May 23, 2006 at 8:01 am #14381
I did not plan to speak until I had digested my anger but words come fluidly, yet consider while reading I still feel anger:
That ‘person calling himself many names’ really triggers my deepest anger because he is the summon of everything I despice in a man…a coward! Hiding behind his many masks, it really pisses me off.
And you Max claim this ‘girl’ Wendy would even consider to have a relationship with something like that. You hurt me and it shows how little empathy you have.
Women like strong man, yes, but it is ultimately horror being with a man with this kind of disgusting weakness like that guy who needs his masks to speak. It awakens a lot of anger, A LOT, because that cowardly arrogance derived from weakness, causes so much pain in this world. And he is just a maximized version of all those weak men who need their jobs, or practice or intelligence to hide behind.
A strong man, Max, in my opinion is one who dares to show himself, I admire that very much. While you suggest that when man showes himself he is dumped. How little do you know about real women!
The day my partner lowered his mask my heart blossomed, the day his wall tumbled my joy was immense, and most of all I admire my partner for he had the courage to admit his flaws and weakness, choosing either way to be stabbed by me or to be loved by me. Although he is not a practioner he has much more true compassion than some on this forum.
Yesterday while he was talking to another man on the phone, I heard him explain how he learned that he caused so much pain to me and the children because of his arrogance, and the fact he was thinking he was ‘right’, while in fact he was putting so much stress on us because we would never be perfect. That his arrogance was derived from fear and the intention to ‘rule’. I admired him for his honesty and I massaged his feet…May 23, 2006 at 11:58 am #14382
Wendy: you are a great part of this forum — I hope you come back (text)May 24, 2006 at 2:59 am #14384
All that stuff you just wrote means nothing if you can’t recognize the fact that ron nas a serious communication problem. Since when would anyone in real life talk to someone else like that? Yelling trash? What comes out of your mouth is the true result of whatever cultivation you do. I mean the least he could do is learn how to be articulate about what he is saying, so if he wants to talk trash people could understand his point.
Think seriously about what ron would invite in real life before giving your “I train hard and you should too” missionary manifesto to wendy.May 24, 2006 at 8:58 am #14386
Why are you responding in his place? Can’t he speak for himself?
But as you speak I will answer:
max: “You accuse Ron for hiding behind many masks and unwilling to reveal himself.”
When you speak then you reveal…no matter how many masks you wear, he is already revealing! He awakened my anger because he has the arrogance to believe he can get away with it.
max: “Instead of playful exchange he tried to do with you, you chose a serious way to deal with the matter demanding him to be ‘himself’.”
You and your buddy have a weird understanding of what is ‘playful’ and it is not an exchange!! If you throw with mud then you can expect reaction. There is action and reaction, no exchange, because that happens in mutual respect. Don’t try to soften his bullshit using words as ‘playful’ and ‘exchange’, I am not a fool Max!
When somebody is dumping shit on me, I have every right to DEMAND where that shit is coming from, thus to reveal himself. It is his choice to respond or not and it is my choice to react with the same arrogance that he is forcing on me and others.
max: “I spoke with Ron a couple of times over chat and he is far from being what you called him here.”
Words words words max, nothing but words, so far I have seen NOTHING from Ron that reveals anything worthy. If it is true what you claim, I am all ears and my heart is big enough to embrace him. Oh yes, there was one thing, he invited me he would cook for me, that would be nice, only then he tried to convince me what a great lover he was, as I recall. Well I suggest to do some serious cooking internally first.
max: “One thing he hates is the same thing I don’t tolerate- weak people justifying their own weakness with a bunch of excuses.”
How about your famous compassion…theory!!
max:” Ron understands all this and has high standards of what he expects of himself and the others. And then he sees someone comes in says: “Hey, I failed in something and I realized it’s ok for me to fail because this and this and this. You guys who try so hard to be disciplined about it don’t have to be. And btw, don’t tell me what to do, because we have different paths.”
This “giving up” triggers a strong response from Ron as well as me. ”
THAT my dear friends IS ultimate ARROGANCE, and I am very pleased you reveal yourself!! You can’t stand the fact that you are not perfect and that others surely are not perfect. Reread my post on perfection as the cause of suffering.
max: “I told Pietro you would rather choose strong, confident and assertive male Ron represents and I still stand by my words. ”
yes I rather choose that, yet so far Ron has zero points! I only see weakness, being a bully in your words is NOT an act of confidence but one of a coward!
But maybe I am wrong, so I invite Ron to speak in a normal confident way
my email: firstname.lastname@example.org
max: “His last post to you was a result of your last interaction where you rejected him for not revealing himself and his true nature. Maybe with time, he would have…”
Oh I see, now he is the victim here, I rejected him, how sad… I think I gave him every chance to speak in a normal way. Tell me how many women would ever consider reacting on him.
