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49 Days to reincarnate? Evolutionary Time Droplets–> a 260 Day Tzolkin Gestational Seed?

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  • May 26, 2008 at 12:47 am #28391
    Intelligence
    Participant

    wondering if anyone has thoughts on “time” as it’s own barometer…

    in other words…

    what if any event occurring in our space and time is actually a complete package which unfolds in time as part of a “seed” occurrence..

    this would be like a 49 day reincarnation cycle where the 49 days are part of a “magick square of 7×7”..

    or a gestational cycle where the whole event requires 260 days to unfold in time..

    here the sperm egg fusion must complete something like a set number of revolutions to fully unfold in space out of “eternity”…

    in other words… time may not function as we expect fro other dimensional perspectives, but, in our own space, has a cyclical, spin, and radially based symmetry within “time” as we experience it that is it’s own phenomenon…

    so, looking at evolving organisms.. I suggest we look at time cycles for completion, and highly suspect that what we are seeing are chemical, electric, and biological inversions where each successive time cycle as a complete entity somehow nests within other time cycles…

    this appears to be the basis of the tzolkin…

    May 26, 2008 at 12:49 am #28392
    Intelligence
    Participant

    i am suggesting here that each new stage requires that it’s entire cycle of completion somehow “fits” the other complete cycles within which it is embedded or supporting…

    at atomic, molecular and biological levels where the overarching gauage is spherical/radial symmetry

    May 26, 2008 at 12:51 am #28394
    Intelligence
    Participant
    May 26, 2008 at 2:15 pm #28396
    Steven
    Moderator

    To measure time is merely to count the peaks
    of a spatial oscillation. Any event can
    be measured by starting with an initial phase
    and then doing the count–stopping when you
    notice the final phase.

    How else can a measurement be performed to
    record the depth of a given evolution?

    One must be very careful in these types of
    thoughts to avoid them from becoming self-referential.

    For instance, the seemingly logical question,
    “how fast does time flow?”, is nonsensical because
    it is self-referential.

    S

    May 28, 2008 at 5:42 pm #28398
    Intelligence
    Participant

    i am talking about a 4d seed unfolding in 3d space.. but, in augment,

    evolving 4d seeds made evident by 3d progression

    May 28, 2008 at 5:45 pm #28400
    Intelligence
    Participant

    regeardless of whether space-time-gravity is a continous “seedable field”

    or some other phenomenon without the time-space simultaneity

    June 1, 2008 at 11:45 pm #28402
    Steven
    Moderator

    As I said in the previous post:

    To measure time is merely to count the peaks
    of a spatial oscillation.
    —-

    There is no way of knowing whether any time occurrence
    as we see it has any higher dimensional significance.
    You can start your time measurement at any initial point
    and any final point to get an elapsed time–it is only your
    mind that has chosen to pick an initial time and a final time
    as significant due to some perceived importance, or some attempt
    to discretize what is naturally a continuous phenomenon.

    For instance, in your 260 day gestation cycle, what is
    so special about a “day”. It is merely a peak of spatial
    oscillation. There are others. The counting of other spatial
    oscillations may show no significance. If you consider all
    possible spatial oscillations, the best you can say is that you
    have an event with a finite discrete time lapse.

    OK, big deal. There are a lot of things with a finite discrete time
    lapse. The time it takes day to turn to night and back again due
    the Earth rotation for instance–there are many others. Moreover,
    the only reason why we even have an apparent discrete time lapse
    is because we have (arbitrarily) decided to attribute meaning to
    a particular spatial oscillation. That’s it.

    As for something being special because the number of oscillations
    happens to be a multiple of another is mere coincidence. You can
    always pick your spatial oscillation counter so that this can happen,
    especially if you are somewhat imprecise on the time axis.

    Once more, if you pick some discrete amount of elapsed time for some
    event–again the beginning and ending are somewhat arbitrary, only
    really chosen by your mind–and you ask if this caused by some 4-D spark,
    then you are asking an unknowable question. It is like being in a sealed
    train car traveling on a railroad track with perfectly smooth shocks and
    asking if the train is in motion. Are we still? Are we moving? If we
    are moving in relation to the outside, what is moving us? Is some outside
    event causing us to move or to be still? Answer to all of these is that
    it is impossible to know.

