February 11, 2007 at 12:53 pm #21012
It seems western alchemy is organizing itself and hitting the strip this Oct. with a conference.
And why not Las Vegas? Alchemists like to have fun, and they are definitely gambling with their souls every time they light the fire in their cauldron….
The major focus seems to be on laboratory or external alchemy, as per the Alchemical Guild focus, but a handful of “spiritual alchemist” ranging from Jungians to magicians are also invited – may be too early to know who actually comes.
I am considering going to drop t he seed of Taoist alchemy into their cauldron. Maybe teach some thing simple, like the embodied meaning of the Ouroboros myth (snake swallowing iteelf) – the orbit.
mFebruary 11, 2007 at 9:49 pm #21013
I think that if you could offer them something that would bridge the internal and external you’d be doing a great service. -AFebruary 12, 2007 at 1:47 pm #21015
I followed the links to find people that are into lab alchemy.
I have a real interest in that.
Can anyone guide to a relyable source?
Little1February 12, 2007 at 2:25 pm #21017
Adam McLean’s site. Very voluminous, a good starting place. However I recommend not taking his courses. There was also a guy somewhere in Utah I think, name of Frater Albertus, who spent his life with this stuff.
Franz Bardon was going to write a book on Alchemy – he could cure cancer and multiple sclerosis with it apparently – but the Communists finished him before he had a chance. NNFebruary 12, 2007 at 3:36 pm #21019
Is interesting… So why do you not recommend his courses?
I am well aware that quality practicioners are scarce.
Michael talked a bit about one of his professors in spagyrics.
I have a feeling inner and outer alchemy work better together.
One can see nutrition as such outer alchemy.
So thank you…
From what it looks like, there is a lot to be digested.
Wonder if there is someone who can present things simple and effective… like the taoist do…
Little1February 12, 2007 at 4:20 pm #21021
>>Is interesting… So why do you not recommend his courses?<>Wonder if there is someone who can present things simple and effective… like the taoist do…<<
I think there are a couple of people who are teaching it more openly now.
BTW two things – 1st, it's not often said on this board but if you are at a certain level and put out the intention to find a teacher you will find one, esp. if you are in a big city. They are all over the place, they just do not ever write or talk openly. But go to a big city – New York, London, Paris. Forget finding Yoda on Dagobah!
2nd is related – I do not know whether the alchemy conference in Vegas is of interested academics or people who practice what I would call 'real' alchemy. Of course the idea is that these barriers must be broken down, but I do not know the extent to which they have been yet. I must say I am very impressed with Michael's record of putting his stuff out in front of the starchiest shirts, so he would do some good in either case. The conference itself is likely to be a confused experience but it's nice to see it happening!
Bardon's 'Initiation' contains instructions for making some complex and beautiful 'fluid condensers' which are certainly wonderful, if difficult. I confess I would rather have a real alchemist make them for me! I make only simple condensers but this could be regarded as a vaguely alchemical operation in itself. Some details can be found in Mickaharic's 'Magical Practice'.
A fluid condenser, for those not in the know, is a liquid that (in Chinese terms one would say) stores chi energy and intention to a high degree. Common magical uses involve making objects such as mirrors, figures, etc., with condensers, and then enlivening them through ritual intention, etc.
I've put an Amazon link below to a new book by a well-regarded author, Manfred Junius. Another author I've heard praised is Beat Krumenacher, but his books seem to be out of print. I haven't read either yet.
There is an interesting episode of Taoist external alchemy in 'Opening the Dragon Gate' about Wang Liping, tr. Thomas Cleary. Mind you, the Flower Essences that are sold here and elsewhere are produced by alchemical procedures too, in a broader sense. One could even look at such a simple operation as burning incense in an alchemical light.
You are definitely right that the two, inner and outer, work together.
That's about all I know!
best of luck, NNFebruary 13, 2007 at 2:32 pm #21023
you talk a lot of sense in this.
And yes, I think you are right when you say you can “summon” a
meeting with a Real McCoy.
