October 7, 2006 at 5:22 am #18378
hey there! just browse the web look like some real teachings and truth beyond the HT propagandas are appearing again it was time!
I sent this letter to those of you who contacted me personally after my initial invitation to learn more about David and his teachers. Because of some exciting recent developments, I have decided to post it here in the hopes that others will find some benefit and have access to the same opportunities. If any of you have heard enough and would rather not take part in what is offered here, thats fine, but I hope you will allow those interested discuss these matters without adding idle speculation and undue criticism. Your opinions and skepticism are welcome and healthy, but speculative Slams just cause unnecessary bad feelings and lead others astray. We all have different needs and directions and this practice doesn’t fit all sizes. I won’t take it at all personally if you are uninterested and unimpressed.
Thank you for your patience. Some you have already heard of my teacher David Verdesi. He is a student of many masters in China and other parts of Asia as well as an anthropologist and author. Despite the occasional attempts to discredit David in the past decade, he is truly one of the few western seekers, in my opinion, to have formed any meaningful relationship with high level masters in China. I will try and cover the basic idea of whats being offered.
Let me start by just clearing any doubt that what David is teaching is in some way a cult. David and the people that take his trainings are for the most part quite ordinary, working class, normal people. Im a school teacher in Oregon and very involved in my community; most people I work with have no idea I study qigong. Im offering this opportunity for two reasons: one, it took me a long time to find the real thing and I can relate to people like me who just want to find a real master and begin pursuing some manner of authentic training; two, David and his masters want to share want they have learned with the world and genuinely want to help people and Im happy to help them in that endeavor.
It wasnt easy for me. I didnt have someone just drop this in my lap on an internet discussion forum. Actually, my Dad got me into Tai Chi when I was around 21 years old. He had cancer and, because there was no treatment at that time for this particular type, he started doing tai chi and changed his diet among other alternative approaches. Anyway, something clicked for me and I went through a lot of money and time researching, in my own small way, what was out there and taking various workshops when I could afford it. I also got really Buddhism which is still something I still practice. I dabbled in Kriya Yoga and some of the other Indian systems and studied various Daoist qigong methods. Then around 1998 I started training to become a Healing Tao instructor as Ive written about on the Tao Bums forum; after several negative experiences there and the disappointment of realizing I was practicing ineffective and incomplete methods, I decided it was time to move on.
In 2000 I read Kostas book and after a brief courtship went to Athens with my girl friend and then 6 month old son and asked to be accepted as a student. It was around this time that I received information about an ongoing lawsuit against the Healing Tao from an Author named Master Choa Kok Sui; I guess hes some kind of Pranic Healing guru. Anyway there was a copy of his book and a line by line comparison of one of Mantak Chias new books written by Dirk Oellibrandt. It was page after page of word for word plagiarism. At this point I wasnt surprised, but I did some further research and turned up other, similar lawsuits.
For about a month after word, I received letters from Mantak Chias people asking instructors not to panic and saying that the Dao belongs to everyone and a bunch of explanations that, quite frankly didnt excuse the obvious dishonesty taking place. Anyway, the whole thing was disgusting and totally deleted whatever little respect for the Healing Dao I had left at that point. Eventually the whole thing was covered up the Pranic Healing people were paid some kind of settlement or something to that effect. Ironically the book went on to be published with the plagiarism reworded. Of course, people just eat it up and think theyre gifted cosmic healers after a few months of training. Anyway I could write a book on all the crap that people buy into out there and Its not my intention to make the focus of this letter about the Healing Tao, but it just really burns me up that I spent two years teaching people these methods and giving them hope and having to turn around and say sorry, its all pretty useless.
Moving on, I studied with one of Kostas students for about two years, completing the first part of the level one training and beginning the second part. I thought I had finally found it, but two years later that was over and John Chang wasnt taking students or teaching anymore. It was another disappointment; and not just for me, but a lot of people who had invested many years of their lives and a lot of money too. David was also a student of John Chang, among others, at this time and is still good friends with him. And it was at this time that Andreas, an older student of John Chang, asked David to offer his training to former Mo Pai who, finding themselves without a practice, needed something to fill the void. I guess David didnt think much of the idea at the time because he already has more students then he truly wants on some levels. In any case, Andreas was persistent because he knew David knew other masters like John Chang.
