings of falun dafa, you can check it out on the website http://www.falundafa.org it’s FREE on there.

here;s the post i was talking about :

hold up one sec

Dude i never said you weren’t beyond justifying anything
and there we go with that labeling again
when you said ‘really i’m beyond justifying things’ you really killed the response.
A TRUE SAGE WILL NOT SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT ( SOMETHING WHICH SOUNDS LIKE PROVING A POINT )
there is no one to convince, there is nthing to strive for etc, it’s only an illusion. the sage looks at others and their words and sees untouchable things filled with emptiness. 🙂

[FacelessMage]

what i posted was ONLY my understanding of things, it doesn’t represent the teachings of falun dafa, you can check it out on the website http://www.falundafa.org it’s FREE on there.

here;s the post i was talking about :

SECRET
LOL NOTHINGNESS
WAHT IS THE SECRET? IS IT THAT THE TAO EXIST YET DOESN’T EXIST
OR IS IT THAT IN TRUE REALITY THERE ARE NO GROUNDS FOR MAKING DISTINCTIONS?

[FacelessMage]

what i posted was ONLY my understanding of things, it doesn’t represent the teachings of falun dafa, you can check it out on the website http://www.falundafa.org it’s FREE on there.

here;s the post i was talking about :

Maybe you people should try falun gong ( law wheel chi kung of the budda school )
Falun dafa’s xing xing ( mind nature ) contains the budda school’s emptiness and the tao school’s nothingness. ( from zhuan falun )

[FacelessMage]

what i posted was ONLY my understanding of things, it doesn’t represent the teachings of falun dafa, you can check it out on the website http://www.falundafa.org it’s FREE on there.

here;s the post i was talking about :

CHI IS JUST SOMETHING OF A LOWER LEVEL
DO FALUN GONG ( CHI KUNG OF THE BUDDA SCHOOL ) AND YOU’RE GUARANTEED TO TRANSCEND THE STATE OF CHI IN WHICH CHI CAN NO LONGER EXIST IN YOU AND YOU ARE ABLE TO DEVELOP GONG( AN ENERGY MORE POWERFUL THAN CHI )
ALSO SINCE YOU PEOPLE HAVE TO GO ABOUT YOUR DAILY LIVES YOU CAN’T PRACTICE THE TAO SCHOOLS METHODS ALL DAY. BUT WITH FALUN GONG YOU CAN PRACTICE ALL DAY BECAUSE ONCE YOU HAVE A FALUN IT NEVER STOPS SPINNING AND GATHERING ENERGY. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO AT ALL TIMES WHEN NOT PRACTICING IS MAINTAIN YOUR XINGXING( MIND NATURE ) IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULING COSMIC PRINCIPLES OF THIS UNIVERSE TRUTHFULLNESS, COMPASSION, FOREBEARANCE.
YOU CAN STILL DO THE TAO SCHOOL PRACTICES TO BECOME AN IMMORTAL IF YOU WANT BUT WITH WITH FALUN GONG YOU BECOME A BUDDA MUCH FASTER SINCE FALUN SHORTENS THE TIME YOU NEED TO CULTIVATE. ( SOME OF THIS IS FROM THE BOIOK ZHUAN FALUN )
I GUESS WHAT HEALING TAO USA HAD TO OFFER JUST WASN’T WORKING FOR ME. I MEAN I WAS GETTING GOOD RESULTS BUT HAD TO STOP SINCE I COULD NO LONGER CONCENTRATE ON WHAT I WAS DOING ( THIS WAS ALL JUST TOO WEIRD FOR ME)
BUT THE INSTANT I STARTED DOING FALUN GONG I GOT IMMEDIATE RESULTS ESPECIALLY AFTER THE FALUN HEAVENLY CIRCUIT EXERCIES. IT FEELS LIKE YOUR WHOLE BODY IS ON FIRE.
———- 🙂

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