I am just looking for a clear cut type of a begining in this.
Never liked chemistry in high-school.
But this year I.m hitting for a Pharmaceutical College.
Dont really know how, but I started to get a taste for chemistry
, biology and physics since
I hooked up with the Tao.
Onestly I dont know where I am heading with this, but
I hope towards a new developement…
So I need all the good advice I can get.
Little1February 13, 2007 at 2:38 pm #21025
Thank you, RexFebruary 13, 2007 at 6:09 pm #21027
– to keep in mind what you said, that the two work better together.
Scientists could put together exactly the same ingredients that (exterior) alchemists do, but would not get the same results. There is more to the materials used in external alchemy than meets the eye, just as there is more to everything than meets the eye. However I know hardly anything, so I will shut up. Go forth, prosper, and come back and tell the forum how you got on!
Very best of luck to you, NNFebruary 15, 2007 at 3:59 am #21029
Fluid Condenser is a key concept in internal alchemy as well – what do you think condensing sexual fluids is about?
N’s point in a later post that external alchemy doesn’t work without accomplishment in internal alchemy is also key. That is how I met my lab alchemy teacher – he was coming to learn Taoist inner alchemy in order to take his lab alchemy to a higher level. He had already liquified gold at room temp. But he said the elementals will not respond to you if you don’t have the right internal vibration…..
Good luck Little1 on your quest…..please let me know how pharmacology can speed up development of the immortal body… that’s what Taoists used Reishi mushrooms for….maybe you will crack th secret of those spores….
michaelFebruary 15, 2007 at 12:16 pm #21031
his son Lumir Bardon and a M.K. wrote short description of accounting of their trainning
in the book Memories of Franz Bardon
teaching by not teaching, by narrating some experiences
one (son?) clearly states that
it is all one (my wording) in F. Bardon trainning
that plant work was a application of principle trainning of the spheres
and similar conclusion for alchemy was left open
what was the essence of trainning
how it was innitiated
you have four colours
train ‘concetrating’ on them
(‘concentration’ includes visual ‘concentration’)February 16, 2007 at 12:01 pm #21033
The discussions on this forum lend me an important piece to a puzzle that I”ve been puzzled about… And the info keeps coming.
Thank you, and everyone, for sharing. I am currently translating some of the wonderful messages on this group, for some of my friends…
About immortality spores… all I can say for now is that I always have a soft spot for taoist adepts…
I am still waiting for a longer story about your quest in spagyrics, Michael.
Little1February 20, 2007 at 11:26 am #21035
from M.K. (?) memories
‘Ich solle Konzentrationsubungen machen, jede Elemente-Farbe mindestens 10 Minuten konzentrieren und eine halbe Stunde das Leergefuhl behalten, ohne Unterbrechung durch irgendeinen Eindruck, ob von innen oder aussen. Falls ich es schaffe, darf ich wiederkomrnen. Nach einem Monat war ich schon wieder da. Und dann ging es weiter, so wie es in dern ersten Such Der Weg zurn wahren Adepten geschrieben steht. ‘
‘…der Tur duftete es wie von tausend Duften. Aufder Veranda standen Fasser mit garenden fleilkiliutern. Aus ihnen machte der Meister die Tinkturen, Tropfen, Extrakte, Arkana und Quintessenzen and auf spagyrische Weise zubereitete Elixiere. Zur Garung verwendete er echten Bie nenhonig, den ihm sein Sohn spendete, der au Bienen zuchtete. Nach der Garung wurde die Masse filtriert, destilliert und weiterhin auf alchemistische Art und Weise ver arbeitet. Einzelheiten dazu werden den Rahmen dieser Darstellung uberschreiten. Die Sachen sind doch so einfach, pflegte der Meister oft zu sagen, und heute weiss ich, daB es wirklich so ist. Er hatte geplant, alles in dem filnften Tarotkartenbuch niederzuschreiben. Leider ist dies durch…’
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