May 21, 2005 at 8:08 pm #5839
I am interested in accupuncture schools. I heard from a number of people that many of these “TCM” schools are not very respetable, as they were set up by the Chines government…etc…
So, I would like to find a serious school. Do you know of any? Where to look?May 21, 2005 at 11:47 pm #5840
jungtao. They teach a more classical style of acupuncture. What is cool is that they have training one week a month over a 4 year course. http://www.jungtao.com
then you should consider getting training with dr. tan & david twicken.
and do not forget the Japanese style acupuncture advocated by Miki Shima.
But this is all extra training.
Before I forget. Tung style acupuncture should be considered as well in your training…
HarryMay 22, 2005 at 12:20 pm #5842
I seriously suggest you check out the swedish institute in NYC, Jeffery Yuen is the dean and a teacher. He is one of the most unique Taoist Teachers of chinese medicine in the world, this includes china, etc. If I was to do it all over again I would be stay close to him.
davidMay 22, 2005 at 12:58 pm #5844
> the swedish institute in NYC, Jeffery Yuen is the dean and a teacher. He is one of the most unique Taoist Teachers of chinese medicine in the world, >
Just to chime in,
From those I know, Jeffrey Yuen is very, very highly regarded.May 22, 2005 at 2:33 pm #5846
I took Jeffrey’s three year herbology (& much acupuncture) training when I lived in NYC, even though I had no interest in opening a clinic. He’s really the only one around offering in depth classical chinese medicine, although I think Heiner Freuhauf’s school of OM and Naturopathy in Portland Oregon is running on a parallel track, and has a qigong dept. taught by Wu Zhongxian.
Li Jun Feng was running a medical qigong dept in Austiin as well, possibly worht checking out.
If you want to hear jeffrey give a talk, I’ve arranged for him to be keynote at the National Qigong Association in Boulder friday eve July 29, 2005. see nqa.org. the Topic is Qigong as a mehtod of spiritual cultivation. His grandfather was a taoist and allegedly lived to 108 years. Jeffrey has a small temple in Brooklyn and is lineage Taoist priest. He also runs a free clinic in NYC.May 22, 2005 at 5:54 pm #5848
When I was looking into Asheville, NC, I noticed that the Chinese medical college there, DaoistTraditions.com, has Jeffrey Yuen on their board.
Btw, “Traditional” Chinese Medicine (TCM) is a term that the Chinese government came up with to denote their version of Chinese medicine – as it survived in their view after the “Cultural Revolution”. TCM has been standardized, but it has also been stripped of some of its deeper philisophical under-pinnings (Taoism).
People are using the term “Classical Chinese Medicine” to refer to Chinese medicine with the philosophy more intact.
..not that there’s only two varieties. Many styles, specialties, etc., but these are two major terms that you’ll see pop up.May 22, 2005 at 8:14 pm #5850
Jeffrey primarly teaches acupuncturists and students of Acupuncture, Why? Because one needs a strong base in the fundamentals of Chinese Medicine, all schools offer the foundation. He then takes that and shows unique ways of looking at those relationships and offers unique ways to apply them.
I personally dont think he teaches Classical Chinese Medicine if by that it is some teaching that was common pre-1949, I dont think what he offers was ever public or common whenever it was created. There are too many people who came to this country and Taiwan before 1949 and never heard of his applications. It is rooted in the classics but he applies it diffenently than most. Most chinese doctors never heard of what he presents, and some are old, pre-1949. So i think it is a mistake to view it as the lost classical chinese medicine practiced by the majority of practioners.
Im not sure if at his school they teach his system, i have heard he teaches some advance classes, so I would ask them and be specific about the question.
hope this is of some benefit,
davidMay 22, 2005 at 9:33 pm #5852
Thank you for the clarifications.
My knowledge on this is 2nd hand.May 22, 2005 at 9:53 pm #5854
Jeffrey comes down to Asheville up to four times a year to teach at the
Daoist Tradition School run by one of jeffrey’s devoted fans, Cissy Majebe.
There are two acupuncture schools, her is the newest and most spiritual.
But I would add only one warning to anyone who is thinking of going to acupuncture school in order to learn about Chinese energetics – it is not the best education for that.
Go to acupuncture school only if you know you want to be treating people in a clinical setting with herbs and needles. If that is not your motivation, you are better off studying qiogng and neidangong to get a classical daoist education (try Healing Tao University for starters….:))
michaelMay 23, 2005 at 4:09 am #5856
I have never even received an accupunture treatment before (I will soon) but nonetheless I am interested in it as an occupation because it is the only accepted mainstream occupation/path related to my interests that I could follow, being assured a solid income in the future.
