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March 20, 2009 at 11:38 am #29918taoistChristianParticipant
oh and one other reason
many teachers [I know Ron Diana [r.i.p.] was one of these – he did do ‘formulas’ at all.
In my and Minke’s experience it takes a minimum of an hour a day of meditation and around a 1/2 hr a day of movement to sustain the Kan and li process. How many h.tao instructors practice that often?
March 20, 2009 at 11:35 am #29916taoistChristianParticipantby ‘right’ I mean appropriate for their level of development.
Sometimes teachers get so enthused by new developments they forget to let their students come along naturally.
I know I have done this and i saw MW in 2004 introduce the wutang orbit method to a beginner class – and one willfulyoung pup then did exactly what MW warned him not to [hold the spinning orbit pearl over the heart. MW understandably dressed him down after the kid tried to justify it…but really, as I told michael – save it for more advanced mature groups…at least fusion or maybe even lesser.
March 20, 2009 at 11:31 am #29914taoistChristianParticipantI know one sr. teacher told me she regards michael’s innovations as ‘personal’ i.e. subjective and mantak chia’s as the original. I think I was to bewildered to respond as Chia has changed nearly everything at least once and often many, many times.
I was fortunate enough to first study kan and li with christer Ekstrom and minke deVos while on retreat at silent ground in 93. They got their transmission from doing zazen for 13 hrs a day and the alchemy literally exploded on them THEN they sought out chia to make sense of it.
Minke is now teaching with MW – so clearly she see’s his innovations as a natural progression.
personally – I think much of Chia’s methods are too fiery and [at least before he ‘introduced’ tao yin down-right dangerous unless opne had a solid connection with the body.
Chia had a few sources : white cloud, 2 iron shirt teachers and a healing love teacher, the rest was – as I understand martially oriented. MW has had chia and then he learned B.K.Frantzis water method and wisely softened up nearly everything.
Michael also provides a moving form for almost every level – chia not.
What Chia did is amazing – bring nei-tan and nei-gung to the west and teaching openly, but in my not so humble opinion, Minke and Michael are the cutting edge, due to greater balance of body emotions and mind.
Another thing that puzzles me bout Master Chia is that he seems to revise the forms based on what works for him – or what gets workshop results faster – neither to me are wise choices for revising practices.
Faster is rarely better and more complex often loses the essence. Compare Awaken Healing Energy [what I learned the smile and orbit from in 1985] and the newer awaken healing light…
If you make it your own it WILL change, the question is do you know why and can you transmit the right methods to your students.
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