April 30, 2015 at 4:31 am #44285
Do the more aggressive martial arts such as boxing, kyokushin karate, judo and jujitsu hamper your progress in the healing dao practices?
I have heard Michael Winn say (in his lucid dreaming video on YouTube) that striking arts train your chi to go outside of your body. After doing striking arts you have to train it to go back in.
The idea of Tai chi seems cool but at the same time I’m not very trusting of it. Realistically speaking the world is a violent place and sometimes we just have to take violent measures whether we like it or not. Tai chi is too passive of a martial art and in my opinion it’ll only get someone killed. I’m just a little bit confused now as to how I should approach the martial arts. I really don’t want my practices to interfere with one another.April 30, 2015 at 6:59 am #44286
I would say no, unless you are doing so much that you are exhausting your qi to extreme fatigue levels (which ultimately works at cross-purposes toward trying strengthen your qi reserves via qigong/alchemy).
Done to moderation, it shouldn’t be an issue.
For some, it is a way to engage in a fun cardiovascular exercise.
For many, however, the real reason it is done is because the person is continuously living in a heightened fear state, and the training helps serve to expel this negative fear pattern. This is done through forcibly ejecting the negative fear qi via the vigorous exercise and training a feeling of “safety” that is implicit in the practice.
In that latter sense, martial arts practice can be a service. Some may argue that there are better ways of dealing with the fear pattern . . . namely possibly using alchemical means to transform it, rather than just discarding it via such arts. From a purely energetic conservation standpoint, they are right . . . but there is also more to life than energy conservation. For some, the actual physical training provides a feeling of accomplishment, and hence self-satisfaction.
As far as practicality–in reality, most adult scenarios don’t involve the threat of physical violence (unless a person has a habit of provoking people). The few that do, often a gun becomes involved, and the martial arts becomes irrelevant anyway. So mostly martial arts is about the person’s fear pattern, whether they will admit it or not.
While Tai Chi has martial applications, the real reason for doing it is to have a relaxed way to doing moving meditation while standing up, as a means to get more grounded and centered in your being. People who study Tai Chi for martial purposes also get what they want–albeit not via life-action skills–but because as a result of doing the practice over a period of time, they become grounded enough in their being to realize that they don’t need to protect themselves against anything, and they can finally release their fear pattern. So ultimately the real purpose is accomplished, regardless of what a fear-based mind says prior to studying Tai Chi.
SApril 30, 2015 at 10:31 am #44288
My old Karate teacher used to say that he saw more people get injured playing soccer in the weekend than training Martial arts. Of course, you will get some minor injure once in a while but still considerable lesser than other non martial sports.
I agree with Steve in all he said and have to add that martial arts can give you a excellent mind focus. But in other hand they are sometimes practiced in very aggressive, competitive and military-like environments. I gave up on them because I find the master-teacher drama you sometimes find on those places a waste of energy.
I think Karate, Kung fu and tai chi can be very good foundation practices. But I also think is very rare those who advance energetically and spiritually with only that. I recently met with my old Karate teacher and some of my old colleagues, who still practiced in the last 20 years. None of them, and in that I include my teaches, seemed to have changed much and for then KI/qi was still much of a concept that a practical reality.May 2, 2015 at 3:31 am #44290
The special nature of Tai Chi Chuan practice was attributed to the ninth generation Chen Village leader, Chen Wangting (êÍõÍ¢; ³ÂÍõÍ¥; 1580¨C1660). He codified pre-existing Chen training practice into a corpus of seven routines. This included five routines of tai chi chuan (Ì«OÈÎåÂ·), 108 form Long Fist (Ò»°ÙÁã°ËÝéLÈ£©and a more rigorous routine known as Cannon Fist (ÅÚ´·Ò»Â·). Chen Wangting integrated different elements of Chinese philosophy into the martial arts training to create a new approach that we now recognize as the Internal martial arts. He added the principles of Yin-Yang theory (the universal principle of complementary opposites), the techniques of Daoyin (leading and guiding energy) and Tui na (expelling and drawing energy), theories encountered in Traditional Chinese Medicine and described in such texts as the Huang Di Nei Jing (¡¶üSµÛÈ½¡·; Yellow Emperor’s Canon of Chinese Medicine). In addition, Wangting incorporated the boxing theories from sixteen different martial art styles as described in the classic text, Ji Xiao Xin Shu(À^Ð§ÐÂø; “New Book Recording Effective Techniques”; ~ 1559¨C1561) written by the Ming General Qi Jiguang (ÆÝÀ^¹â; 1528¨C1588).
…Tai chi is too passive of a martial art and in my opinion it’ll only get someone killed…
This should not actually be true, but Tai Chi Chuan type of practice would seem to take very long time to become effective as a martial art.
So for somebody who starts as an adult 20 years for basic training would seem quite long time.
