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May 27, 2014 at 3:58 pm #42512pkyoungsonParticipant
I have heard, I believe from Minke De Voss, that Taoism doesn’t teach that aerobic exercise is healthful. Anymore information on this?
May 27, 2014 at 10:11 pm #42513StevenModeratorI don’t know about Minke, but I know I’ve heard Michael say this.
However, I personally disagree.In fact, it is one of true benefits of certain rare fast qigong forms in the Healing Tao (e.g. Tai Chi 2 Fast Form, and Big Dipper Qigong). By doing these forms fast, they activate and strengthen the cardiovascular system.
It also has historical support within Taoism. Daoist herbalist (reported to have lived over 250 years old) recommended for longevity: “tranquil mind, sit like a tortoise, walk like a pigeon, sleep like a dog”, which is an instruction to 1. quiet the mind, 2. do meditation, 3. do daily brisk walking, 4. sleep whenever/wherever you want when tired and be able to pop up refreshed.
In any case, a daily routine of “brisk walking” is recommended, and you see this in various locations.
As with everything, aerobic exercise can be taken to excess (e.g. “healthy” marathon/triathlon contestants dying with heart attacks), but done to moderation, I think it is actually beneficial . . . and is supported by Daoist literature.
S
May 31, 2014 at 3:55 am #42515c_howdyParticipantAerobic exercise (also known as cardio) is physical exercise of relatively low intensity that depends primarily on the aerobic energy-generating process. Aerobic literally means “relating to, involving, or requiring free oxygen”, and refers to the use of oxygen to adequately meet energy demands during exercise via aerobic metabolism. Generally, light-to-moderate intensity activities that are sufficiently supported by aerobic metabolism can be performed for extended periods of time. The intensity should be between 60 and 85% of maximum heart rate.
When practiced in this way, examples of cardiovascular/aerobic exercise are medium to long distance running/jogging, swimming, cycling, and walking, according to the first extensive research on aerobic exercise, conducted in the 1960s on over 5,000 U.S. Air Force personnel by Dr. Kenneth H. Cooper.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerobic_exercisePart of Tendai Buddhism’s teaching is that enlightenment can be attained in the current life. It is through the process of selfless service and devotion that this can be achieved, and the kaihôgyô is seen as the ultimate expression of this desire. By the end of the practice the monks have achieved a form of identification with the emanation of Buddha known as Fudo Myoo.
There are many serving priests at the temple on Mt. Hiei, but very few of them have completed the 1000-day kaihôgyô. Abbots of Mt.Hiei temple must complete 100-days of kaihogyo. 1000 day practice is an uncommon and specialized area of both ascetic and esoteric disciplines.
The selection process for the kaihôgyô is after the first 100 days of practice, the gyôja (practice person) will petition the senior monks to complete the remaining 900 days. In the first 100 days, withdrawal from the challenge is possible, but from day 101 onwards the monk is no longer allowed to withdraw; historically he must either complete the course or take his own life. In contemporary times this is symbolic and the selection process ensures that those who embark on the practice will complete it. The mountain has many unmarked graves from those who have failed in their quest, although none date from either the 20th or 21st century.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaih%C5%8Dgy%C5%8DAt least if one is doing serious martial arts training one hardly could get very far if one is doing only soft practices.
Also very interesting is this particular Tendai tradition which requires very special athletic feats from the elite practitioners.
HOWDY
May 31, 2014 at 11:33 pm #42517snowlionParticipantHi,
A complicated question..that comes with complicated answers. Much of this goes with age and ability. It is also a very opinionated belief among people who practice these traditions. Common sense comes into play here with being able to keep the body physically strong but with not going overboard, which could lead to damaging you’re body. Its not a secret in the community of many teachers who are physically handicapped from improper training or old injuries. Everyone has there likes and dislikes. Everything is easy from age 5-40’ish, but things change as we age.You gain alot from a balanced Qigong workout, and might never need anything else but its ok to have good ole western practices also, swimming is a perfect alternative that does it all.
There is no practice that’s black or white either; meaning if you do such or such practice you will live to 100. I have known Kung Fu teachers to live to 90 and Qigong people that have died at 50. I have seen people who do all the wrong things live into their late 90’s also.
Physical, emotional, energetic & spiritual health should all be in balance one aspect should not be overboard in practice. Take everyone’s opinion with a grain of salt use you’re own judgement, find things that really respond to yourself.
A old saying “There is nothing wrong with being strong; but its a crime to know better and let yourself wither and die”.
Snowlion
June 6, 2014 at 2:46 am #42519c_howdyParticipantA court-appointed doctor said Asahara’s apparent mental decline was simply an elaborate scam to escape execution. If so, he has managed to fool even members of his own family. “The first time I saw him he was just like a doll, he couldn’t say a word,” says Mayumi, his second daughter, who has visited him 28 times since August 2004.
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-JUSTIN McCURRY, Daughters of doomsday cult leader fight to save their ‘loving’ fatherA physical examination, medical examination, or clinical examination (more popularly known as a check-up or medical) is the process by which a medical professional investigates the body of a patient for signs of disease. It generally follows the taking of the medical history an account of the symptoms as experienced by the patient. Together with the medical history, the physical examination aids in determining the correct diagnosis and devising the treatment plan. This data then becomes part of the medical record.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_examinationSorry, but if one still goes back to question if aerobic practice is healthful one should consider that in the first Iron Shirt book by M. Chia there are some remarks about running.
Also quite interesting document is ‘Taoist Master Chuang’ where some heavy aerobic practice is described as totally authentic Daoist practice.
And yes it is this real Kung Fu training what one finds referenced there.
This one-sidedly soft practice clearly comes from these certain 20th century Tai Chi circles which turned it into easy popular exercise suitable especially to old persons.
HOWDY
Ps. Sorry for my broken English.
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