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May 24, 2007 at 1:06 am #22336jimboParticipant
I’m doing the deep earth/kidney pulsing qigong from Michael’s Sexual Vitality DVD, which seems to be a pretty simple form. I’d been having some kidney issues, and am hoping this will help (I’m sure peeing a lot since I started practicing it!). A few quick questions:
1. I don’t want to overdo it. It feels like 2-3 minutes twice per day seems about right (I’m a very experienced yoga and meditation practitioner, so the effect is pretty intense). Does that make sense to you guys?
2. I believe all qigong is supposed to be done with knees slightly bent, but for some reason this feels a lot smoother with legs locked. How big a no-no is this?
3. I’ve been inhaling as arms raise and exhaling as they drop. Long, smooth, savoring breaths with what the yogis call “ujiya” (hiss in back of throat) on exhale. Is that right?
4. in the dvd, michael goes onto his toes as arm raises. Does that mean losing connection between ground and that point between the balls on the sole of foot (I think its’ called ton tien or something)? Or do you keep pressing in with that spot as heels lift?
Thanks for your help!
May 24, 2007 at 10:49 am #22337BeginnerParticipantHey Jimbo, It is always refreshing to discuss common practices in a world where cultivation is mostly private.
I trust your experiences as the best guide and it seems you are allowing yourself to be the vessel.
While out and about today I did explore this form again and had some of my own aha’s stimulated by your questions. Hope they stimulate you.
1. I don’t want to overdo it. It feels like 2-3 minutes twice per day seems about right (I’m a very experienced yoga and meditation practitioner, so the effect is pretty intense). Does that make sense to you guys?
It does make sense that as an experienced yogi- I also have this in my background/foreground- but unless you are really getting a real warning to back off this sounds stingy. Perhaps slow it down or just see what happens when you glide past your edge- what comes up for you.
This form especially is so earth centering- built into it is a deepening focus opening space of core leg channels for dispersion as well as ingestion of energies.
Try it while walking. While sitting. Take it up when gardening. See if you are making it too serious. Break the rules.
2. I believe all qigong is supposed to be done with knees slightly bent, but for some reason this feels a lot smoother with legs locked. How big a no-no is this?
You will know.
Bent means ‘soft’ for me. Or you could say joints that breathe are open not shut. Locking the knees can close/shut the joint and therefore crimp the intentional opening of leg channels to trunk.
3. I’ve been inhaling as arms raise and exhaling as they drop. Long, smooth, savoring breaths with what the yogis call “ujiya” (hiss in back of throat) on exhale. Is that right?
I also use ujaya breath as a habitual pattern from the asanas and vinyasas.It works fine for increasing internal focus which aids the mind.
However there comes a point when the effort used in maintaining this lock can be released so the more subtle energies/ subtle breath can be experienced.
The active breath is like blowing on a small flame of attention but once it catches and the mind is engaged slowly back it off and place your attention where you will receive the most benefit- the kidneys.
Let them do the breathing. Big aha for me.
For that matter play with the form too. I find when going into it I don’t do anything differently but focus the inhale on the arm that is falling to the earth not rising.
It is such a different experience and a lesson in power of subtlety. I find it more grounding and once here play with shifting to what you are doing-on the upraise and alternate.
When you drop the attention from the breath though and allow the kidneys to breathe see them plumping up and softening.
Bring your attention to how both arms are engaged at the same time and ask how you can breathe and focus on both?
It means deepening center- I have to play with this one- but I see how this form also balances the brain up high and the brain down low. Activates the center.
( While walking I played with actively using one arm and mentally/energetically lifting the other. This was very engaging of the inner energetics)
4. in the dvd, michael goes onto his toes as arm raises. Does that mean losing connection between ground and that point between the balls on the sole of foot (I think its’ called ton tien or something)? Or do you keep pressing in with that spot as heels lift?
It is a good question on form and I don’t know the correct answer. What I can say is that point on the ball of the foot is a prime kidney point named bubbling spring. Bubbling Spring- ahh- just the image makes overheated or stuck kidneys pulse (;
But here again while the form is important to find out about while learning (helps reinforce intention with the structure that supports it) all the motions of arms and legs draw us into the center so we can move from here.
As the kidneys do the breathing they also initiate the moving. Slowly disengage much of focus and effort from the limbs and the breath and place your brain inside your belly resting on your kidneys. Soften trying.
What I really mean is give them the space for their consciousness- trust them- and be moved on many levels.
Now I have to practice and see if what I say grows anything…thanks for the stim…Bar
May 24, 2007 at 4:03 pm #22339BeginnerParticipantAfter dinner I decided to try out the form and see what arose.
I did it barefoot in the grass which makes a lot of difference for my connectivity.
I explored the various strategies you suggested and my own ideas and some worked and some were a bit off.
Essentially after a half hour I found entering a structured pose- a moving Iron Shirt, Embracing the Tree- with legs screwed down and lumbar pressed back. Open joints in shoulders and knees and hips. Extending the knees only over the toes and no further nor to the side. Chin a bit down extending the cervical.
Basically engaging the body, the hips turning in a sensual manner- water imagery, a cool feeling in the kidneys, riding the horse so sacrum is dropping. All this claimed my attention by the end and condensed the energies so when I stopped, the flow kept going.
I stood and felt the pulsing in the bottom of my soles and when I spoke to my partner I felt solid and dimensional. Less room for fear. Whereas when I did the pulsing my mind flew off into many directions, by continuing to do the movements through this for a longer time results under the reign of mind saturated. Bar
May 25, 2007 at 2:07 am #22341jimboParticipantThanks very much for your replies, Barry. I’ve read them carefully and am trying them out.
May 25, 2007 at 4:43 am #22343BeginnerParticipantInterested in what happens. Maybe better to take over to the Practice section.
I was very impatient as the practice brought up energies stimulating anger. I watched this and the only thing later that soothed was the Microcosmic orbit. This is how I learn/make these skills my own- by necessity.
The orbit even for a brief moment spread the stim out and encouraged deeper integration. ba
May 25, 2007 at 10:52 am #22345jimboParticipantI didn’t notice that the “practice” header indicated a separate forum section. If there’s a moderator who can move this, I hope they do!
As for anger, I live in NYC, so anger coming up is indicative of nothing but being alive and breathing! 🙂
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