December 17, 2017 at 2:03 pm #51513
Does anyone have any concrete information regarding the differences / relationship between the Yoga Chakras and the 5 Elements ?
Currently I am looking at clearing out even more old sh**, and there seems to be a number of ways to do it. In the 5 Elements I am breathing the energy through on one of 5 channels – but I don’t really know what the 5 Elements are nor what is being dissolved, negative energy, but of what ?
In the Chakras it’s slightly simpler you can embody (become) your solar plexus and breathe your problems into it, and if that is the chakra in charge of that area of your existence it will dissolve them. Chakras are centres of identity.
I have heard that chakras are on the MCO, but that does not really give credence to chakras as centres of identity, yes they have energy but so does my toaster. Chakras have identity.
Does the MCO have idenity ? And of what ?
And what of the 5 elements ? Do they have identity. You can try to identity with anything, with the toilet, but it’s not going to work unless it is actually a centre of your identity.
Part of the answer seems to be that Taoism is not very hot on awakening, whereas in yoga i is all about awakening.
Taoism is more like flowing into the darkness within the darkness, like a submarine kind of realisation.
What is the order of manifestation in this universe of the 5 Elements and Chakras, which one is precedent and to what do they refer. My Chakras are my Chakras, but are the 5 Elements I used to clean myself actually mine or am I borrowing a universal force ?December 18, 2017 at 6:33 pm #51516
Most of the information available about so called chakras is quite useless.
My suggestion is to become familiar with this book:
It’s practical meditation handbook, but I don’t think that Niranjanananda is any master with yogic things.
Sorry for my broken English.
HOWDYDecember 19, 2017 at 2:59 am #51521
as the 5 phases get balanced enough for fusion to occur, this grows a more refined energy pearl which clears out the orbit, which has front and back points at various levels. Fusion also allows coupling of fire and water and at higher levels. It is necessary to acknowledge and allow the higher levels of fusion otherwise it becomes very frustrating. This does not require one to be rigid about following formulas. For example, close to the body the lower cauldron, one step up the cauldron is the earth, one step up the cauldron is the Sun (and Saturn as the belt, the container), etc. All done via resonance – the mind interacting by attention with energies at these levels. At the moment Saturn is very active, changing signs, requiring us all to get aligned with inner authority, or else have it imposed externally and in corrupt ways. This is how I perceive it. Yoga has lots of false authority, MW talks about it in the course materials. Same with oriental arts, so it helps to have good teachers who promote independence and offer good methods, with right understanding. The powerful coupling which occurs with internal alchemy is what yoga is trying to achieve. The internal energy pressure which results from doing various practices needs to get refined- transformed – otherwise it causes problems, such as amplified interpersonal power struggles. It is also possible to put stress on organs which is not relieved by doing more at that level – you need to go up the tree, then down again. If you have been working on the 5 phases via organs then next is fusion and coupling, with steaming, and going up the tree, to earth, to Sun/Saturn and down again. Then do some orbit to finish and see how your energy centres are, and which ones need more work over time. A hint, Saturn and Sun are a higher authority then mere intellect. You need your good intellect to get on board with the process but then it is over to feeling your way with good doses of intuition. Best of luck to us all.December 19, 2017 at 6:18 am #51523
It’s 530am, I have just been sitting. It’s very tranquil and peaceful.
Awakening of my presence, and then surrendering flowing into the universal and then the unknown. Very little will, just a small resting movement and the universal accepts me and merges me into the silence of existence.
Thanks for your response, but all these practices are in the opposite direction of my journey, and I believe Laozi’s journey as he describes it in Tao Te Ching. The darkness in the darkness, becoming the valley of the universe. Like sitting in the reeds by a peaceful lake at midnight, silent, but fresh, awake. Immersing down into the darkness beyond the darkness.
False Authority in yoga ? I don’t know what that means.
If you awaken your heart, it is unmistakable. It is your presence, your divinity. That is authority, and that is the only authority. Likewise each chakra has presence, though not as easy to feel as the heart. But each can be awakened and embodied, it is you. And that is authority. Universal Consciousness is authority, but not personal authority.
Qigong for me is of a practical nature, but I truly do not know where it is going.
But it does remind me of an software engineering saying that “every application expands until it can read mail”. Meaning that things get developed beyond their true purpose and become bloatware.
The valley of the universe is each to understand and wonderful.
It is enough for me and time for me to surrender.December 21, 2017 at 12:13 am #51533
…in the Chakras it’s slightly simpler…
Sorry, but maybe one should really ask what one personally understands chakras to be?
For example Swami Niranjanananda only describes meditations for various yogic purposes.
Here in this book Barbara Brennan has quite interesting phenomenological approach:
But I’m somehow not satisfied when she openly admits to be conrolled by some kind of psychic vampire.
HOWDYDecember 21, 2017 at 7:50 am #51541
With everything you do the approach should be : how does this help me abide / merge / discover my identity.
Chakras are identity. Each chakra has identity.
You can feel the energy, but that is not the point.
It is like your heart, you feel energy-feelings. But that’s not the main point. It is YOU. That is the main point.
With Chakras you can feel identity and merge with it to make it permanent.
The more fused you are with your inner identity, the less the outer world disturbs you, the less you fear death, the less you are a little person struggling.
But you can’t feel identity in a bowl of soup. Why ? Because it is not your identity.
Where inside you is your identity ?
Well the 7 yoga chakras are one place.
Can you feel identity in the 5 elements – well I am not sure ?
Certainly the identity of the heart is much stronger and more immediate.
This is what self-realisation is, to realise your self, your identity.
It’s not really cultivating energy rainbows around you.December 21, 2017 at 3:22 pm #51542
..I have heard that chakras are on the MCO…
From the book (and for example two simple illustrations) below one could start to see the connections.
Sorry for my broken English.
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