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October 22, 2005 at 7:45 am #8184wendyParticipant
you ask
– NOT BY ME,
it will always be a volunerable topic and will always be a sensitive old wound, once you touched it you never heal completely.
‘It’ is very much aware of what we are saying here, better to take this off this forum, we don’t want to freak people, do we?
October 22, 2005 at 12:37 pm #8186SheepyParticipantThe WHOM is karmic law. Even the “IT” is contained within the system. LOL!!
For example, perhaps the act of killing millions would produce a greater benefit then leaving those millions alive, but he who kills must still pay for the killing.So the complications and deceit we see all around us are a form of karmic hedging.
October 22, 2005 at 4:59 pm #8188singing oceanParticipantThe microcosm and macrocosm are mirrors of each other on personal and collective levels, a personal shen imbalance/incompletion can be related to a collective shen imbalance/incompletion:
One country colonizes/invades another & one person wants to constantly start fights = same problem
Racial Genocide & racial insult = same problem
megacorporate greed & individual greed = same problem
sexual slavery & patriarchal attitude = same problem
mass spiritual dogma & individual unconcsciousness = same problem
“It is always easier to look outside and blame others rather than looking inside; If you want to change the world, start with yourself”
If many individuals change themselves, the collective starts to feel the shift. Some people choose an external path of action, others choose an internal path; both serve to shift the whole.
If one person completes their destiny (“karma”) on internal and external levels, they go on to face other aspects that need to be completed.
October 22, 2005 at 6:04 pm #8190wendyParticipantThat is our hope, and that is what we have to do, shifting ourself and help shifting others is a way out. That is why I emphasize being soooo supportive to each other. If we look at behavior from this angle it is a daily work to offer the very best of yourself every day, not blaming others and every conflict or struggle is welcomed to work harder.
October 22, 2005 at 8:56 pm #8192spyrelxParticipantNo argument with any of that. And I think it’s terrible.
But it doesn’t really change what I said in my post above. Everything you quoted is really about economics, and about the lack of morality in international capitalism.
There’s a lot of people who are addicted to crack and cocaine in the US. Do you believe that’s Columbia’s fault?
There’s a lot of people addicted to heroin in the US, do you believe that’s Afganistan’s fault?
October 22, 2005 at 8:57 pm #8194spyrelxParticipantThe little boy is playing tricks again.
October 22, 2005 at 8:58 pm #8196spyrelxParticipantCheck the numbers next to my name. The little boy is playing tricks again.
October 22, 2005 at 9:57 pm #8198singing oceanParticipantI think you missed an important point about responsibility, yes it is about economics, but how can you separate economics from the humans involved? Are they not responsible for their actions? Are they serving the whole or are they promoting separation, fear and conflict?
My point is that there is really no separation between either side: it is the fault of BOTH sides who are involved and are supporting the negative situation, but someone in there has the financial means to benefit more from the transaction, and has long term interests in the continuation of the situation.
(is free trade free?) If the individuals involved actually started taking responsibility for their actions, and realizing the impact on the human consciousness, then maybe their motive would shift.
Drug use is actually another good example; in this field of export, who ends up with more money, the producer (farmer) or the mover/seller? Who would gain more from promoting poverty and addiction; the subsistence farmer? The interests are closer to home, there is a market demand, but is the supplier the producer? The point is that it IS “about economics, and about the lack of morality in international capitalism”, that is the point! Of course it is the fault of the user and the producer, but look who is making the most cash (the one in the middle)!
Let us ponder for a moment the lack of morality in the mad rush for profit. In whose interest does it lie to ensure that petty conflicts, racial tensions and civil wars are aggravated, fed and nurtured with lethal technology? The antagonists, who may be profiting somewhat from sales of natural resources such as diamonds, or the lethal technology producers? Who will benefit the most financially in the long run from ensuring a steady supply of weapons, the manufacturer or the antagonists? Once the US involves itself in a conflict, they set up a military base in that part of the world, and extend their field of influence, effectively putting a real face on what otherwise might be just economic coercion (just in case that is not bad enough).
Who benefits the most from world bank loans, the country that privatized all of its services and is now indebted more than it can pay back, or the ones collecting astronomical interest? Yes, there is corruption, but this sounds suspiciously like sharecropping.
A good resource is the book “Confessions of an Economic Hit Man” by John Perkins.
Anyway, what is the solution? Money is not a bad thing, but ethics are important. If nations were all promoting sustainable agriculture, energy, resources and technology so the goal was not to gain the most profit before you die, but to maintain a steady level of quality living we would all be much better off.
The problem with atlantis is that it destroyed itself with excess yang, or excess fire, patriarchalism and war. Does that ring a bell?
October 23, 2005 at 2:06 am #8200spongebobParticipantthat wasn’t jingoism. it was an observation.
October 23, 2005 at 2:21 am #8202spongebobParticipantyou dont follow the money. japan calls the shots. soon, it will be china. if they can acrew more US debt than the japanese.
October 23, 2005 at 2:21 am #8204spongebobParticipantyou dont follow the money. japan calls the shots. soon, it will be china. if they can accrue more US debt than the japanese.
October 23, 2005 at 2:35 am #8206jsritParticipantIt seems most people have energy drainage when they are sitting around using technology if I follow.
Perhaps the Healing Tao should produce a sitting qigong similar to Sheng Zhen Healing Qigong?
October 23, 2005 at 4:43 am #8208Simon V.ParticipantI agree with this.
Friendship is the white magic we can contribute.
Simon
October 23, 2005 at 8:19 am #8210wendyParticipantThe problem is that if every US citizen would take responsability the US economy would collapse, which would cause a terrible catastrophy. The whole US economy is like a giant bubble, giant debts based on not-existing money.
That is why they are so hungry for the resources of other countries because the US government needs tons of money to sustain their level of money-spending… to sustain their power.
It is a spiral that will take big part of the world with it. If US collapses it will effect all of us, that is why we all (the rest of the world) play along, even if we are very aware of the problems, any choice will cut either way. It is like a box of Pandora …October 24, 2005 at 10:20 am #8212JernejParticipantIn times stellar connections are foundations of civilizations.
Some people have very strong stellar connection.
As such can pierce easily through personal fields of people grounded in planetary or earth field.If you keep open: you will lose your center until/if with luck and skill you find it back anew.
If you shut it out: you keep your personal space but create a stain of stagnation.
Avoiding exposure is only temporary and coincidental.
It is always a dilemma.
From no time view shuting out is against life.
No stain and own center is rare.The anthem is:
‘birthing the human innocence’
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