Every year during the beginning of the New Year, John Chang calls on the ancestors for guidance. Students generally try to be there if they can as its generally an auspicious time. If youve never read the book, when Sherfu Chang calls his master, his master appears fully manifested in physical form accompanied by thunder and lightning and a tremendous wind. On several occasions these immortal masters recognized David for whatever reason, saying that he knew a great deal more than he should for a western barbarian. The Chinese present during these particular visits were surprised to learn Davids connections and knowledge are far more considerable than he lets on. Sherfu Chang was surprised too.
Then about a year and a half ago, David was invited to a private forum started by Andreas. He wrote some amazing articles in his Italianized English that basically blew me away. I hope he writes a book about his life so people can read this stuff because hes led an amazing life; he says hes waiting till he achieves yin yang gong (level 5) before he writes his story. Anyway, I had a lot of questions, very much like the questions Im seeing in reaction to my posts. As hard as it is to paint a picture of what he knows via the internet, David managed to impress many of us with his heart and knowledge. Eventually he offered to train those who were interested.
David shared a lot with us and made some important points. He said that John Chang could sense the presence of at least 10 level 64 masters of the Lei Shan Dao in China and many more at or around his level, not to mention all the others below his level. None of these are MoPai, which is just one line of the Lei Shan Dao. Just as a reference, level 64 represents full enlightenment and a great deal of power in the Lei Shan Dao. Supposedly, at level 64, a master can will enlightenment on others and can extend his own life at will.
David told us that there are many methods more effective than Mo Pai in the line of the Lei Shan Dao. Especially, for women who have given birth; in Mo Pai the practice isnt possible for women who have had a baby. Some of these methods have produced dozens of masters like John Chang in the past decade, where Mo Pai has produced only one, John Chang himself. This is mainly because, of the 12 or so techniques that are used to achieve level 4/5, Mo Pai only use four and John Chang only helps a student with his energy when they have reached level three, a feat almost impossible without the masters help and empowerment. David feels that Sherfu Chang never truly intended to teach but to a few close students and from the information Ive gathered, I tend to concur.
He also shared some amazing stories about the history and origin of these teachings and how that history has played out over the last several hundred years in China, Tibet and India. David has traveled extensively in Tibet and India in addition to his travels in China looking for masters and researching the various traditions there. John Chang has done the same, even leaving his body to search out remote mountain retreats. By the way, the idea that Michael Winn tracked some of Davids teachers in the astral is a little silly in my opinion. Sherfu Chang said he found only three masters in the Himalayas, all in remote caves practicing alone. They both found nothing like the living tradition of the Lei Shan Dao in China.
David has many high connections with Tibetan masters and even studied with the tutor of Dilgo Kyetses tulku, who was one of the Dali Lamas root gurus. During this time he personally interviewed a veritable whos who of masters and lamas in Tibet, India, Nepal, and Bhutan and all said that the last remnants of these practices were lost 150 years ago.
What follows is a snippet of a much longer article written by David on a private forum:
Always the Magus [John Chang] told, and showed proof of an otherwise lost truth; the real wheels of dharma, the flaming chakras of Vishnu, that once upon a time used to crown a new Buddha, are long lost from India and Tibet; altogether three sacred objects. David is talking about objects of unimaginable power. [According to Sherfu Chang,] until [the chakras are] reunited, real vajra power will not be born in Tibet anymore (and Tibet cannot be freed, he said, no-comment on political issues here). Nowadays the crowning of a new high lama is done by presenting a symbolic wheel of dharma, not the real one.
Where are they? In Indonesia, in China, not in Tibet or in India; and, the story goes, they were lost along with the vajrayana power… Truth or tale? I do not know, but Sherfu can prove his part at least.
David actually saw one of these Chakras. It belongs to a Lei Shan Dao Master who is about level 20. I guess this master said he needs to be at full power before he can even hold it. According to this master, the Dali Lama requested to have this Chakra back (I cant imagine that conversation). I guess the answer was no.
During his search in Tibet, David was led by a very unusual set of circumstances to study with a master of the Miao Tong or Enlightenment line of the Dao in Korea. This master, so were told, was the student of a living Buddha. When David was in Korea he met this Buddha and saw many well known masters there who were in residence and had come to study with him. These included the Dali Lama and other high lamas from Tibet, who were all bowing down to and paying respect, etc
One day this Buddha gives a teaching called the shout of awakening. He takes his staff and pounds it on the stone floor of the mountain monastery with preternatural power. Im told it sounded like thunder. Anyway, then the Buddha gives this un-human shout that David describes as a very loud alarm clock like sound. He went on to say that the shout was like hearing an alarm, but not being able to wake up and turn it off. As I understand it, if you are ready and youve gone through the requisite training, you can spontaneously awaken from the dream when the Buddha gives the shout of Awakening.