But taking into account some other benefits this might be a real option for the dedicated practitioners.
HOWDYMay 2, 2015 at 3:56 am #44292
…I recently met with my old Karate teacher and some of my old colleagues, who still practiced in the last 20 years. None of them, and in that I include my teacher, seemed to have changed much and for then KI/qi was still much of a concept that a practical reality…
It’s also my opinion that it’s useful to do meditation and and energy yoga practice but it’s not also easy if one is working or studying full time and situation is still worse of course if one has family to look after.
But it’s really making striking difference with these energetic practices (prana vidya in the Bihar School of Yoga system).
HOWDYMay 18, 2015 at 9:16 am #44294
Steven seagal taught anderson silva and machida some tai chi moves that they used in the ring effectively, I read somewhere
Check out sifu Glenn Hairston on YouTube and his site… He has some cool DVDs I’m gonna order soon, all about tai chi martial applications, coming from a former federal agent that has used them in the field….. I also bought one of his older instructional movies on Vimeo…
You need a teacher who will teach you the martial applications and allow you to practice them….. Which is hard to find!May 19, 2015 at 5:21 am #44296
The Foshin Ren Shu / Lin Qui (Kuei), were an ancient clan that operated in Southern china many hundred of years ago. This individual clan’s past and history was shrouded in mystery until now. The true Lin Qui (Kuei) were farmers that resided in the deep parts of the forests around 587. Some of the farmers were masters in different self defense systems. The villages were attacked by solders, thugs and bandits etc. the farmers came together and designed a self defense system like no other. The art never got a name from its founders. The name Lin Qui (Kuei) came from the bandits and solders of Emperor Wen of Sui (541-604), personal name Yang Jian, was the founder and first emperor of China’s Sui Dynasty. during China’s Sui Dynasty (Hanyu Pinyin: suí cháo, 581-618) followed the Southern and Northern Dynasties and preceded the Tang Dynasty in China. The Tang Dynasty (pinyin: tángcháo) (June 18, 618 June 4, 907) followed the Sui Dynasty and preceded the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms Period in China. The dynasty was interrupted by the Second Zhou Dynasty (October 16, 690 March 3, 705) when Empress Wu Zetian seized the throne. The dynasty was founded by the Li family.. It ended nearly four centuries of division between rival regimes some of the Lin Kuei traveled to other parts of Asia, Japan and Korea to teach their secret arts and ways to the local villagers. The Lin Kuei broke up in to two main groups. Over the years, many of these methods were used and were incorporated into the art of Ninjutsu, also called shinobi no jutsu, is a collection of techniques originally practiced for espionage purposes. It includes methods of gathering information, non-detection, avoidance, and misdirection techniques. Ninjutsu can also involve training in disguise, escape, concealment, archery, medicine, and explosives.
I think one really shouldn’t ignore the time factor.
It would be best to combine both Shaolin kung fu and Tai Chi Chuan type of training methods.
But one would need to expect to spend very much time to perfect Tai Chi Chuan into a martial art.
Also those who practice so called Chen style Tai Chi Chuan seemingly have all the time simplified their system.
HOWDYMay 19, 2015 at 11:48 am #44298
Brawl, a large-scale fist fight usually involving multiple participants.
Ah, bar fights! Nothing is more fun than going on some viral video site and watching two people who might be part of the Darwin Awards drunkenly slapping each other around to our amusement. In reality, not all bar fights end in hilarious fashion, or with Roger Huerta knocking you out, and some can get very dangerous, very fast. This led to James Porco, a certified ninjitsu instructor and former professional wrestler who also bounced in many bars and nightclubs for over 16 years, to write his own instructional on self-defense in these settings. Together with Tuttle Publishing, Bar-Jutsu: The American Art of Bar Fighting was born into a 120 page softcover book that teaches you, the average bar-hound, how to handle any volatile situation in one of these seedy environments.
Vicious Lawless Association Disestablishment Act 2013 is an act of the Parliament of Queensland to “severely punish members of criminal organisations that commit serious offences”. The act was passed on 16 October 2013, and went into effect immediately. The relevant Minister is required to review the Act after 3 years. The Act applies to legal organisations and “any other group of 3 or more persons by whatever name called, whether associated formally or informally and whether the group is legal or illegal.” Similarly it defines office bearer of the organisation to allow for informal roles, with the defendant required to prove that they are not an office bearer. The Act declares a person to be a “vicious lawless associate” if they commit a serious offence “for the purposes of, or in the course of participating in the affairs of, the relevant association”. It is incumbent on the defendant to prove that the association is “an association whose members do not have as their purpose” the serious offences listed in the Act. If a person is declared to be a “vicious lawless associate”, this Act mandates a further 15 years imprisonment on top of the sentence for the crime for members of the organisation, and 25 years imprisonment for office bearers of the organisation.
