July 4, 2009 at 4:14 am #31796
Now I finally found something I can fit in with and no matter what I will now use Winn’s (not Chia’s) formulae as my suprastructure just as Winn did his Atlantean, Celtic, Dzogchen, hindu practices.
-General: Fajin, 2006-02-03
I have got impression that Healing Tao USA has quite deep relationship with ‘Atlantean tradition,’ but my idea about it is very hazy.
I also have understood that Michael Winn is writing book about in the moment.
My question is simply can somebody give me any reference (books, internet links etc.) where to get further.
CHJuly 4, 2009 at 2:07 pm #31797
Michael has posted some things about it. From what I understand, he had/has contact with one or more Atlantean guides. I think he breifly mentioned it in his recent Easter/Spring Equinox newsletter, and he posted something about a Hawk somewhere too. I think he referred to it as “Horus returns as a Hawk?”, or something along those lines. It may have been in his “A Stroke of Love” posting.
I think his Atlantean guide sometimes takes a bird form, perhaps like a half-bird half-human Egyptian god. Take a look through the Articles section, although it probably won’t be mentioned in the title. also try typing these into google:
maybe try with healingtaousa.com too.
I hope I didn’t misrepresent anything by too much on here, and I also hope Michael posts a response too.
RyanJuly 6, 2009 at 4:20 am #31799
I have finished this book, but need to choose a print on demand company and get final layout and subchapter titles done. I may work on it in August….but the book is mostly history and theory, not practice – which is why I put it on backburner. The essential practices are already incorporated in my trainings.
michaelJuly 6, 2009 at 7:50 pm #31801
C Howdy, I also wanted to say something about the little bit I’ve gathered about what Atlantean tradition, or at least how we speak of it here, “is”.
It seems that Atlantean Alchemical techniques are more Fire-oriented than Daoist techniques. It also seems that there has been much externalized Atlantean alchemical technology. For instance, Michael often refers to free-energy devices as Neo-Atlantean (see the science section of the Articles page for related articles). If you look in the Philosophy section, I had made a post a while back of an interview with David Wilcock where he talks a lot about such technologies.
There’s also sometimes discussion of Atlantis and Lemuria, and how Lemuria was more watery.
I hope that’s helped somehow.
RyanJuly 6, 2009 at 8:01 pm #31803
Michael, thank you for your recent postings. Can you recommend any resources (books, etc.) on Celtic cultivation techniques like those you studied, or similar traditions. I’m interested in history, theory, and practice.
RyanJuly 7, 2009 at 7:03 am #31805
WOW! This is very interesting to me as my father, in the 60’s, trained with a group of Christian mystics who had a style of alchemy based more on fire and light techniques. They tempered it with earth energy but it was mainly all fire exercises. They called the beginning practices “Baptizm By Fire”. It involves “calling down the light of heaven” and the energy that is created is not Yuan Qi but the Light of the Kristos. Basically the end result is to take on the Krist conciousness and energy body, they call that “taking on the masters mantle”. They beleived that all men and women had the potential to be like Christ or like Mary. They also veiwed the joining of man and woman as the joining of Heaven and Earth. The final result would be the creation of a body of light which would be used to assend into heaven, and to travel back and forth to earth to instill the teaching of the Kristos. Sounds kinda familiar huh? Anyway thanks for the insight as it helps me to further understand the practices my father uses and what he taught me when I was really young. Until next time,
Peace and Tao,
ShenchiJuly 7, 2009 at 8:00 am #31807
The Western notion of soul walk-in is when some entity walks into you from points unknown, displacing and/or appropriating the body and aspects of the personality for it’s own mission…in the King’s Chamber of the Great Pyramid, the Atlantean guide performing the ceremony showed up (for those with the Eye to see) in the form of a human body with the head of Horus, the Falcon-Headed One.
-General: Michael Winn, 2009-01-06
I have already got used to that dichotomy there exists between scientific description of the past and various myths and legends (symbolic) of the things of the past.
Anyway my immediate personal theoretical ideas relating to Atlantis somehow come from Rudolf Steiner (very western). It’s bit surprising that Steiner wanted that Alfred Wegener’s theory of continental drift (proposed around 1915) should be taught in Waldorf school although (Steiner passed away 1925) it became valid scientific theory decades later. Atlantis should anyway be continent which disappeared if one takes what is related by Plato in Timaeus and Critias.
It’s evident that for practice itself one doesn’t need history, but through taking look at the history one can maybe process some difficult moral or ethical questions.
Also there are seemingly some deep questions concerning evolution at different levels.
I’m following as closely as is practical how certain things are taught (inner alchemy) in Healing Tao because I face that situation which everybody has to face who wants to make some development in the sense of yoga/inner alchemy: how much tradition, example and teaching one needs from outside.
In my opinion what Michael has said about new age notice of walk-in and in general that human being is not any appendage for some spiritual entity, is very daring.
It’s not necessarily blasphemy, but it’s surely in that direction. And this goes near to that other thing: body-centered practice. This starts to arouse just those Biblical ideas in the mind which one quite involuntarily learnt as a child. All these things are dealed of course with much greater amount of detail in the Urantia Book. This heathen versus biblican is one of the keys.
Thank you very much Ryan for some of the hints. I mean those ancient technology/ alchemy things. There is still very much to digest for me.
