February 2, 2008 at 2:27 pm #27349
Just in case this gets missed further on down the other links in the forum:
this is related to the original TAO Forum post at
it’s Carl Sagan discussing Stanislov Graf’s work on different states of consiousness in the womb…
i personally feel that while God is HOPEFUL, a semi-potent primordial consciousness is much better in the long run..
if your soul can recycle, then the world is a theater..
and nothing is that bad.. (supposing this is true…)
a primordial consciousness that is eternal leaves responsibility up to us here in this world, with the fall back that ultimately everything will be okay.. part of a life force consciousness flux…
everything is OK ultimately without false expectations or dishing off of responsibility… nature takes it’s appropriate place as intermediary between the primordial and the theater..
nothing violates the laws of life force, and souls are OK
a nice paper on what this means seems in order… to contrast omnipotence with eternal life force flux
in my opinionFebruary 3, 2008 at 12:24 pm #27350February 10, 2008 at 12:04 am #27352
I agree, this is a worthy topic. What religionists call God in my opinion is related to the creative functioning of Original Jing-Chi-Shen, and does not represent the Life Force itself, which is way more primal.
mFebruary 11, 2008 at 6:19 pm #27354
the problem to me is the poetic version of god versus the supposed “real” god
surely everyone has had those times where they have prayed for outside help or assistance…
but it’s another thing altogether to claim, bid, place bets on the existence of a all powerful being…
if somewhere in between you have some sort of consiousness before and after life that exists in some sort of preliminary and intermediary dream space
so what is goingon with JJ Hurtak and his “Trinity of Trinity” deca delta universal consiousness field god…
I mean, does he really exzpect us to think this being is omnipotent? he certainly leaves a mixed bag in his keys..
or anna hayes and her azurite press.. is this god being also supposed to be able to do whatever it wants?
i just don’t buy it… they are taking all this life force-consiousness field stuff, which is more like star wars and less like god, and throwing god in..
a universal consiousness may very well be loving and potentially even helpful, but certainly not omnipotent..
if a cosmology can suggest (as you have) that souls come and go from another dimensions of consiousness and energy WITHOUT having this seemingly false hope in a creator, it’s a least plausible and, as of, yet, not quite as lacking in proof..
i read jesus and mohammed as “the divine creator”, not the omnipotent godFebruary 12, 2008 at 2:58 am #27356
I was surprised recently to read a 1980 book by a jewish rabbi, When Bad Things Happen to Good People. by Kushner, whose kid suffered from birth from dwarfism and died at old age of 90 (biologically only 15 years old).
It lays out simple and clear “explanations” of suffering, and how the ONLY model that makes any sense is exactly the one being discussed here: that God creates Nature, but once it is created, cannot control it. Just like parents with their kids……
anyway, the book is well worth reading, short but articulate. It could free up more space for spiritual science model that includes both a creator God and free will in an ordered nature.
mFebruary 12, 2008 at 9:06 pm #27358
i have spent most of my life looking out on the grand void of space expecting nothing..
seeing no evidence of any creator, only the vastness of an unanswered universe…
i still do…
BUT there is this question of a primoridial FORCE consciousness.. or perhaps even a divine spark of consciousness in the primordial void
in the meanwhile GOD could be thought of as a poetically necessary idea..
a metaphor for something we hope is there.. perhaps even a verbalization of hope
seems to me that even Jesus lends himself to a divine creative spark.. a divine force..
but with a poetic question mark..
i asked a rabbi this recently and he said, if it was meant to be taken literally then why are there so many conflicting details… why are there so many versions within the bible itself…
thats my point of view… i am not putting much pressure on the universe… other than to find out how it can be and what the truth is
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