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singing ocean replied to the topic On Michael's opinion of Bodri and Nan in the forum General 18 years, 11 months ago
Hello,
Thanks for your thoughts. Whether or not anyone has received communications from celestial beings, it is important to remember that all Daoists that are revered as immortals (physical or spiritual) are human. We practice from a human tradition that reflects the changing cycles of nature here on earth (the five seasons etc.), yet those…[Read more]
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singing ocean replied to the topic On Michael's opinion of Bodri and Nan in the forum General 18 years, 11 months ago
>>I just think we should begin to separate myth, legend, fantasy from what we really know and our direct experience.<<
Direct experience is the best teacher, ultimately the story is of no consequence if it does not have any relation to our immediate experience. On that note, it doesn't really matter who created what and exactly how humans…[Read more]
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singing ocean replied to the topic On Michael's opinion of Bodri and Nan in the forum General 18 years, 11 months ago
>>There is no historical evidence of Huang Di/Yellow Emperor, his is a legendary person from a pre-histotic time frame,<>it is in the Shang Dyanasty the first historical evidence of writing in china existed.<>The Five Elements are from the Warring Period, the Later Chou Dyanasty, Yellow Emperor did not talk about them.<>I welcome a dialogue on…[Read more]
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singing ocean replied to the topic On Michael's opinion of Bodri and Nan in the forum General 18 years, 11 months ago
I am familiar with the commentary of Liu I ming who uses buddhist concepts in a taoist framwork.
I have also learned some meditation techniques from Quan Zhen Daoists in China (complete reality / complete perfection school) which closely resembled the methods of One Cloud. Maybe we should start a discussion on the Cantongqi (the triplex…[Read more]
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singing ocean replied to the topic On Michael's opinion of Bodri and Nan in the forum General 18 years, 11 months ago
White Skeleton Meditation
Start with your left big toe
Give away your flesh joyfully to the ghosts and spirits
Visualize that you are just a shiny, dazzling white (silver) skeleton
Visualize that your bones becoming dust and then emptiness — then forget your body & abandon all ideas of a having body or form (mentally let go of…[Read more] -
singing ocean replied to the topic On Michael's opinion of Bodri and Nan in the forum General 18 years, 11 months ago
Did you know that the dissolving skeleton practice is part of “the inner smile” meditation?
Could you tell us why Bodri discards the centuries (and millenia) of Daoist alchemical practice by saying it is “spinning empty wind qi?”.
Could also give us an idea of why Bodri’s advocates have been actively deriding Daoist alchemy on this board?…[Read more]
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singing ocean replied to the topic The Merit Thread in the forum General 18 years, 11 months ago
Could you give us an explanation of what merit is from your point of view?
It is easy to say its great and we should have it, but could you give us an idea of how it functions?
Is it similar to the Daoist idea of conscious/intelligent pure virtue qualities that manifest from an early heaven state out into the physical plane?
Is it…[Read more]
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singing ocean replied to the topic Lao Zi and Zhuang Zi on cultivation in the forum Practice 18 years, 11 months ago
I am disturbed at the implication that my eyes are closed, am I being accused or judged?
Is it being said that I am “walking in darkness”?
This does not sound like a virtuous statement, but maybe one that will gain merit from the ones who are “walking in the light”.
Anyway, I enjoy the dark and formless realms.
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singing ocean replied to the topic segue: post-modern spirituality in the forum General 18 years, 11 months ago
That is the difference between visualization and actualization, between mental body work and engaging the jing.
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singing ocean replied to the topic Lao Zi and Zhuang Zi on cultivation in the forum Practice 18 years, 11 months ago
>”If you don’t have desire, my advice is to force yourself to do good deeds until the merit from doing them will open your heart and then you will be doing it from your inner calling.”< (Max)
Someone can do "good deeds" but still have ego problems, abuse children etc.
Why not practice inner cultivation in the energy body and early heaven…[Read more]
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singing ocean replied to the topic Lao Zi and Zhuang Zi on cultivation in the forum Practice 18 years, 11 months ago
The title of the Daoist classic by Lao Zi (Lao Tzu), the Dao De Jing (Tao Te Jing) roughly translated is as follows: “way virtue classic”. In some early versions these words are inverted to read “Virtue way classic”.
Dao = Way
De = Virtue
This highlights the importance of cultivating the pure inner virtue qualities that manifest on an…[Read more]
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singing ocean replied to the topic segue: post-modern spirituality in the forum General 18 years, 11 months ago
“The safest strategy would be to merge with the flow of Life Force, not tring to lead it through visualizations/actualizations. It may sound like a good idea at first, but do you really think you can open the orbit by visualizing the energy flow through it?” (Max)
First, let us clarify a few terms here. Generally, a visualization is a dry…[Read more]
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singing ocean replied to the topic Meditation Expert in the forum General 18 years, 11 months ago
I would agree with that. well put.
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singing ocean replied to the topic For Hagar: taoism, buddhism, whatever in the forum General 18 years, 11 months ago
All the best in enjoying your practice!
Likewise, many daoist alchemists became famous poets and composers; sun bu-er being one of them (a woman).
Could you clarify what an “ancient Buddhist and Daoist Language” is? Or do you mean texts/terms?
So if Nan is such an enlightened fellow, and not merely a scholar, why does he “measure” all…[Read more]
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singing ocean replied to the topic For Hagar: taoism, buddhism, whatever in the forum General 18 years, 11 months ago
or is it just a head trip?
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singing ocean replied to the topic For Hagar: taoism, buddhism, whatever in the forum General 18 years, 11 months ago
Well Max, That was very poetic and nicely put.
I have also experienced very deep states through my own practice, sometimes standing qigong/alchemy for 2 hours or more outside in a nice park ๐ while connecting to internal planes and vibrations.
My big question to you, similar to what simon asked is what happens when you finish the…[Read more]
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singing ocean replied to the topic Meditation Expert in the forum General 18 years, 11 months ago
The nei yeh is all about meditation that can be understood by experience only.
It is clear what I am trying to accomplish, and I am not afraid to say it:
I am unveiling the fact that you are making grandiose unsubstantiated claims that you cannot back up even with texts on meditation.
Of course the real evidence lies in the result of…[Read more]
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singing ocean replied to the topic Meditation Expert in the forum General 18 years, 11 months ago
Maybe my mind is too fast for your inability to have a real discussion.
If I want your recommendations I will ask for them.
I would recommend to you to try and make peace with your inner vital organ shen, particularly the ones that are feeding your inflated mental body, and are making unsubstantiated claims.
Why should we believe you…[Read more]
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singing ocean replied to the topic Increasing chi to get faster results – Making your own mountain in the forum General 18 years, 11 months ago
J.J. Hurtak, the supposed finder of the underground cities, repudiated the claims made by Paul White, who publicly apologized and said he had originally written the article for a limited audience in a small town magazine.
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singing ocean replied to the topic Here is something new… in the forum General 18 years, 11 months ago
“One of my teachers who is endowed with super-powers as a result of his cultivation”
So, on the subject of plato’s new attempted methods of “usurping the new york city taoists” by posting his newest discoveries along with some slick marketing for Nan, which one of his teachers is it that has superpowers, and what might those be? On the subject…[Read more]
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