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December 30, 2009 at 5:47 pm #32881zooseParticipant
Ok – Here are the different energies as i see it. I wonder if you feel the same way or have any others to add. Then i have some questions at the bottom as i know there are some very experienced people on here.
In my practice there are of course the 5 ELEMENT ENERGIES of the organs with their associated emotions. I think everyone who has spent a bit of time doing the inner smile is well aware of these. Each feels very different in the ways of emotions and energy temperature/moistness/smell/colour etc. When i call forth the earth animals their energies are identical to the organ energies.
Then there is the COMPASSION ENERGY of all the 5 element energies joined together. When i join the 4 (lung/liver/heart/kidney) together i need to balance the energy between them which then the energy becomes a bright yellow/white with higher frequency but then when i join the spleen energy (which i can add in any amount without destorying the balance) the energy just gets slightly higher frequency again, yet not changed too much from just mixing the first 4 elements.
For me these can be mixed anywhere in the body (heart/dantien) and this compassion energy is the same.Then there is EARTH ENERGY bought in by my feet/perinium which feels very similar to the kidney energy but is slightly cooler and has more of a watery feeling (smell/taste/”feel”). Bringing in lots of earth energy can make me feel tired mello and a bit lethargic. It can feel good – maybe like being stoned. It can have high pressure on it’s own without any other energies added to it and i feel can open blockages well on it’s own. It doesn’t seem to be good at “cleaning” channels so to speak but it can open them up and (very) temporarily reduce some pain. I’ve had it feel ICY COLD before but it felt good and what my body needed. It feels ok mixed with sexual energy.
Next is COSMIC ENERGY bought in through the mideyebrow which feels identical to the COMPASSION ENERGY to me. Bringing as much of this as you can into the heart and boosting this energy higher with SEXUAL ENERGY brings blissful love feelings like MDMA extacy. It can become too blissful to bare. I think this energy makes it easier to stay in meditations for longer.
STAR ENERGY is bought in from the top of the head and is kind of like a ‘get what you ask for’ energy. You can bring down whatever energy you want (any energy that you have learnt to feel before or make up to feel – For some reason i’ve never tried bringing in compassion energy because i can get that easy from mideyebrow. The energy doesn’t feel as nice and ‘natural’ to my body though… not as natural and as nice as the organ energy that was already in my body to begin with. Later after my body digests it, it can become that way. It seems without so much substance to it. (Like for example the flavour of the food but without the food it’s self. Like tasting some banana essence but without the banana – just doesn’t taste the same or as nice). Anyhow the violet light seems very good with a nice energizing but relaxing feel to it and not too harsh. It’s easiest to bring hotter energy from the top of the head. Sometimes I use the red energy to help heat the sexual energy in my kan & li.
SEXUAL ENERGY i think is the most strange because it can increase the power of any other energy, but not only that it also adds it’s own bit of flavour to the mix. Whether if i use it in kan & li (where it feels like it has automatically been mixed with compassion energy) or mixed with any other energy element or alloy it adds a strong ‘magnetic’ feeling. It feels like it really increases the ability of qi to ‘clean’ already unblocked channels. It turns up my nervous system (how much depends on what qi it has been mixed with), speeds me up and reduces my calm and relaxed’ness. I think when i mix it with COMPASSION/COSMIC ENERGY and bring out a loving feeling it feels great and i can feel relaxed too, but if there isn’t enough loving feeling from the heart it can make me feel a bit jittery like coffee.
Generally I kind of let the energies come in together however they like and try not to interfere too much as my body probably knows what to do best. If i mix the energies in my belly dantien then i just sit back and let it do it’s self until it ‘feels’ right. Not some unbalanced strange energy — although i would like to experiment with such things briefly but i don’t have time to practice things that i think are not right ๐
QUESTIONS:
1. When sexual energy is added to compassion energy my ability to feel the individual organs energy is greatly reduced. It’s like it all turns to compassion energy and i have to use effort to have the energies seperate – when i need to use effort i feel this is not the right thing to do? But the organ energy can feel nicer than a compassion/sexual energy mix. What do you think?
2. When the sexual energy is mixed with compassion energy (also after kan & li) it is very high power and all my channels are pushed open very easily and it is very easy to have no thought. My body is relaxed but even though i have no thought my brain doesn’t feel calm (unlike meditating without sexual energy where i feel more calm), the energy is charged up very high power, it feels reved up even though it’s not thinking (even during yin phase of sitting in nothingness). Is this normal to feel reved up?
3. Sexual energy is strange in that after i ejaculate my energy feels not as grounded and a little dryer, when i haven’t intentionally adding sexual energy to the mix. However if i have or haven’t ejaculated for some time then i intentionally add my sexual energy to the mix it feels less grounded too. It’s like the sexual energy if not intentionally tapped into has some grounding abilities, but when it is intentionally used i become less grounded. Anyone have similar experiences?
4. Always i hear about good healers and yogis that they can generate great heat. I wonder if heat is really all that great on it’s own or that they equally generate cold energy too but i never hear about it. Is hot energy really superiour to cold energy for healing? If you put a heat pack on your body it increases circulation so it could be good in a similar way to that. What do you think?
January 9, 2010 at 12:29 am #32882StevenModeratorHello Zoose,
I’m no expert, but let me take a stab . . .
>>>1. When sexual energy is added to compassion energy
>>>my ability to feel the individual organs energy is
>>>greatly reduced. It’s like it all turns to compassion
>>>energy and i have to use effort to have the energies
>>>seperate – when i need to use effort i feel this is
>>>not the right thing to do? But the organ energy can
>>>feel nicer than a compassion/sexual energy mix.