After the teaching was over, David walked away behind his master (I guess in this tradition the student always follows behind the master three paces). As they were walking, David indicated that he would like to ask a question, so the master stops and turns to David, Master, it really is like trying to wake up from a deep sleep! The master replies, Oh David, you hear sound of awakening and you still sleep; this is very bad. After which he turns around and keeps walking. Suddenly the Master stops and turns around to David, Its okay, Dali Lama still not awake also.
There are dozens of stories like this; each one more incredible than the next. David also shared many unknown, and lesser known details of the history and development of modern Daoism. Id like to share a few points that I found particularly useful:
There are, in China, 6 major lines of Taoism; in no particular order, they are:
Lei Shan Dao: the thunder and lightning path.
Yang Shen Dao: developing the immortal fetus.
Tong Ling: Religious Dao; prayer, incantation, use of symbols; devotional in nature.
Miao Tong Dao: Enlightenment Dao founded by Lao Tzu; most illusive path; no method path.
Jin Dan: Alchemical path.
Shamanic Tao: the study of nature.
All of these paths have different methods designed to achieve goals that, while they differ in many ways, all lead to liberation and similar abilities.
While its true that only the Lei Shan Dao produces this trade mark electricity. The other Lines of the Dao have there own variety of abilities and achievements. David told us of a meeting between 4 or 5 masters, each from a different line. Each was asked to make the same glass bottle rise with their respective powers. The Lei Shan Dao Master used his qi; the Miao Tong wished it with his mind; the Tong Ling called a spirit to lift it, etc From the point of view of the outside observer, the bottle simply levitated the same way for each master, but, in reality, they each used a different energy. David told us this story to illustrate his assertion that one who claims to be enlightened should also be able to demonstrate it and that Masters who talk of enlightenment, but fail to demonstrate at least some ability beyond just talk should give us, as seekers, pause. Superpowers are simply a natural outcome of correct practice and, as such, they represent a much more profound internal transformation. As many of you have rightly stated, these powers are not the goal. They are however very specific indications of the level of internal development of “the body-mind” of a given individual. For example, the demonstration where I witnessed water being transformed into sweet necture by Sherfu J is indicative of the fact that Sherfu J has transformed his own body-mind in a profound way. The evidence of this is the healing power of this liquid, which makes those who drink it incredibly flexable. David told me that he could do the spilts after drinking a bottle of this altered water; I guess he used to be pretty tense and inflexable.
Of all of these paths, the Lei Shan Dao is the most realistic for the western mind and life style. The other five paths require tremendous commitments of time and energy and cannot be accomplished while living a normal life in society. For example the Yang Shen Dao, perhaps one of the more written about practices requires a life style of constant meditation for decades to master. Im told Wang Li Ping, who is a master of the Yang Shen Dao as well as the other five lines, wont even consider a student unless they can sit in a meditative state, in full lotus for at least four hours with no discomfort.
As a side note, the reason Wang Li Ping retreated from the public eye is very sad. Its seems some westerners, convinced he is a fake, urged some of the more public Daoist teachers to denounce him. Ironically, the so called masters who were critical of Sherfu Wang are practitioners of little or no achievement, who, initially supported by the government as a kind of cultural renewal for tourists, really have done the world a disservice. In turn Sherfu Wang, not wanting to create a show and quite content to be out of the public eye, said, Okay, you win and retired from public teaching. Of course he continued his work privately and continues extend his influence and powers to help his community in incredible ways.
To be successful in all the paths, one also requires a teacher who has accomplished the requisite training and is qualified to teach in that line. For example, in the Lei Shan Dao, a teacher would need to be well above the so called level four and five as written about by Kostas in his book the Magus of Java. He would need to be able to use his energy to check the students progress and correct imbalances; also he would give empowerments to the student via energy transfer. A master of the enlightenment path would have to be fully awakened in order to be able to guide the student; a Tong Ling would be able to confer with high level spirits and command them to his will, etc…
When we first met David he told us about his first meeting with a real master who happens to belong to the line of Jin Dan or Alchemical Daoism. This master and his students are many hundreds of years old, some even older, and live in remote regions in China. They come and go from different worlds only dreamt of by mortals. They were the ones who blessed David with the ability to sense the location and energy of other masters. As a side note, this is how David met John Chang; he had a vision of Sherfu Chang and where he was living at the time. When they met for the first time, John Chang looked at David and said he could see that he had been drawn there by a vision. Anyway, David told us the story of this encounter with the Jin Dan masters and showed us two pieces of mercury that were originally liquid, but had been touched or blessed by the masters qi; one was consistency of clay and had been touched with yang qi and the other fully hardened in the shape of a perfect half sphere was touched with yin. David passed the one with yang qi around for us to feel; because I have developed some qi in my practice with Mo Pai, I felt a tiny electric tic when I touched the yang infused mercury. The point is this, when the master blesses you, your practice, just like the mercury David showed us, instantly progresses in a way that it never could without the blessing of an achieved master. A master can make your Dan tien grow much faster than it normally would.
