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  • August 30, 2010 at 12:35 am #35253
    DamonM
    Participant

    I remember watching the original video many years ago, this is sort of an updated version of what I remember watching.

    Had anybody ever heard of this guy?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F3ovb2kZ9Q

    August 30, 2010 at 1:07 am #35254
    Steven
    Moderator

    Hi Damon,

    That’s John Chang.

    There’s a book about him called “The Magus of Java” (see link).
    It is a fun and entertaining read.

    His methods are a simplified fire-oriented yin-yang alchemy,
    and are quite dangerous to learn. Not recommended.
    But the book is fun to read nonetheless.

    Steven

    The Magus of Java

    August 31, 2010 at 9:37 am #35256
    Dog
    Participant

    Why dangerous? How do you know? I know Rene Navaro claims to have studied with him.
    Thanks,
    Dog

    August 31, 2010 at 10:22 am #35258
    Steven
    Moderator

    In part, due to John Chang’s own admission as discussed in the book.

    In his system, you progress through certain “levels”.

    “Level 1” of his system seems pretty harmless enough; basically
    you just spend a year or so meditating on your dantian . . .

    BUT, according to John Chang’s own words about when you progress
    from Level 3 to Level 4, the meditation is supposedly extremely
    and excruciatingly painful to your body, and that it is not
    something that everyone can endure. It is this transition that is
    purported to allow the practitioner to emit the powerful “qi lightning”.

    Also, I have heard (rumored, unverified) that a number of his students,
    including the author of the book, have developed cancer,
    possibly as the result of doing these extreme practices.

    This latter bit I haven’t personally verified, but coupled with
    John Chang’s own admission about the stress that the system puts the
    body under, it makes me feel the system may not be wise (personal opinion).

    S

    August 31, 2010 at 7:08 pm #35260
    singing ocean
    Participant

    I am interested to know if the electric qi he develops is heavily polarized, or is it yuan qi infused with jing to make it tangible? Does Robert Peng in NY also use a similar method of cultivation? He also has the electric qi.

    September 1, 2010 at 10:31 pm #35262
    DamonM
    Participant

    Hi Steven,

    Thanks for the info, I was not aware that a book on him was written. I will definitely pick up a copy.

    At most these demonstrations are inspirational for me on my current course of practice but I don’t feel that this fire method is for me in this life. And by it’s very nature I could see it being dangerous to mess with.

    It would be interesting to understand these different qi practices as singing ocean has stated.

    Damon

    October 10, 2010 at 11:56 am #35264
    c_howdy
    Participant

    I bought that book by Kosta(s) Danaos (=Dervenis) few days ago and quickly read it.

    Somehow symptomatic is what comes to John Chang’s described daily habits, that he is quite ordinary man enjoying cigars and tasty Chinese food (though sometimes also something from Thai kitchen) etc.

    I mean I’m still thinking Anneliese Michel, this possessed German girl.

    Pattern seem to be that ‘saints’ are getting demons after themselves. It’s better to take care that one sins enough.

    H

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