October 5, 2007 at 7:22 pm #24739October 6, 2007 at 7:57 am #24740
… enjoying this thanx for posting it. I didn’t know who Credo Mutwa was; for anyone else who doesn’t he is top guy in zulu shamanism. And he’s wonderful to listen to! I’m going to check out the whole thing I think, thanks again Intelligence. jOctober 6, 2007 at 9:54 am #24742
“Ordinary people cannot trust these things today. In olden days they could, but today because they are confused by christianity and western education they cannot grasp the enormity of these things and others that we have to pass on. At this moment sir I am struggling to find someone I can pass this knowledge to before I pass away.”
The attitude of the christian missionaries in stamping out these things – and they did it everywhere they went, not just in Africa – caused a loss of knowledge that is completely tragic. Note Intelligence, he doesn’t say it’s Christ himself who confuses people, but ‘christianity’.
I love this guy, gonna listen to more! jOctober 6, 2007 at 12:31 pm #24744
… Disappointed there was not a mention from Mutwa of any real shamanistic practices themselves although he was very moving I thought on the disappearance of the tribes that had held onto them in the current tragedy of African life.
What was so interesting listening to this for me was how many other recent conversations on this forum seemed connected to it. The dragon thing is connected for certain for example. Thought I’d just give my reactions and if anyone else has listened they can add?
1. Icke’s anti-reptilian agenda is distorting things and not allowing them to speak thought I’d better say that! It’s a shame because in fighting undoubted disinformation he may be spreading it a little too. The dragon issue plays in because of the reptilian connection and the reptile brain. We were talking earlier about the ambivalent nature of humanity’s relationship with dragons, and I think we concluded it really is ambivalent – eg. as Dylan said Lu Dong Bin was also a dragonslayer. So we can’t oversimplify! This ambivalence is running through everything being said I think.
2. The old legends Mutwa tells are so evocative of other legends! He says that the reptilians gave us the gift of fire but also made us disobedient to god. This might remind you of the legend of Prometheus who also gave us fire and was punished by Zeus for so doing. He is seen in the Greek legend as a hero. He also belonged to an older race who came before the Olympian gods, the titans. These legends in turn are echoed in celtic mythology also.
3. Mutwa also says that the reptilians gave us ego. I think it might be more accurate to say they stoked our egoism. But he gives something here which does actually parallel the genesis temptation-of-eve story in terms of the role played by the serpent – if not in level of misogyny. He says also that the reptilians destroyed out power of telepathy by giving us language – is there an echo of the babel story there? For certain ego destroys the sensitivity required for astral senses so there is something in what these legends say, but… ambivalent.
4. The reptile thing itself. In the discussion about St George I never managed to mention what the original Anatolian legend stated, which was that George did not fight the dragon or anything, he simply showed it a cross and it bowed to him. That cross was not the christian cross but equal-armed, representing the uniting and equalizing of the four elements vanquishing the ego (or five for taoists). Later it was turned into an anti-pagan symbol.
5. The question of the meddling with our DNA on the part of the reptilians. I have looked into Marciniak’s Pleiadian channellings and they are quite specific that something was indeed done. I also found a reference to this in the book of Kings, I think I could look that up.
6. Ambivalence again: the nagas gave us kundalini yoga. The magnificent angkor wat temple in cambodia was sacred to serpentine beings long before it had anything buddhist about it and is orientated towards the constellation of draco. Icke is just dead wrong that reptile=bad, eg. in his talk about the depictions of reptile gods. But the Chinese know this of course. The Chinese new year ceremony is about a man leading a dragon, that is, a person who is in harmony with his earth and ‘reptile self’.
7. Much of what Mutwa says jibes with Burisch, whom I believe Icke has yet to link up with. I’m thinking particularly of the fact that none of these beings are ‘aliens’ but they are part of our lineage from pasts and futures and alternate presents. But talking only about reptilians is limiting if people like Camelot interviewee Clifford Stone, with his talk of 57 exo races total, are to be believed. (His interview is terrific I think.)
… much more occurred to me but has anyone else staggered to the end of this show? jOctober 6, 2007 at 9:08 pm #24746
i think mutwa sounds sincere but who knows, i have not looked into the authenticity of his lineage… not enough time
but it’s interesting nonetheless.. icke, well i think icke is fun but is probably a discredit to mutwa..
i draw more on the dogon accounts of the nommo amphibian species and their starships in africa, which i really do think are legit..although i don’t have enough time to do that either
if you ever look into anna hayes voyagers and azurite press they think there are many different variations including reptilian, amphibian, cetacean-humanoid, bird, and lion/homonid..
but who knows..
my personal impression is that dna is really an electromagnetic spindle that can have textures and tones tuned on it like keyboard..
i think an extra serpent/reptile gene can be crossed into a homonid gene..
but, one way or another, the reason here for looking into this stuff was
1) i think there is a clue to dna and it’s relationship to a full body electromagnetic code
2) i think it’s about telepathy and space migration
3) sometimes i think as we look more into things we will learn some fascinating things about ourselves and future.. the circuit model has a lot to do with that
i want star trek to be real, and it hink circuit 7 space species and electromagnetic genetic systems are part of that and real..October 7, 2007 at 5:33 am #24748
>>i want star trek to be real<<
Sorry, for some reason that's not something I expected to hear you say! jOctober 7, 2007 at 2:50 pm #24750
As I’m sure you know, this ties in with the gnostics view of the Archons and the demiurge having the body of a serpent and the head of a Lion. Some great information on the metahistory site about this. This was a protective symbol for them in some way as well as representing their greatest enemy – skitszo or what?! They reasoned that to claim the kundalini power from the adversary was their best protection according to John Lash.
Michael Harner, also seems to mention Dragons as claiming to rule our reptilian brain and DNA in his first visionary journey.
DylanOctober 7, 2007 at 5:11 pm #24752October 8, 2007 at 1:12 am #24754
Young Jedi It looks like you have some good info to help you on your journey, and in facing a Sith lord especialy the one called Darth Maul. 🙂October 8, 2007 at 5:15 am #24756
… a little bit bizarre when the presenter speculated that there is a deliberate preparation of the audience involved in that. I was going to write about how pop culture is tuned into all this stuff anyway, human creative instinct is a marvellous thing. Dragons in general obviously figure largely.
In any case, one couldn’t call Darth Maul a prep for reptilians taking over the world, since he ends up being only a bit part who gets cut in half… lol j
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