…do the more aggressive martial arts such as boxing, kyokushin karate, judo and jujitsu hamper your progress in the healing dao practices…
This is quite difficult question to answer or it’s actually better to keep it as an open secret.
At least in details.
But my point here is for those who really look for the warrior path to seriously search for places, persons, and conditions where such things come very naturally.
So warrior types should not wait but actively look for danger and troubles.
In my opinion.
Ps. Sorry for my broken English.
9 Dead in Waco Biker Gang Shooting-Another 18 bikers were hospitalized, and as many as 175 people were detained by police after the brawl broke out at a Twin Peaks restaurant in Waco.
Panicked patrons fled to safety Sunday when the violence erupted shortly after noon at the Twin Peaks restaurant in a busy Waco shopping center along Interstate 35.
Eight people died at the scene and another at a hospital, Swanton said. All were all members of biker gangs, he said, as were the 18 people who were taken to hospitals with injuries that included stab and gunshot wounds. Some victims were being treated for both, he said.
At least five rival gangs had gathered at the restaurant for a meeting that Swanton said focused on turf and recruitment, two areas where the groups have often clashed.
A dispute apparently broke out in a bathroom, escalated to include knives and firearms and eventually spilled into the restaurant parking lot, he said. There were 150 to 200 gang members inside the restaurant at the time. Shots were fired inside and outside the restaurant, he said.
The dead were members of the Bandidos or Cossacks gangs, said McLennan County Sheriff Parnell McNamara, whose office is involved in the investigation.
The Bandidos were deemed a “Tier 2” threat the second highest, on par with the Bloods, Crips and Aryan Brotherhood in a 2014 gang assessment by Texas public safety authorities. The Justice Department says the gang, formed in the 1960s, is involved in trafficking cocaine, marijuana and methamphetamines.
The Texas gang assessment doesn’t mention the Cossacks.
There’s at least one past documented instance of violence between the two groups. In November 2013, a 46-year-old from Abilene who police say was the leader of a West Texas Bandidos chapter was charged in the stabbings of two members of the Cossacks club.
[DFW] Waco Police Provide Update on Biker Shootout
Waco Police Department spokesman Sgt. Patrick Swanson provides an update on the biker gang shootout that left nine dead and more injured Sunday. (Published Monday, May 18, 2015)
Swanton described the interior of the restaurant after a Sunday night walk-through, saying it was littered with bullet casings, knives, a club, bodies and pools of blood. Authorities would be working the rest of the night to process the reams of evidence, he said.
Police were aware of the meeting in advance, Swanton said, and at least 12 Waco officers in addition to state troopers were outside the restaurant, part of a national chain that features scantily clad waitresses, when the fight began.
“We’ve been made aware in the past few months of rival biker gangs … being here and causing issues,” Swanton said.
Officers shot armed bikers, Swanton said, adding that the actions of law enforcement prevented further deaths. It was not known if any of the nine dead were killed by police officers.
[DFW] Twin Peaks Responds To Deadly Violence In Waco
The North Texas based corporate owners of Twin Peaks responded to a shootout among rival biker gangs at its Waco restaurant that left nine people dead and 18 injured. (Published Sunday, May 17, 2015)
Swanton said that the restaurant’s operators also were aware of the meeting in advance, and he described the management as uncooperative with authorities in addressing concerns.
“Apparently the management (of Twin Peaks) wanted them here and so we didn’t have any say-so on whether they could be here or not,” Swanton said.
A statement sent Sunday night on behalf of Jay Patel, operating partner for the Waco franchise, said, “Our management team has had ongoing and positive communications with the police,” and added that the restaurant was cooperating with the investigation.
Swanton addressed Patel’s statement late Sunday night, calling it a “fabrication.”
BREAKING: 9 confirmed dead in Twin Peaks shooting. http://t.co/prna2QjW4M
KCEN News (@KCENNews) May 17, 2015May 22, 2015 at 10:27 pm #44300
hence the return to formless tai chi boxing as per video clip. Earthstone Chu taught this approach at the Melbourne Push Hands Club in the 2000s (now dissolved). Emphasis on all tai chi principles but no fixed forms; agile and explosive power from any part of body. For health just emphasise the loose, agile, flexible but strong in the core; like MW teaching. IMO, as learning, needs some isometrics to build strength as well.May 24, 2015 at 6:08 am #44302
Yiquan is essentially formless, containing no fixed sets of fighting movements or techniques. Instead, focus is put on developing one’s natural movement and fighting abilities through a system of training methods and concepts, working to improve the perception of one’s body, its movement, and of force. Yiquan is also set apart from other eastern martial arts in that traditional concepts like qi, meridians, dantian etc., are omitted, the reason being that understanding one’s true nature happens in the present, and that preconceptions block this process.
