Control Issues, What are they and who is doing it? What is the principle?

seems like there is something else up with it though..

seems like control is based on security and sex.. and then pleasure..

total control, no danger..

total control, screw who you want when you want..

total control, have what you want when you want it..

BUT

then we come right into conflict with tao principles exposited here which place importance on

1) total universal peace with all other souls..primacy of love/spirit over all else
2) effortless participation in a unified consiousness field where natural harmony “works out” as marriage between heaven and earth

3) some sort of predominant mental realm of souls

or someting to that effect..

but still, look at china and tibet, or any wars throughout history.. what is really going on?

do we need so much military?

where is the shade of grey ebtween heaven and earth and control issues

does it really work.. do you get what you want when you want the same way you would if you had total control of everything?

BUT, next point,

doesn’t taking control preclude universal equality, but how real is universal equality?

surely in a true frindship and soul to soul human meeting there should be PURITY.. based on a genuine spirutal goodness between people..

enter democracy..

hmm..

i think it comes down to genuine white light of the void spiritual purity between people… friendship

“There is no such thing as total control.”

of what? people have taken control of each other for millenia
people have taken control of natural forces..
people of other worlds have probably taken control of space… what would be an example of LACK of control or of it being an illusion?

“Total control implies a rigid unchanging structure.
However, the only thing unchanging is change, i.e.
the Tao path as directed by the life force.”

by total control, i basically mean control of potential threats, forcing of others to conform to one’s own desires..

practically speaking this means elimination of nuisances, securing of necessities, luxuries at whim, sex as desired etc

“Furthermore, according to Tao principles, the easiest
way to destroy a quality, is to take it to its extreme.
In the extreme, the opposite must be birthed. In this
way also, total control can not exist, because in such a
principle the breaking of control is born.

This is why you think you have an “apparent” conflict; it’s because
total control doesn’t exist in the first place!

Those who operate from a standpoint of control are
operating in a state of illusion.”

this seems like brain spinning if you ask me.. what i am saying is notice the benefits of TOTAL CONTROL

1) removal of threat
2) control of resources to ones own end
3) what you want when you want

but this is not vague or abstract, this is LAND SHELTER FOOD SEX

“It’s better to just effortlessly follow the natural
path that unfolds from the Tao.

Your example of China/Tibet, military and wars
is an example of this. Yet another attempt to
try to create or maintain some type of control–
all ultimately fruitless endeavors. This is just
a fear-based response in reaction to future uncertainty.”

Oh NO! more brain spinning IMHO.. just look, what if Tibet had had TOTAL CONTROL and BEEN PEACEFUL

well then this situation wouldn’t exist.. maybe there was another pathway such as the industrialization of Tibet but still..

“Regarding your last comment, I disagree with this issue
of purity. Purity is an almost meaningless word as
it takes on a different meaning depending on the person
using it while at the same time it is taken to mean some
absolute–which is self-contradictory because there are
no absolutes.”

Oh No! this is my whole point.. with all the reasons there are to take TOTAL CONTROL which are pretty much non-debateable, the ONE TRUE REASON not too in my opinion is joy purity and unity through love

it takes democratic compromise on everyone’s part..

and as pointed out with Tibet, may require a framework of PEACEFUL TOTAL CONTROL to facilitate PEACEFUL DEMOCRACY..

what a tightrope