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Big draw with girl

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  • This topic has 8 replies, 3 voices, and was last updated 14 years ago by Jimikir.
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  • April 18, 2011 at 9:09 am #37193
    Jimikir
    Participant

    In solo practice im have good control on ejaculation also its give me good energy for creation or for work. But with girl.. Im thinking that in dual cultivation its necessary to have DUAL cultivation. Im thinking that if your girl dont know how to do big draw its give you some difficulty when you doing big draw, becouse in this case you have much more energy in your sexual centers(then in solo practise) and when she have orgasm she not doing big draw, her energy come to her sexual center and its difficult doing big draw oneself.

    So im think that when two partners can do big draw its more easy than if you draw all energy oneself.

    April 18, 2011 at 3:41 pm #37194
    Steven
    Moderator

    Dual cultivation is more difficult because the female partner
    creates a natural draw of the sexual energy at her vagina.
    If she’s doing big draw as well, it makes it more challenging,
    not less. This is the reason why a lot of men who learned
    these techniques in old times looked for partners who knew
    nothing. That way they could be more successful and in fact,
    oftentimes selfishly keep all the energy for themselves,
    basically becoming sexual vampires and draining the women
    of their vital energy, i.e. they’ve developed their skill
    to such a degree that they not only draw up and retain their
    own energy but draw up the woman’s as well and keep that.

    Regardless of whether your partner knows these techniques
    or not, you should be making a loop of energy between you
    and your partner.

    That is, unless you are training to be a vampire . . .

    As an aside, one of the unfortunate shadow aspects of
    this tradition . . . even Lu Dongbin, the legendary Immortal
    from whom the Healing Tao formulas were purported to have
    originated, by different accounts was a sexual vampire.

    Even though I don’t do HL practices for reasons discussed
    previously, if you want some tips:
    1. Make sure you are breathing up earth qi continuously.
    The path should start at the ground, not your genitals.
    2. Having an open orbit and being well-grounded helps.
    If you need extra help, increase your contact with the ground.
    You can do this by having the woman on top of you, lying
    flat on your back . . . even better would be to have sex standing.
    3. Make sure you have a continuous loop of energy flowing
    between you and your partner, that the energy doesn’t just
    stop inside you somewhere. Unless you want to become a vampire.

    S

    April 19, 2011 at 2:50 am #37196
    Jimikir
    Participant

    But in this case she can help control your ejaculation. She can receive more pleasure and more energy from sex. Especially if she feel good shes orbit.

    Im becoming vampire when im ejaculate or injaculate and i dont like my condition after this, especially if this happens often. Yes when im ejaculate i give to her som piece, but after that i need shes energy more than when im not ejaculate and im becoming vampire…

    So you think that in sex if you not ejaculate she cant recive form you your energy?? Im think that its very individual question, if she(or you) have good orbit she(or you) can take from you energy whithout sexual contact and becoming vampire without sexual contact…

    I think that if she have good orbit, she can receive from you energy without ejaculation, and more then if you ejaculate every time. And its disputable question that she receive from you more energy when you ejaculate.

    In my experience when im often ejaculate or injaculate my girl lose interest to me. In this case i cant bring to she happiness and love when i feel after non ejaculation sex, and its not my fantasy.

    April 19, 2011 at 4:36 am #37198
    Steven
    Moderator

    My point is that there needs to be a cycling
    of energy between the both of you, regardless
    of whether you are retaining or not. It shouldn’t
    be a tug-of-war where each person is trying
    to keep the energy to themselves.

    What you are noticing is the result from not
    having the energy cycle between the two of you.
    Without this, if you ejaculate frequently, you
    lose the “charge” that gives her the feeling
    that you have something that she’d like; on the
    other hand, without the energy cycle and doing
    retaining, she will feel as though you are just
    stealing energy from her, which is likewise
    not attractive.

    If you want to retain, that’s great . . .
    but you still should have energy cycling through
    the both of you. It’s not about each person
    doing things individually during sex, it’s about
    what you can share with the other. Don’t forget
    about the heart connection. Regardless of what
    you choose your sexual practice to be, if you
    are missing the heart connection, you won’t
    be providing any true satisfaction to your partner.

    In lovemaking, it’s not about the sexual skills
    that one or both may have; it’s the love from the
    heart that’s the vital ingredient. This is
    what provides the true satisfaction for each.
    Focus on the love, not the sexual energy.

    S

    April 19, 2011 at 6:01 am #37200
    Jimikir
    Participant

    Yes its very important to transform sexual energy in love and in another good feelings or transform it in head, and orbit is so important for this transformtion. Becouse in another case you will accumulate so many sexual energy and will thinking only about sex:).

    I concentraite on my girl and on myself, not only on myself or not only on she. If i draw energy only to myself soon i will ejaculate, thats why some times i draw energy to myself some times give it to she. And after 20-30 minets of sex we have so cool connection.

    I find that now i need fewer sexual acts that i need before.

    April 20, 2011 at 12:34 pm #37202
    adel
    Participant

    I have been doing the DH
    practices for a couple of
    years. A while back I bought
    the White Tigress book and
    was using a couple of the
    exercises. I found that after
    the tigress movements, the
    sun and earth mandala became
    heavily sexually charged.
    Instead of the gold warmth I
    had been previously feeling it
    felt as if the masculine sun
    ejaculated upon me whereupon
    it carried thru me down to earth
    and came back up as an orgasm.
    It was like I was the orgasm
    between the coupling of the sun
    and earth. (I stopped doing
    the tigress exercises because I
    felt it was too early for me, I
    am still working thru fusion 1.)

    Anyway, it made me wonder if the
    HL can be practiced with the sun
    and heavens as your masculine partner
    instead of a human???and having vampire
    issues.

    I am getting
    way ahead of myself but it was kind
    of like an inkling.

    Adel

    April 20, 2011 at 3:58 pm #37204
    Steven
    Moderator

    Hi Adel,

    I think you are starting to channel in
    the higher KL formulas. 🙂

    Basically, they are just levels of
    energetic intercourse that happen on
    larger and larger cosmic levels.

    Not really a surprise, I suppose.
    Michael supercharged DHQ with elements
    from LKL, GKL, and GGKL, so you are
    already starting to get some elementary
    resonance with that material.

    In particular, the bathing phase that
    you mention has some connection to GGKL.

    In other words, this just demonstrates
    that you are finding success in your practice.

    Keep it up!

    Steven

    April 21, 2011 at 4:06 pm #37206
    adel
    Participant

    Wow…. all good but
    I am really working with
    fusion now. Just more
    good stuff to look forward
    to… I am so grateful to
    the Healing Tao staff that
    you have all taken the
    time and energy to make
    the cds so that I can
    practice far away here..

    Thanks again,
    Adel

    May 4, 2011 at 3:29 am #37208
    Jimikir
    Participant

    When im practice with girl im becoming very grounding. And its important when i feel orgasm to stay in she, if i during orgasm come out – im lose connection lose grounding and lose energy however im not ejaculate, im just was afraid that i can ejaculate in she, now im not afraid becouse have good experiments:)

    In solo practice i dont have so cool grounding.

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