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August 1, 2007 at 1:20 am #23164StevenModeratorAugust 1, 2007 at 10:07 am #23166DogParticipant
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August 1, 2007 at 10:15 pm #23168DogParticipantYou might want to look at some of your judgements. You let me know if you do not want any more advice in the future. I just assume since your posting publicly.
August 1, 2007 at 10:28 pm #23170baguaParticipantAre you referring to me Dog? I welcome any dialogue on my posts.
bagua
August 1, 2007 at 10:51 pm #23172DogParticipantI also believe theres an ego but that ego is not the ego that is Steven. But the Steven is not the same Steven he was five years ago death is just a little more extreme. Now this I I believe is a Tri and beyound that, mystery. The difernce between being a little ball of light at what ever dimension and Steven is big. Yes the ball of light is still there but the controlling aspect of the whole self that was steven is gone and a new driver is in place. This is extreme change, this is death. I think we must take time to digest that life and then we try again. Now the resonace of that life that was steven is still there so is the wisdom so you might be able to interface with it in a maner that might speak to you but you could also just download the wisdom feel aswell. I think allot of people confuse the human interface with the totality of the being. But I feel it is more of just a way we can understand. Like are shen producing a dream interface. Well that was more then I intended. Fun waxing philosophical with you chaps late ta.
August 3, 2007 at 5:44 am #23174StevenModeratorI see what you guys are saying, and I think there is some merit to it.
As I once mentioned in a previous post, in my vision
upon death I have viewed our beings as persisting on
as a small ball of light with some substance that then converges
with a massive loving ball of light.Due to an indesirability of merging with it, and due to
boredom/curiosity on our part, we decide to leave and restart
a new physicality on Earth with a new life. Cycling again and
again, this persists until our essence has evolved and changed
enough so that ultimately our merging with the great ball of
light becomes desirable and reflects no real change on our part.How this vision becomes compatible with the taoist soul/spirit
assemblage viewpoint, I have yet to reconcile.It may well be that upon death our soul/spirit team scatters,
but some core part of us remains. Then, when we decide to become
physical again, we call upon a new team–and perhaps the
team that we call is the team that we believe at the time
will provide us with the greatest opportunity for growth
and learning.If through some sort of spiritual advancement–for instance,
birthing the immortal fetus–we create a vessel to keep
our team together upon death, then maybe we chart a new
path for ourselves in such a way that we leave this particular
cycling pattern and instead leave to go off and do other
things in higher dimensions.It is a real mystery . . .
Steven
August 3, 2007 at 12:13 pm #23176NnonnthParticipantBecause the ‘we’ that must take time to digest the life after we die – what ‘we’ is it?!
All I personally know for sure is that there is an immortal Steven – heh sorry Steven 🙂 – and that he is multipally incarnated. The closer you get to that immortal self even when you’re in your body, the more you recognise it. Naturally it doesn’t have the ego in terms of all the concepts that run an animal driving it but it does for sure have the memories of the experiences – it sees them from outside that’s all and there is no threat of not physically surviving so the perspective is way different. It does still have an ego, in the sense that has an ‘I’ concept, it has an ‘itself’ as an entity that it feels is ‘me’ but this is composed of something like a huge mandala of incarnations.
I don’t think it’s cut-and-dried that a ‘whole new driver’ is in place when you die therefore, although I know what you are saying, but to me it’s more like, how new the driver is or feels after you die depends on how close you were to the immortal self when you were alive. It’s a fuzzy edge you could be very aware of that self even while you were eating a donut. 🙂 It’s all about how reconciled you are to yourself if you want to put it that way, that’s how it seems to me. j
August 3, 2007 at 12:15 pm #23178NnonnthParticipantAugust 3, 2007 at 12:21 pm #23180baguaParticipantHi Steven:
Nice post, i have offered some views below some of your comments.
Due to an indesirability of merging with it, and due to
boredom/curiosity on our part, we decide to leave and restart
a new physicality on Earth with a new life.
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We are always part of the whole, every taoist teaching presents this. It is only ego and intellect/Yi that is rooted in patterns and imprtints that creates the illusion that we are separate. We are always part of the whole.How this vision becomes compatible with the taoist soul/spirit assemblage viewpoint, I have yet to reconcile. It may well be that upon death our soul/spirit team scatters, but some core part of us remains. Then, when we decide to become
physical again, we call upon a new team–and perhaps the team that we call is the team that we believe at the time will provide us with the greatest opportunity for growth and learning.
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We have a Yuan Shen, it is immortal, eternal, this can not die, it can not scatter.
From a chinese view every aspect of life has a spirit, so it is not so special that you have five yin organ systems and they house “spirits”, which on one live is just the acknowlegement your body, its organs, its substances are alive, these spirits are just life force, not like separate spirits apart from you, but aspects of your consiousness, aspects of your senses, its a metaphor for the variations of senses and ways we experience.If through some sort of spiritual advancement–for instance,
birthing the immortal fetus–we create a vessel to keep
our team together upon death, then maybe we chart a new
path for ourselves in such a way that we leave this particular
cycling pattern and instead leave to go off and do other
things in higher dimensions.
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You are immortal now, you are the vessel, one one level cycling can be viewed as the natural endless flows of the Tao, it never stops, ever.We just need to become aware of what already exists. If the version of Taoist Alchemy presented here is an effective way to reach that state wonderful, if not try another method or process or change the process when the timing is correct.