I have heard that qigong (internal/external) however, is MORE powerful than accupuncture therapy. If this is true, I do not see why I should not follow the qigong and neidangong path, instead!? No?
I would love to get a classical daoist education through the Healing Tao University and others–“…:)”? haha…?? But my only concern, of course (and honestly, its not my concern, its really my parent’s valid concern) is that this is a very non-traditional path today, in America, of course. They are concerned that I am not assured to find success/income in such a way. I realize that if I am able to study with the best teachers in the world, (mantak chia, winn, others???) I should have zero problems having “success” and being able to support myself/a family in the future. In theory, this makes sense? In reality, is it practical?
So I guess my question is: What is the next step? Let me get some psychic energy here, please! 🙂May 23, 2005 at 9:47 am #5858
since when are traditional paths better. humanity would never evolve if we all just stay traditional. look at the great people who have lived–artists, writers, politicians, scientists–who of them was traditional? traditional is another word for mediocre. if that’s what you want, fine. but if what you want is to fulfill your destiny to its fullest, then do that.May 23, 2005 at 11:45 am #5860
There is no assurance to most things in life. Most graduates of Acupuncture do not practice after five years, they can not make a living. It is like any profossion, some succeed, most are mediocre and many just survive.
I suggest you do not take Qi Gong as a primary profession, learn it and do it on the side and if it grows into a profession, great, if not you benefited as gaining a great self-healing practice and can help others. I have seen many people create too much pressure wanting to teach and promote themselves and they loose sight of their original goal.
In a way healing tao is an umbrella, most all teachers, including M. Chia study with many others or study their works and include it in their teachings. It is very interesting that many of the HT people around for a long time also include other traditons, buddhist, tibetan, hundu, native americian, etc.
Whether qi gong is more powerful than acupuncture? I suppose there are some qi gong people highly skilled and better than acupuncturists. But I dont think it is realistic to beleive all can do that. Life is not fair and all are not equal in skill. I do think that studying some acupuncture theory is very beneficial to any qi gong practioner or healer, it allows one to gain access to understanding the energetics others do not have and in my view opens a whole new level to understanding nei dan.
davidMay 23, 2005 at 2:14 pm #5862
Just a bit for you…
I’ve recently done a series of accupucture treatments for the first time in conjuction with herbal treatments from the same practitioner. The accupucturist/herbalist has 20 years of experince, and is highly reguarded by many people. I went to him because a freinds daughter, always sees and ancient sage with him as he is practicing his medicine. That presence is certainly felt.
The first thing i noticed is that i really do not like having needles stuck in me! I hear everyone has differnt reactions but this was often very painful and always uncomfortable. The second thing i notice is that the treatments were helping but really did not go deep enough. It was a nice local surface treatment but it lacked the level if depth that i have experinced with entergetic treatments. The treatments helped the symtoms but did not really dig into the core problem. I’m not knocking the modality at all this is just my recent experince with it. Comon aliments are often resolve effectively with these treatments. Of course there no reason you could not do deep entergetic and soul treatments as well.
I’ve long been drawn to Fabian Maman’s (www.tama-do.com) work that uses tuning forks, sounding and color in place of accupucture needles. To me the missing element in the Healing Tao system is music, color and sound. But then Fabian’s work does not include the depth of internal alchemy that Michael Winn practices and teaches. I don’t know how either one of them feel about it, but to me the two are extremely complimentary.
If you are drawn to the Healing Tao, get started now if you have not already.
in our light
mike 🙂May 23, 2005 at 5:03 pm #5864
I do believe he is trying to fulfill his destiny – just needs a starting point, well a starting point from here. My advice, … move … in a direction that you are carried to … where you feel propolled to be. That is a good start. Then you can proceed from there. Just open your eyes, listen to your heart. And do what you are doing ask for my knowledge… then proceed. What you require for your fullfillment is felt by only you, and is required by only you. So what it takes is for you. Use what you can … sometimes we make mistakes but we always learn from them… always. Just do not fear moving. Honest …. it is good for you.
Have fun and remember to balance in all that you do. For you, for your family, for reality, for spirit. Go for it. Read some self effacy papers.
Rainbows!!May 24, 2005 at 2:10 pm #5866
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