Today we have come to believe that a blessing from a holy person is just a symbolic act with no power or energy behind it. Sadly, this is the case most of the time. But, when a real master touches you with his qi, Dan, the real elixir of alchemy, is created.
If you have an opportunity to study with David, he teaches the principles behind the cultivation of Dan, or cinnabar as its called in ancient Daoist texts, in depth. I have heard from several sources I trust that John Chang himself confirmed that Davids teaching methods and the masters he studies with and knows are authentic and high level. And, of course my own personal story with the masters was validation of the reality of these things for me in a very real way.
David currently lives in Thailand and will be moving soon to live in China near his master. In August a gathering of over 300 masters and practitioners from eight sacred mountains that included Wutang Shan, Tian Shan, Emei Shan, Huang Shan, Song Shan, Kunlun Shan, Qing Cheng Shan and Hua Shan took place as David and his wife were made family or Tu Di disciples of one of the Masters there whom I have described in my posts on Taobums and Shaolin Wahnam (Sherfu J). Davids teacher, master J, is a Yin Yang Gong master of the Lei Shan Dao or Thunder and Lightening path. I personally witnessed this amazing event and the amazing feats of the masters who attended.
Interestingly, one of the members here posted a video of one of Davids masters. This particular master is well known in government circles and a good friend of the master David is currently training with. David does introduce students to this master:
Yesterday I received an exciting letter from David about an opportunity to meet a master and train with David in Asia. I decided to open this opportunity up to a larger audience in the various forums I have posted on because I feel it represents an important step for our community of seekers here in the States. Take your time to consider whats being offered; this is an opportunity to meet a high level master and train with David for two to three weeks in the first steps of the foundation practice; the methods taught are given as a full transmission with the blessing of the masters who have passed them on to David. In addition, it looks like the master may spend some time personally overseeing the training and helping students with his energy. It looks like the master attending will be either Sherfu J or L as I have described in my earlier posts on this thread, but that will be decided later. Its my deep hope that this offer is recognized for what it is; I can confidently say that this is the first time an offer like this has been presented in this way and that those who attend will have their lives altered in a profound way.
Whether or not the training becomes a reality will depend largely on the level of interest generated. David would like to hold the training in late May or early June 2007. Those who attend will need to commit at least two to three weeks to train and spend time with the master. The training I attended with David was condensed in the sense that David taught us a more complete version of the practice, usually taught over a two year period. This will probably be the case for this training as well. There is also a beginning training this summer in Denmark. The training in Denmark will be the standard first year training from what I understand and will be given by one of Davids other students as far as I know; David will be training students there too, so he may oversee the beginning training- I not sure about the details of this yet.
The tuition for the training in Asia is 5,000 Euros, not including travel expenses; however, if we have a large group the cost could potentially be considerably reduced. I know many of you are working class like me and this represents a substantial financial investment. Again, consider whats being offered carefully and take your time to come to a decision. David has spent, literally hundreds of thousands of dollars in his years of research and study to be able to bring these opportunities into the light. Whats being offered is five to ten times less than what many of these masters charge to meet non-introduced students; and even then there is no guarantee you would receive the level of training offered by David. Some students wait years after meeting the master to receive just the first step; this was my experience with Mo Pai.
In the past David has allowed some students with legitimate financial circumstances to pay over time. I cant speak for this training, but that may be an option for some of you. The cost for this type of training tends to weed out those who are less serious; just like any professional athletic trainer or consultant in any field for that matter, David teaches to those who are truly invested in the practice as a life long pursuit. Those that are, will see that this offer is a generous one and that opportunities like his are rare.
For those that are interested, but cannot afford the training in Asia, Denmark is still an option, but space it limited as David likes to keep the groups there relatively small and intimate. The prices for this have not been set yet, but I will pass on more details as I become aware of them.
Im sure some of you will have questions, so feel free to ask. If you personally know people who would be interested, you are welcome to pass this information on to them.
