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Heaven and Earth is perfect if we make it that way. “Following the way of heaven and earth” might be interpreted like “following the desire (or will) of heaven and earth to be in harmony and balance”.

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I have been readng your post, and would like to answer it until michael gets around to it, but again, your language is very unclear, and you take things out of context:

>>”Wu Ji created Heaven and Earth, under your assumption, it created the potential for this polarity, and of course not to polarize to the degree to cause the “human…[Read more]

Your interpretation of this quote is true in a larger sense, but does not acknowledge the existence of polarity or suffering that needs resolution now. This might happen in the case where the One single energy that is flowing about might encounter a blockage to impede its free flow.

Do you believe in the existence of suffering?

We could all…[Read more]

My main interest is in alchemy, and after having taken some fundamentals courses with teachers trained by Chia, and read some of his books, I have seen that michael’s methods and focus are significantly different; therefore, when I reference it, it was to say Michael’s interpretation of One Cloud’s methods as taught by Mantak Chia. But this…[Read more]

(Cultivation, i.e. winn’s daoist alchemy) >>”But it can be done without the complex intellectual model, obviously if we have immortals, they did it and did not have the complex intellectual terminology.”

I have heard this argument before, but to someone who practices One cloud/Winn’s alchemical methods it makes no sense because the methods…[Read more]

What constitutes something to be extreme enough to be eligible for remedial action?

>>”When you say ‘mind attachemnts’, do you mean Karma? If so, it is possible to keep the purity through the youth into the adulthood. Possible, but not probable. Your actions would probably create enough momentum to pull you into the web of attachments and suffering. It took Buddha many years to be free.”

Once a person has let go of all…[Read more]

Enjoy the Oneness and all of its dynamic change!

Why does it look like you have to say it like you are yelling?

>>”can you share where in the taoist cosmological models it shows Hun and Po separate and there is the loss for integration? By model I mean…”

“It’s all one”: Well yes, the original self is there all along, and separation and unification is a natural process, but combining and cooking is also choice, as is letting go, as is holding to the…[Read more]

“…lost opportunity for “soul completion”. This is the most ambigious of tao theory and to me,”

This is a discussion board after all. It seems like there are a number of missionary buddhists on the board as well. I think we as Daoists are trying to clarify and refine the cosmology, so the point is really to answer and discuss the questions…[Read more]

I think that prenatal Jing and Qi of the pure virtue qualities refers to the five phase aspects, and is different from Yuan Qi and Jing which can only be neutral and not polarized into the five phases. Although the pure, prenatal virtue qualities have harmonized the yin and yang aspects of their conditioned manifestation, and are definitely…[Read more]

I thought from a buddhist point of view that being in the physical realm caused the mind to have attachments to impermanent objects, and attachments caused reincarnation; so if one reincarnates in the physical realm without mind attachments, then there is not suffering from a buddhist point of view?

But is it possible to reincarnate or, to…[Read more]

If “spiritual luminance” means original shen, why doesn’t he say original shen?

If “innate jing” and “innate qi” means prenatal jing and qi, do you mean they are working in harmony with the postnatal shen at birth?

I think Liang is coming from a different Nei Dan school, as he uses the Hun and Po as the Yin and Yang shen, in the Five…[Read more]

only if you believe in reincarnation

>>”I understand what you are saying. To me personally, if the person needs to take a class to learn how to birth an ‘immortal embrio’, is he truly ready?”

depends on the person.

>>”How can we find reality if we have all the things blocking our sight?”

Why do you reject the 10,000 things as the cause of suffering? Learning to…[Read more]

By the way, what does “BTW” mean? I’m still not 100% hip to internet chat terminology.

>>”Original spirit is light with five colors”; is it then the pure virtue qualities or the harmonized neutral force (original spirit-yuan shen)?<<

*Yes, Original Spirit is Yuan Shen like I stated above.

If the original spirit is "yuan shen", is it the fused result of the five phases, which would not have the five colors any more (it…[Read more]

Your explanation clears up the meaning of what Liang is saying somewhat, but there are still a bunch of loose ends from my perspective.

I have only studied martial arts with Liang Shou-Yu, and have not taken his qigong classes. He is primarily a buddhist, and his main training and lineage come from Emei Shan, although he has studied with both Buddhists and Daoists, as there are teachers of Nei Dan from both traditions in China. Nei dan is in origin a daoist tradition.

I think…[Read more]