Photos of their members invariably reveal the same qualities: thick bull necks, massive forearms, tattoos of fierce Vikings, Nazi lightning bolts, and a distinctive Celtic shamrock enclosed in the claws of swastika with ‘666’ branded on it’s petals. Some have knit caps pulled low over their eyes; many sport peculiar, walruslike mustaches more befitting Civil War soldiers and Old West outlaws. They have whimsical, cartoon-derived nicknames and their eyes are invariably intense and defiant, glaring right through the camera and down the throats of anyone who looks at their picture.
-MATTHEW DUERSTEN, Who’ll Stop the Reign?July 8, 2009 at 10:43 am #31809
Book does offer a timeline and description of early hominids, and location and timeline of Atlantis going back several hundred thousand years. This is a topic I have investigated closely. Most time dating done currently is based on radio-carbon dating. According to my source, a scientist priest from Atlantis who lived to the age of 2300 years, this science is not accurate because it relies on exposure to sunlight. He claims that earth had a cloud cover around it until recently (50000 years).
-GENERAL: Michael Winn, 2005-10-16
I thank you very much Ryan about your postings for me.
When I went through some of the material concerning D. Wilcock I immediately associated him with Richard C. Hoagland whom I don’t myself regard very high…and yes there is really connection. I have impression that they are both such guys who don’t much impress “professional” audience, but I try to still further digest the material and cultivate my views.
baabaaabbbaaaaaabbaaabaabbaaab/CHJuly 8, 2009 at 11:28 pm #31811
Just in case you need options for print on demand:
Looking forward to reading the book when it is available!
MattJuly 9, 2009 at 4:11 pm #31813
Hey C Howdy,
I don’t fully endorse David Wilcock or everything he said, the interview that i posted of him was actually my first exposure to him. Some of the stuff he said in their i disagreed with, and I also disagree with some of the stuff on his website, particularly some of his political views and idea about the “illuminati”. But regardless, I think he does present a lot of very good information.
RyanJuly 9, 2009 at 4:25 pm #31815
That’s very interesting to hear about your father and his practices, they sound very Cabalic. Has he taught you any of the meditations? Have you shown him Daoist alchemy? I also noticed you spelled Krist with a “K”, did they come from Turkey? I think I had read before that there was a religion that used the word Krist (with a “K”) before modern Christianity, very old, and called Kristianity. although Kristianity is obviously an English-like word so there was probably some translation. The article related this spelling to the North Pole and Turkey, but it was a long time ago when I read this, and I don’t remember it very well, i might not have even read it in depth…
Thanks for sharing that information, Shenchi.
RyanJuly 9, 2009 at 9:21 pm #31817
I have talked with my father about about Taoist Alchemy and he is glad that I am involved in a spiritual tradition with such strong mystical practices, though he pretty much set in his ways. As far as the use of a K for spelling Kristos, or Krist it is hard to say where it came from. The tradition itself claims to be pre-Catholic and even pre-Bizatene. They claim that their lineage comes directly from Thomas, the brother of Jesus. Thomas eventually went to India to teach so it is hard to say where the Alchemy came from. The tradition also claims some connection with the Essenes (Assenes). So it is hard to say where the Alchemy comes from for sure or why they spell Kristos or Krist with a K. I know that the man is often referred to as Christ but his consciousness is referred to as Krist or Kristos so it might just be a way of denoting the difference between the man and the consciousness that he embodied. Remember that they did not believe that Christ was the one and only son of God, they believed he was teaching a way for humans to become divine and bring heaven and earth together to produce paradise on earth.
I have a feeling that the Alchemy is probably a mix of Kabalistic and Indian traditions, with maybe some Egyption stuff in there. According to the tradition the teachings were kept secret for a very long time and the order was secretive but had devotees from India to Europe; so it is hard to say where it came from for sure and what influenced what. I also know that according to the tradition once someone has realized the Krist consciousness it reveals the process to you. It sounds almost like the whole system and all the teachings are downloaded and the person you were becomes an expression of that consciousness and teachings. It is an almost spontaneous realization of the teachings. It is kind of like when a yogi passes his teachings on with a touch and the student is able to resight sacred texts without ever have learning them. Which makes it seem Indian influenced as that is supposed to be what the later stages of the practices are like, though many traditions claim the same type of spontaneous realization so it is hard to say.
Anyway I think, like a lot of these traditions, it is very hard to trace their lineages for sure. To make matters worse Alchemy has so many Universal or elementary aspects that cross traditions it is difficult to pipoint where it all started and what influenced what. What the tradition itself claims is an Indian, Essene influence, other than that it is hard to say for sure.
Thanks for the response Ryan,
Peac & Tao
ShenchiJuly 13, 2009 at 9:46 am #31819
OK, we get it, your infatuated with my ass, I am just not into man on man ass lovin’, it’s ok if thats what you like, it’s just not my thing. Now go back to your coop and pick up a boy who’s into that, you chicken hawk you. I am sure there are plenty of them at your gym to choose from. Now I know it’s hard for you to do, but please keep my body parts off your mind or at least quit posting about how much you want my body, it’s just not appropriate on this site. Now go find a peg boy to play with you mongaloid pirate you, ARRRRR!
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