Here is some basic information:
Foundation Training takes about 1.5 to 2 years of the 3 years total training. Ji Shen Ji Jubei, meaning to own and master yourself completely, is the process of creating the dan tien and gets you ready for the more advanced work of neikung. David usually requires you to go through this Foundation Training before he will take you to see a Master, but there are exceptions to this; the trip to Asia next spring will likely not be offered again. Thats partly why I wanted to open up the opportunity. Its good to meet a master and experience some of these things first hand.
Heres a quick run down of whats being offered in terms of training for those who would like to explore for themselves.
A few of the requirements:
1. 4 months of celibacy when you begin the foundation training. Celibacy here means no sex of any kind.
2. Training is fairly expensive. It has to be important and something you really want to make an investment in.
3. Meditation for about an hour and 30 minutes twice a day. Plus a qigong form that was developed in the Lei Shan Dao Tradition for about an hour at least 3 times a week.
Since several of you have asked the same questions, I put together a few answers to try and address them all rather than responding to each of you personally:
What is the outcome of the three year training? After the first 1.5 to 2 years, you will have created your dan tien and, if you have practiced well, you will be able to still the mind totally and rest in the light of the ling qi or divine aspect of the qi. This is a critical step; with out it, nei gong cannot commence.
As a side note, one of the side effects of this stage of the practice is total control over your sexual organs and energy. This is the real sexual alchemy of the Dao; unlike the ill designed methods of the Healing Tao, these abilities occur naturally as a bi product of correct training and no woman can make you ejaculate if you dont want her to. And for women, at some point in the practice, the monthly cycle ceases and they develop similar abilities to control their sex organs. Men who undergo this training can literally drink a glass of water with their penis and, despite what other so called experts have written on the subject, this is the true test of mastery for this relatively minor achievement.
Ironically, in terms of cultivation, it makes no difference whether you ejaculate or not; sex of any kind wastes the fragile jing. In fact, its better for you to just ejaculate if you are not training. All this saving your self that Mantak Chia is preaching is basically fruitless. John Chang has normal sex with his wife twice a week and has for the last 40 years and he’s one of the highest level masters on the planet.
At the end of this training, students are tested and must be able to pull an object (telekinesis) toward them using their qi. John Chang was amazed that David could do this without the help that he normally gives with his qi. By the way, completing the foundation practice allows you to progress in nei gong at a considerably quicker pace than those who have no prior training, saving years in the practice and preventing many possible health issues.
David does teach neigong after students have completed the foundation training. David knows the practice up to level three as far as I know and, if all goes well, he will achieve yin yang gong in the next two to three years and begin teaching it to his students. Several of his students have completed level two. When these students went to train with Sherfu L in Bangkok, Sherfu showed them how to levitate about an inch off the ground. David was able to levitate also. I guess Sherfu has you sit on news paper and when you start lifting off, he pulls it out from under you without tearing it.
A few of Davids students were recently accepted by Sherfu L and are now training with him. As David explained it, this has to be your Tian Ming or destiny. When the student is ready the master can see it.
Several of the masters David knows are open to teaching westerners. There are opportunities to study with these masters and the foundation training is common to several different major lines of the Dao, so theres no real concern of having to commit to just the Lei Shan Dao. You might for example be more drawn to the Yang Shen Dao or practice dual cultivation. Im told Wang Li Ping is a master in all of the major Dao and David told me he is going to bring his older students to meet Sherfu Wang as early as this year. At the highest levels, the distinction between lines begins to overlap; the highest level masters are often skilled in one or more of the lines from what Im told.
Of course there are no guarantees in life. Like any endeavor, you have to do the work and be successful in your practice to move forward. But, David is very optimistic about the future and pleased that there is some interest in these things from you all.
David does bring scientific organizations or people just looking for healing or who really dream to witness a demonstration directly to meet some of these masters who are open to such things. Generally the fee for this type of service is quite high however and I sense that most of you are interested in the training and want to pursue that line if anything. If you want to train with David, just email me and let me know. Please write something that would convey your sincerity and perhaps a few words about yourself so I can get a picture of who you are. Just be yourself.
If you do know anyone who would like to meet a master directly without bothering with the training or you yourself have this desire, please contact me and I can arrange this for you. You would need to perhaps tell me a little about yourself and we would need to discuss the matter over the phone at the very least before you would meet with David. This would include demonstrations and treatments and video taping and recording of the demonstrations. Of course all this would be negotiated with David.