Tsujigiri (ÞyØ¤ê or ÞyØ tsuji-giri, literally ‘crossroads killing’) is a Japanese term for a practice when a samurai, after receiving a new katana or developing a new fighting style or weapon, tests its effectiveness by attacking a human opponent, usually a random defenseless passer-by, in many cases during nighttime.
How can we train for the friction and chaos of battle when following a set fitness routine? Physical preparation for combat readiness must be, by its very nature, a multifaceted approach. If the combatants have to be ready for anything, shouldn¡¯t their fitness regimen reflect that? Surely the idea of training random workouts each and every day must help better prepare the person to face any challenge, right?
As with all things, fitness is a skill. The body must be adequately prepared at a baseline level through rigorous training AND practice to establish a solid foundation of GPP. To suddenly subject a trainee to an onslaught of arbitrarily selected workouts is only a recipe for creating a shallow level of skill in a bunch of random areas. It is also a great way to cause injury rather than seek to prevent it. Random training produces random, haphazard results. The Warrior Fitness Training methodology follows the Shu-Ha-Ri model of teaching prevalent in schools of traditional Japanese martial arts. Shu-Ha-Ri translates to ¡°protect the form, break the form, leave the form behind¡±. Usually within schools of traditional Japanese Budo this is a linear model where at the beginning of training the student is taught to carefully protect the form without deviation so as to template themselves to the teacher and to the martial system. After becoming proficient in the exact techniques of the school the student is then encouraged to begin breaking the form. And then slowly, very, very slowly, after decades of practice the student finally begins to transcend the form and leave it behind thus moving at the level of principle. The Shu-Ha-Ri model is slightly different in the Bujinkan tradition that I study. Rather than a strict linear progression, the model is not quite as fixed. It may be Shu-Ha-Ri, Ri-Ha-Shu, Ha-Shu-Ri, or any combination of the three. In this way, the student does not have to wait until he has trained for decades to learn how to break the form, nor does he always leave the form behind. Instead the training progresses in an upward spiral where the teacher may start with the basics, circle up to breaking the form, and finally leave the form behind, followed by working again on the basics. The same material is always looked at with fresh, new perspective and greater depth each time it is taught no matter where in the cycle it falls. This allows for better all-around development and faster progression while still inculcating the basic forms and instilling a respect for technique. It also gives the student the freedom to adapt to the friction and chaos of combat by learning how to both break and throw away the form when required yet still conforming to the strategic and tactical principles of the art.
Shuhari roughly translates to “first learn, then detach, and finally transcend.”
1. shu (ÊØ?) “protect”, “obey” ¡ª traditional wisdom ¡ª learning fundamentals, techniques, heuristics, proverbs.
2. ha (ÆÆ?) “detach”, “digress” ¡ª breaking with tradition ¡ª detachment from the illusions of self.
3. ri (ëx?) “leave”, “separate” ¡ª transcendence ¡ª there are no techniques or proverbs, all moves are natural, becoming one with spirit alone without clinging to forms; transcending the physical.
Sorry but in my opinion it’s possible to take formlessness too far.
First of all one needs to learn the basic well-tested routines.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apq_2hNQ4ew (supermanexistsandheisamerican)May 27, 2015 at 9:02 pm #44304
check out this guy, if you like, teaching not just forms but applications in a practical way, I think. Even for non martial qigong practice it helps get knowledge helpful in handling psychic defence and applications. All very nice to be virtuous and blessing but not much good if get injured by losing root, balance, in everyday interactions and in dealing with karmic factors.May 28, 2015 at 5:53 am #44306
Gun is the best offence.
I would follow program where one starts with Iron Shirt and Silk Reeling.
Personally I am not interested to practice too seriously with ancient edged weapons (but throwing weapons yes) ceremonially. This is simply because there is not enough time.
But some kind of practice with stick and ball is also useful in my opinion.
It’s clear that it’s mostly impossible to find skilled teacher locally, so it’s better to concentrate to one’s own achievements than looking perfect teaching.
HOWDYOctober 12, 2015 at 5:33 pm #44308
Martial arts are not very useful if someone smashes a bottle over your head in a bar. Aggression is not often set up like an official boxing match with someone announcing that trouble is going to start, and a hot chick in a bikini walking around with a sign saying which round it is.
And at the same time if some pushes you in the queue to the cinema, and you kyokushin karate his head into 5 pieces … you are going to find yourself in court, and then, in jail.
The world has a lot of darkness, and in my opinion you should hide your strength and bide your time. If you just wait, a lot of dangerous situations just diffuse with no effort on your part. And if you develop an instinct, you can sidestep most of the other situations.
And if you are in a fight, taking a punch or two and walking away is better than squaring off with some drunk. What for ?
Feeling strong is not about fighting, it is about being. Developing your being.
It’s less about punching someone, and more about not leaking energy not being unconscious not manifesting negativity. Having your energy centralised.
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