Well he still has eons of time and my anger is gone, my patience is like the universe itself, so we will see…
max: “You talk a lot about your husband lowering his mask. After how many years, Wendy?”
Hoho buddy, my husband is not claiming he is practicing!!
It took until his 40th anniversary to see what he was doing. On his birthday he had a total meltdown and it was the moment that he fell into pieces and arised like a newborn phoenix. I talk a lot about him because he is an example of a nice and strong man who REALIZED he is NOT perfect!
max:” When you originally married him, wasn’t he a representation of a strong, confident and dominant male? And that was my whole point. ”
I was 16 and a total emotional mess and the first 10 years of our relationship he was my rock, until I noticed that that rock was not so solid and was based on fear and anger. That is when I decided to find my own inner rock and the relationship swopped sights and today we seem to be in an in between state where both partners have their strengths and weakness and are accepted as such.
max: “At last, you said: “While you suggest that when man shows himself he is dumped. How little do you know about real women! ”
Here is what I really said: “You can surrender your heart to a woman and have great connection if she does the same, but as soon as you surrender who you are, she will leave you.”
I still don’t get your idea that when a man surrenders she will leave? That is suggesting that when you reveal yourself a woman is no longer interested? So that means you keep on ‘pretending’ because you believe she will take off as soon as you reveal yourself… sure women smell shit here!
In my humble opinion it is just a trick of your ego that is afraid of surrendering…so you twist and turn and suggest that is the woman who is to blame for your not surrendering, how convienant… no guys I don’t bite!May 24, 2006 at 5:16 pm #14388
Don’t worry Dragon, I am back in place after digesting and shitting (sorry for my bold expression). The ‘person with many faces’ just made my day with his present post and inspired me to take back my seat.
I am off to drink a giant pile of dark Belgian beer in honor of all you!! I don’t think I will be able to give any decent comments after that…May 25, 2006 at 12:33 am #14390
Think seriously about what ron would invite in real life if he were to talk to someone face to face like that.May 25, 2006 at 1:03 am #14392
>>”You both should follow this advice, more than anyone else here.”
Another arrogant missionary answer. How do you know how much I train, and if you did who are you to judge my inner process anyway?May 25, 2006 at 2:02 am #14394
pity, or worse, ambivalence.May 25, 2006 at 2:08 am #14396
Your crew projects jekyll and hyde type personalities. Your method of “shocking” people mixed up with warped sexuality gives a rather sick feeling in the stomach. I am just letting you know in case you are not aware of it (but I think you are).May 25, 2006 at 2:12 am #14398
You may want to train 18 hours a day, and may get a lot from it, or not. Others may want to do what suits them. For me it has become a permanent process whether I am training actively in the moment or not.May 25, 2006 at 2:43 am #14400
>>”The depth of long sitting meditation can not be reached by any other means”
The depth also depends on your methods of course. I do most of my long meditations standing.
Back to basics, why is it that if you do so much deep meditation (and presumably ron), you guys still have so many issues with women?
You seem to have a very deep seated hatred of females (including your own inner self) with all that stuff you are posting.May 25, 2006 at 8:36 am #14402
Yes it would.
Words are limiting.May 25, 2006 at 10:53 am #14404
I am talking specifically about that garbage ron is posting, and your views on excess yang and yin (domination and submission) relationships.May 26, 2006 at 4:26 am #14406
You may think these are taken out of context. Maybe you could elaborate on them for us, or even better give us YOUR view on what relationhips should be to clarify instead of waiting for me to make a statement and then pick it apart. A belief that men should be dominant over women is essentially denying your inner yin aspect, and denying them balance. On the subject of ron and plato’s verbal and pictorial posts, they speak for themselves in their vulgarity; you can play the clean guy who defends them by your own purity, and pretend not to see what is going on.
>>”You can surrender your heart to a woman and have great connection if she does the same, but as soon as you surrender who you are, she will leave you.”
What does “who you are” mean?
>>”Spiritual cultivation naturally balances subtle energies within the body and that balance will generate a lot of energy affecting you mind, body and spirit. You naturally become strong, confident, assertive- a leader. The state of being you are in will draw to you many people; they will gravitate toward you like to the magnet and you will become the leader because you have no other choice. Weak follow the strong, in any culture or in animal kingdom.”
A true leader works for the accomplishment of the task for the collective, not for the adoration of the followers. In truth do followers exist? Where would the “leader” be if the people were not doing all the work?
>>”P:I also don’t think women want to take any more the traditional feminine role.
M: Of course they do. They just don’t have any real man to do it with.”
What is a “real man” in your view?
>>”Stillness meditation trains you to observe how things really are”
I love the way you make statements as if they are the absolute truth for everyone.May 26, 2006 at 12:09 pm #14408
Any woman who calls herself “Poohead” has no self-esteem anyway.
BTW, didn’t you say you weren’t going to read anymore of my posts?
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