I hope this answers some of your questions. If youre interested you can join a private forum that Im putting together for David; it will be ready for new members in a few weeks. On it he has written about a dozen short articles with some amazing information in them. You can also interact with his students and ask questions about the training and so forth. There is a yearly fee to join. This is not a requirement in anyway and if you just want to train, but have more questions you can ask me, within reason. If you want, I can also put you in touch with David, but you really have to write me a letter that shows me some heart and gives me a sense of who you are before I do that.
Warm regards and God bless, Sean Denty firstname.lastname@example.orgOctober 7, 2006 at 5:24 am #18379
cut the letter short same link of thetaobums or wongkiewkit….Before meeting David I researched all the topics about him on the internet. I read about all the dirt just like you are doing. So of course I was a little worried. Well when I met David and saw how normal he was and when the retreat actually started I felt a lot better as I felt responsible for everyone signing up for the retreat. David even laughed about some of the things that are written about himself on the internet.
We met with David in Thailand and the first two days he took us to see Sifu L. Sifu L touched different points like the Bai Hui, Dan Tien, and third eye in order to help us with our meditation and the upcoming Foundation Training. What was incredible was the electricity that came out of his fingers. It was almost like sticking your finger in an electrical outlet. To me that experience made the whole trip worth it. I still feel the point on the Bai Hui where Sifu L had touched when I think about it.
I must say that David is very connected to several Masters. At the time we had met he said he had met 8 Yin Yang Gong Masters and two of them were women. I guess that number is larger now that
he is initiated by Sifu J as a family disciple. During the retreat I heard David speaking with Sifu John Chang on the telephone. A girl at our retreat mentioned that David had taken a group of them to meet with Sifu Chang the previous December. I also spoke with David about Wang Liping. David had told us that he was a personal teacher of Wang Liping. I asked David how he communicated with him and David said by telephone and he showed me his telephone where he had Wang Liping’s phone number listed.
After the Foundation Training David invited us all to go with him to China to see his wife and himself initiated as family disciples of Sifu J who is a Yin Yang Gong Master. He is part of a lineage that we call Lei Shen Dao or Thunder and Lightning path. Sean was the only one that had the money or time to go. So we all waited for his trip report.
I would recommend studying with David if you actually want to start training in this type of meditation (Thunder and Lightening Path) and want to have the opportunity to meet with genuine Masters as opposed to just talking about it.October 7, 2006 at 5:33 am #18381
One more cool letter from Mr Deanty…i mean this is it not more bullshit want the real deal!!!
….If you do have an interest in learning these arts, I would invite you to email me personally. Please send me an email even if you have already contacted me; in the subject line of your email just write FOUNDATION in caps. In the email please write your full name and nothing more. Please, no further comments or questions; save those for David. You will have plenty of opportunities to ask David deeper questions than I can give answer to. One caution, David is not interested in humoring idle curiousity; think seriously about wether you are truly interested to learn more about this training before you email me. Are you really ready to change your life style at this time? If not, then please don’t waste your time. Heres my email: email@example.com Please don’t PM me. You need to use my direct email as I won’t be checking back to the forum any time soon unless David asks me to.
What follows is a personal account of my recent trip to Asia that I shared with some fellow students. This particular letter focuses in on my experience with two masters I met who are in the Lei Shan Dao, thunder path lineage. Like John Chang or Dijang, whichever you prefer, they displayed abilities beyond the scope of mainstream reality, including telekinesis, pyrogenesis, alteration of fluids and matter (alchemy), manifestation of spiritual light and sounds and other incredible things. They are both amazing people too. Please note that I hold both these men in the highest esteem and personal attacks would be very hurtful. Its easy to say hurtful things when youre looking in from the outside, but both these men deserve your respect even if you are only reading about them.
To protect their privacy, I have not used there actual names.
Sherfu J, the master that recently accepted David as a family student, has trained over thirty students to the so called level four and above. Apparently this is usually accomplished in only a few years with the training that he gives. When you compare that to the fact that the head of Mo Pai, John Chang has brought no students to this level in thirty years, its easy to see that the Mo Pai system is a much more raw and unrefined technique. Despite Sherfu Changs immense power, he is one of the highest masters of the Lei Shan Dao alive; he hasnt been successful in his teaching, in part because he never intended to do so. In all this time, he has only truly accepted two students as real family, both Chinese.
The practice David teaches is the same one taught by Wang Li Ping. Its also used as a foundation practice for the Lei Shan Dao and has been taught in its current form for many thousands of years, unchanged. It is the practice that enables one to create the Dan, the true elixir of alchemy, so treasured by the masters. Without this foundation, qigong cannot take place in the body-mind. David also teaches the neikung of the Lei Shan Dao. This is an invitation to sincere seekers to learn this training and go beyond it as well.