Tao Teh Ching clearly states we are part of the whole, we are inseparable from the whole, and presents to list the many ways our “resouces”, senses, intellect, desires can create the illusion we are not, Tao practices are a way for you to direcly realize this unity and live from this space.
Complex process generally reasonate well to complex minds, eventually all methods turn into a very simple process, simple methods, lets not mistake a complex process for the truth, hopefully it will help some along their unfolding, its not necessary for all.
regards,
August 3, 2007 at 3:55 pm #23182StevenModerator“All I personally know for sure is that there is an immortal Steven – heh sorry Steven :)”
I don’t mind being referenced as an abstract, especially when it is referenced
as being immortal 🙂Big smiles,
StevenAugust 3, 2007 at 3:58 pm #23184StevenModeratorAugust 3, 2007 at 4:47 pm #23186StevenModeratorI agree that the apparent separation is just an illusion, but
it is a powerful illusion!Our own ego and mind at its core can not accept that we are not
unique and distinct. This generates enough fear and uncertainty
to prevent a complete merging in the beyond with the overarching
ball of light.While part of the reason for returning to Earth is missing
the physicality and for boredom reasons, most of it is
due to “not feeling ready” to unite due to strong residual
feelings of being unique and distinct.While it is certainly possible to spiritual progress enough
to allow for integration after ONE lifetime, more often
than not several lifetimes are needed for many reasons:1. Ego/mind needs time to get used to the idea.
2. By making comparisons between lifetimes, the self can
intuit the commonality between them and more easily
accept what is at the core.3. Physicality is fun; the self usually needs several
cycles to get tired of it.We are here for a reason. Physicality is providing
information to the source that can not easily be obtained
through other means. It is the laboratory, if you will,
that provides the scientific experiments necessary to
provide data and information back to the source.We are placed in a state of relative disconnection from
the source because, like any lab technician, distractions
skew results and partially diminish the use in being here.The irony is that while we are here, a stronger connection
to the source is EXACTLY we desire.In reality, what we want is our cake and to eat it too.
In other words, we want to be in a state of consciousness
where we are slightly less physical, feel a much stronger
direct connection to the source, and yet still have the
opportunity to be physical and carry out our tasks
without too much distraction.Due to this strong desire by more and more people
over human history–especially a LOT more so
in recent times–I think that the source is responding
by beginning a process by which our reality and
consciousness is shifting toward this state that
we desire. Moreover, I believe we may see a transformation
of this model in the not too distant future . . .Peace,
StevenAugust 3, 2007 at 7:05 pm #23188DogParticipantI believe there is a potential for an imortal steven that he could resonate to birthing it out of the vastness of potential. This is the stearing I am talking about. If you work on regaining(uncovering) your humanity it helps in this process because then your chooses would be guide by the virtues of your humanity. This for me is the importance of the inner smile. It adds your humanity to your practice. The balance of being individual and collective. When steven is gone he is no longer human. Then most things I see are collective. Killing thousands to stimulate compassion around the world is not uncommon for the spirit world to do. Those lifes will be used and your ming will be complete. You served the collective and you returned to the collective. This is also what I believe about most abduction by Aliens. Aliens do not honner the fact that most people are not aware of there ming. That there whole being is not on the same page. I believe allot of these Aliens just go by what the abducty soul sighned them up for. So agian its work untill you get all your parts moving together. resistance = work. I think this human interface was desighned to deal with problems inbalances that the collective could not deal with in there state. Does any one remember the Q from Star Trek. That was a great show. Great commints from all. Enjoying the reading.
August 3, 2007 at 7:07 pm #23190baguaParticipantOur own ego and mind at its core can not accept that we are not
unique and distinct. This generates enough fear and uncertainty
to prevent a complete merging in the beyond with the overarching
ball of light.
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This is the problem, the ego is not capable of experiencing our yuan shen, it is a small tool, like your foot or fingers of nose or ears, you would not elevate them or become attached to them as our true self, your yuan self.Cultivation allows Yuan Shen to unfold, ego can never figure it out or accept we are unified, its function is to seperate and distinguish, no matter how sophisticated the theory, it can never fully experience the whole. Cultivation is not ego based, eventually ego and intellect are seen as a tool like fingers, toes, hands, etc. From the space of Yuan, the ego is seen as it is, no more, no less.
bagua
August 5, 2007 at 9:34 am #23192loesParticipantIs there only one way? I wonder… Aren’t all ways the same way anyway?
The way I see it at the moment, there is only my way. That is the way that works for me and suits my needs. It provides my self with the experience it needs to grow and progress. Listening to my needs is essential in that process. I need to do what I need to do.
Looking back upon this and past lives it seems my self needs all the experience life has to offer. So maybe it just must experience poverty, wealth, sickness, health, love, war, murder, rape, friendship, being a parent and being a child, being either man, woman or something in between… So many possibilities to explore!
And maybe that is our way to become a whole. By integrating all these experiences into one. Thus creating more oneness?
This point of view makes me reluctant to want to change other peoples lives and attitudes. What suits my needs does not have to suit others, because they need a different experience for their selves.
It also gives a whole new perspective on what is right and what is wrong.
For now I only know what is right and wrong for me and even about that I am not allways sure.
Any ideas?
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