    Of course, this previous paragraph is really just to humor you, because
    everything is a continuous process. You can’t discretize. It is only
    an artifact of the mind. It’s like being in a pitch black room, lighting
    a candle, and asking if it is still dark. It still is, so you light another
    one. You keep lighting candles. How many candles does it take before the
    room is no longer classified as being dark? 69? 70? If 69 is still dark, and
    70 is not dark, what is the significance of the 70th candle? Can you pinpoint
    the exact moment when it changes from dark to light? You see: it is just
    an arbitrary assignment by the mind.

    Thus my comment in the previous post has more content than
    you previously considered:

    To measure time is merely to count the peaks
    of a spatial oscillation.

    In other words, you can measure time–a bizarre notion in itself–but
    any observable “event” that has an apparent “start” and “end” is purely
    a construct of the mind. Nothing has a sharp start and a sharp end
    really once you strip away prejudices of the mind. Once you realize that
    then you realize that there really isn’t anything that can even be considered
    “an event”.

    All there is is change, and the mind’s attempt to take frozen snapshots
    to try to view the continuum as a broken disjointed sequence of happenings,
    as opposed to the continuous uninterrupted flow that it is.

    Steven

    June 2, 2008 at 2:02 am #28404
    Intelligence
    Participant

    perhaps more deep thoughts….

    yuck, yuck, barf gag, chuckle chuckle

    somehow you seem to be missing my point…

    if you take any “cycle” that is a “complete” occurence…

    and then say, hmm, what if the whole cycle unpacked out of a single 4d seed…

    it’s beginning and end being preplanned as two halves of the seed,

    then how would things evolve?

    well one could look at successive “cycles” or organisms, or cells.. or planetary “spheres”…

    June 2, 2008 at 2:19 am #28406
    Steven
    Moderator

    I understand your point quite well . . .

    “Complete” is a mental fabrication.
    Beginning and ending are purely constructs of the mind; there
    is no discretization.

    In fact, I’ve already answered your question.
    Go back and reread my posts and meditate on them.

    If you still don’t get it, then let me make things simple for you:
    the answer is NO.

    S

    June 2, 2008 at 3:50 pm #28408
    Intelligence
    Participant

    take two seconds and think about it..

    your argument is absurd..

    you are taking a flat oscilloscope and comparing it to rich third dimensional compressions…

    this is naive..

    how can you fail to see nested cycles of completion?

    this is elementary biology..

    like mitochondrial bacteria cycling within cellular muta-genesis

    June 2, 2008 at 8:54 pm #28410
    Steven
    Moderator

    It’s an oscillation–nothing more. Your brain is trying
    to make something out of nothing. What you are seeing
    is JUST change, that’s it–that’s all it ever was.

    Things aren’t so damn complicated as you’re making them.
    They are quite simple actually.

    You need to sit and meditate on the nature of time, because
    with all due respect, you don’t understand it all.

    S

    June 3, 2008 at 1:07 am #28412
    Intelligence
    Participant
    June 3, 2008 at 5:20 pm #28414
    Steven
    Moderator

    You can make a calendar of almost any number of days and then
    using simple mathematics create a sieve where you can use
    it as an almanac. This is not hard to do.

    Why not use 130 days instead of 260? You can create the
    same predictions just by doubling up for instance.

    Or since we have 10 fingers, why not just use 13?
    All predictions are just a tenfold increase;
    moreover 13 IS A PRIME! Ooh boy. Lets make a calendar
    of 13 day-weeks. Then 28 of these weeks form 364 days, and
    we can call the remaining day, a HOLY DAY, or something.
    Then using different clever manipulations I can use this
    calendar for various predictions also. Big deal.

    The measurement is not important.

    All there is is change. There is nothing more.

    Trying to discretize time into some block–or set of blocks–is just a
    pathetic attempt to try to create a fixed snapshot of
    something that is in a continuous unrelenting flow.

    Or is the simple idea of continuous unrelenting change
    without fixed blocks too horrifying a concept?

    S

    June 3, 2008 at 8:35 pm #28416
    Intelligence
    Participant

    the tzolkin is anything but..

    it IS based on 4d sets similar to what I am talking about…

    but I am not sure if it is the correct approach..

    by analyzing living systems we may figure out if the 260 day tzolkin embedding of 4d seeds is genuine…

    if you don’t know what that means then figure it out

    June 4, 2008 at 2:55 pm #28418
    Steven
    Moderator
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