Heres my letter:
Okay here is a taste of what I experienced. Jordons description of Sherfu L was very accurate and my experience was very similar. I can actually still feel where he touched the top of my head and my mid eye point when I practice, so I think there was something to what David said about the empowerment he gave helping us with the practice. Ls treatment was more of an empowerment I would say, as opposed to a healing or diagnosis which a better descriptor for Sherfu Js treatment; Im sure that both masters probably do both. When L touches the top of your head with his qi, you literally see a light like a Forth of July sparkler. You dont see with your visual center, but, at least it seemed this way to me, you see it with your mind or perceive it with your mind; its still very physical and bright. Also the music he played while he was treating me was really interesting; some kind of chanting like nothing Ive ever heard. It really stuck with me. During the treatment, as L worked on various points around my body, my muscles would contract so strongly that I couldnt keep my hands held together in the position he had me hold no matter how much I resisted. After when we meditated at Ls house, I felt a steady pressure on the bai hui point and it felt like my whole body had been pressurized with qi.
Sherfu L was also a very gracious host. He offered us a great deal of very strong Chinese tea and said some blessings for us. Hes very devoted to Kuan Yin the Goddess. After we left, I could still feel a bit of a buzz and felt very calm. Even a few nights after, I could feel his energy or the effects of his energy on many of the points he worked on; especially the upper points. I still feel the effects of his treatment as some areas have been permanently activated. L is also a martial artist and has done a lot of work with the military if I remember correctly. He looks it too with short cropped hair and definitely an athlete. The guy was very gentle, but there were a few pictures of him on the wall doing some hardcore kung fu; the guy could probably kill you with his pinky. According to David he teaches a technique where you gradually learn to absorb higher and higher voltages of electricity from a wall socket or a generator directly into your body to boost your power. I guess when you get really good you can absorb energy directly from the environment; you just suck it in to body. David said these students learn to absorb over 200 volts or something like that. Anyway, its enough to kill you quick; pretty amazing.
Sherfu J was totally different. Where L is very modest in the way he lives, very simple and in a modest area of town, J is a little more well lets just say he likes nice things. When we met him for the first time, he was wearing a bright red basketball jersey and matching shorts with some sporty flip flops. He had a big smile on his face and came out to greet us very warmly. His home is very nice, with marble flooring, big overstuffed leather coaches and a giant big screen TV. Actually in the setting we were in, I found it quite tasteful. From what I gathered, when youre in Sherfus town, you really get taken care of and he entertains a great deal. After the second day I realized that the material luxuries are most likely really for the people who come to visit and that Sherfu and everything about him is about taking care of other people. From my short stay with him, I really feel Ive met one of the most amazing people I may ever meet. From what Im told, He spends most of his time doing charity work and helping people during our stay he fed us and paid for our accommodations and seemed to be very concerned with our comfort and really went out of his way to make sure we were doing well during our stay. And the food was really amazing.
The day after the ceremony, which was also quite an experience, Sherfu came to visit our hotel a few blocks from his home and began treating us one after the other. He would have each person sit in front of him with their feet on a wet towel. Then his assistant would come over and ground your feet by pressing the main energy point firmly and passing his qi into the sole of the foot. Then J would activate his qi by concentrating and doing a short breathing exercise while he pushed the qi into his hands by pressing them into the air in front of him a couple times. After hes done this he asks the person to stand and holds their hand while he directs the qi into their body by pushing his other hand along the length of his arm and then into the body. When he injects you with his chi, the muscles in your arm gently, but irresistibly contract as his qi courses into your body. His qi is more like a steady magnetic force that produces a strong gentle current wherever he moves it in your body. At this point he relaxes and begins systematically touching various points on that side of your body. He touched different points on different people and each time the corresponding part of the body would gently and suddenly contract. When he was done checking a given side of your body, he would use this same technique of guiding the qi to pull his qi back into his arm. This was very interesting to watch. After he checked each person he would give a detailed report through the translator about the condition of each persons health and status of their over all energy and issue a clean bill of health or advise further treatment.
Sherfu recommended further treatment for several people in our group, including myself, later that day. The healings and treatments he administered that afternoon were probably the most remarkable and amazing things I have witnessed in my life up to this point. I will certainly never forget what I saw and what I went through. The only thing I can compare it to is watching my sons birth.
It wouldnt be appropriate to share what others in the group went through in terms of their treatment, but I can tell you about my experience. Im sharing this because, if I were you Id want to hear it and hopefully its worth telling. Anyway after a big lunch at Sherfus house, I was asked to stay behind with the translator and some of Sherfus students. Three weeks earlier Sherfu L found an imbalance in my kidneys. He didnt make much of it, but suggested I take some herbs which he prepared the following day and said that he felt the imbalance was due to improper qigong practice. Perhaps he planted a seed in me; I dont know, but I had some experiences in the weeks after and something told me to go to China even though I didnt really have the money. As a side, David said that many people who practice the Healing Dao methods end up with this type of imbalance. In any case, on the morning that Sherfu J tested us, as he passed his qi into my left side the qi began to pulse, stopping and starting in a kind of rhythm as my arm contracted and released. He said that I had a fairly serious blockage in my kidney area and would need to draw some of the stagnant blood out and prepare some special herbal pills. One of the members of our group had been through something very similar and having shared their story, prepared me to some degree for what I was about to experience. That afternoon Sherfu had me stand on his porch as he lanced the veins in the back of both my knees with a prong the size of a knitting needle what seemed like at least a half inch into the flesh. After he got the blood flowing he used his qi to push the affected blood out of my body. What came out of me was about a half pint of what looked like roof tar. It was literally black and thick like a paste. Sherfu said that if I hadnt come to him, I would have been quite possibly hit with a stroke within the year. After the treatment I actually felt really good. I was given several large herbal pills to clear anything that was left in my system. According to Sherfu, because of the properties of the type of medicine that I was given, I will never have to worry about this problem again and will be able to reach my optimal health. I guess these pills have a lot of qi and are a specialty of this lineage. I have to say, I really have been feeling good since Ive been back. The Translator who was with me told me that when he met Sherfu he was completely paralyzed in his left arm and couldnt turn his neck at all. Apparently he had the same kind of blockage or blood condition as me, but more advanced; he said that he was totally cured within two years of meeting Sherfu J.
In addition to the treatments I experienced and witnessed, Sherfu and his student, the translator, demonstrated there ability to transform water into this sweet nectar with their qi. Some people in the group had asked David if they could see this particular demo, so David politely requested for the group. Basically Sherfu just took a bottle of ordinary water and let everyone have a taste. Then he set the water on the table and pushes some qi into it for a minute or two. When hes done we all got to taste it; its like sweet honey, but not like any kind of recognizable sweet taste. His student did the same demo later that night. It was really amazing and, at the same time, just very matter of fact and done with out any preparation. Im told Sherfus favorite demo is to take a nice steak in his palm, crack an egg on it and fry it to a perfect medium rare right in his hand. Pretty freaking slick.
We also got to see a woman demo her yin yang gong by giving David a jolt of qi. The women in our group were very inspired to see a woman, who had two children no less, who had achieved this power.
The next morning at 6am, Sherfu called me back to his house and gave me several weeks worth of some more common herbs to take as a tonic and asked me to come back when I had an opportunity to do so. He was very kind and wished me well as I left that morning. Because I had to catch a connecting flight that afternoon in Shanghai, Sherfu arranged an 8 hour taxi ride through the Chinese countryside which was a great way to end my trip.
I hope all of you who have a desire to go, get to have this kind of experience (of course I hope you are healthy) and I hope all of us are able to train and learn these arts eventually. Thats my story.
So, it’s been nice chatting with you. May God be with you always and may you all know true happiness. Good bye.
SeanOctober 8, 2006 at 3:12 am #18383
This was actually my post on the Tao Bums forum. Seven of us took the Foundation Training in Thailand in August including Sean and myself. All seven of us had similar experiences with Sifu L. He projected an incredible amount of chi that felt like a very strong dose of electricity to open up certain points to help us with our meditation. David explained that Sifu L was a Yin Yang Gong Master who is able to combine the Yin and Yang in the Dan Tien in a certain way which causes this electricity. This can then be used for many different things and especially meditation. These Masters follow a path called Lei Shen Dao (Thunder and Lightning Path).
David is quite a normal person. He may have travelled to many countries studying many different kinds of things when he was younger but right now he is quite focused on training with Sifu J to master Yin Yang Gong.
Is the training expensive. Yes. Do I wish it was less expensive. Yes. Would I or the other six people who attended the Foundation Training do it again. A most definite YES.
The incredible thing for people who are interested is that David and his Master Sifu J. are now opening up this path to the west. What was once hidden to us over here is now available to those who feel that calling.
I know the seven of us that went with David to Thailand are all interested in following that path. You are invited to join us.
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