>>>What do you think?It depends on what you want to feel.
If one thing feels better than another in a given moment,
then that is the right choice, regardless of what the head
says. There are no absolutes. The question is, “what do
you want to experience?”. The answer to this question
is your guide to any internal explorations.>>>2. When the sexual energy is mixed with
>>>compassion energy (also after kan & li)
>>>it is very high power and all my channels
>>>are pushed open very easily and it is very
>>>easy to have no thought. My body is relaxed
>>>but even though i have no thought my brain
>>>doesn’t feel calm (unlike meditating without
>>>sexual energy where i feel more calm), the
>>>energy is charged up very high power, it feels
>>>reved up even though it’s not thinking (even
>>>during yin phase of sitting in nothingness).
>>>Is this normal to feel reved up?In my opinion, yes.
Sexual energy is the power of creation, and is like
a natural caffeine–urging you to “create”.
Sitting in nothingness is not creating, so there’s
likely to be some tension.>>>3. Sexual energy is strange in that
>>>after i ejaculate my energy feels
>>>not as grounded and a little dryer, when i
>>>haven’t intentionally adding sexual energy
>>>to the mix. However if i have or haven’t
>>>ejaculated for some time then i intentionally
>>>add my sexual energy to the mix it feels less
>>>grounded too. It’s like the sexual energy if not
>>>intentionally tapped into has some grounding
>>>abilities, but when it is intentionally used
>>>i become less grounded. Anyone have similar experiences?Sexual energy, before mobilized, is part of your body
essence–your jing. Being in a body is your connection
to Earth, so removing these stores decreases your anchor.
This is coupled with the “caffeine” effect as in #2.
To decrease ungroundedness effects, root yourself
and mix in/draw up Earth qi when playing with sexual energy.>>>4. Always i hear about good healers and yogis
>>>that they can generate great heat. I wonder if
>>>heat is really all that great on it’s own or
>>>that they equally generate cold energy too
>>>but i never hear about it. Is hot energy
>>>really superiour to cold energy for healing?
>>>If you put a heat pack on your body it increases
>>>circulation so it could be good in a similar
>>>way to that. What do you think?In general, it’s harder to regulate heat than it
is to regulate cold. There are four meridians in
the body, not just two, to regulate heat. For
one, your body’s normal operating temperature
is 98.6F, which is usually higher than the
surrounding air temperature–so your body is
constantly doing work to heat yourself. For two,
heat naturally rises up and moreover the brain
naturally draws heat to it, so extra work is
needed to send the heat back down again, e.g.
Triple Warmer. When you put a heat pack on your
body, you are allowing an external source to
do the work of heating you–saving your own
stores, so this creates savings. A person
using heat for healing is doing the same
thing as this external object, but with extra
conscious intention for extra effect. It flows
more rapidly due to its expansive nature. For
all these reasons, heat application/manipulation
will typically have more prevalent applications.
Of course, there are no absolutes. Take a person
that is “overheated” from a variety of reasons . . .
ambient air temperature being 100+, as one example,
and application of cold energy may just be the trick,
but such situations are probably less common overall.I don’t know if that answers your questions, but at
the very least may give you some food for thought.Best,
StevenJanuary 9, 2010 at 4:57 pm #32884baguaParticipantHi Steven:
Welcome back.
you said “n general, it’s harder to regulate heat than it
is to regulate cold. There are four meridians in
the body, not just two, to regulate heat.”what four channels are those?
gua
January 9, 2010 at 6:24 pm #32886StevenModerator>>>Hi Steven:
>>>
>>>Welcome back.
>>>
>>>you said “n general, it’s harder to regulate heat than it
>>>is to regulate cold. There are four meridians in
>>>the body, not just two, to regulate heat.”
>>>
>>>what four channels are those?
>>>
>>>guaHi bagua:
I was referring to the four fire meridians of the twelve officials,
namely:1. Heart
2. Small Intestine
3. Pericardium
4. Triple WarmerYou might argue that really only the Triple Warmer regulates heat
(in relation to verticality through the three burners) and/or
to a lesser extent the Pericardium with respect to the membrane
surrounding the heart. I can’t disagree with such an assessment
(or maybe you have a different thought entirely . . . ).However, since there are four fire meridians and two water
meridians (i.e. 4 > 2), speaking “fast and loose”, one could
argue that “heat requires more work to control than cold”.Feel free to add your two cents ๐
S
January 9, 2010 at 8:17 pm #32888baguaParticipantHi Steven:
Another way to look at it is each of the 12-primary channels has a Yin and Yang pair, both regulate the body, including heat. Yang organs are yang/heat and are used quite often to regulate the pairs, but the Yin is critical in the balance of the two. Its interesting the channel most often used for regulating heat is the Large Intestine/Yang Ming, not the four mentioned. All channels have the capacity to regulate heat from their own channel.
Of course the Du Channel is the Sea of Yang, Yang includes heat and it is used by many for the purpose.
Qi,
GuaJanuary 9, 2010 at 11:33 pm #32890StevenModeratorHi bagua:
Glad to see an expert on board ๐
>>>Yang organs are yang/heat and are used quite
>>>often to regulate the pairs, but the Yin is
>>>critical in the balance of the two.Could you clarify?:
By Yang organs, do you mean Heart and Liver vs.
the more Yin Lungs and Kidneys, or by yang organs
do you mean the Yang pairs, such as Small Intestine,
Gallbladder, etc.? The terminology here has always
been slightly confusing to me.>>>Its interesting the channel most often used
>>>for regulating heat is the Large Intestine/Yang Ming,
>>>not the four mentioned.Interesting is an understatement, I think.
I find that quite interesting, and quite surprising actually.
Why is that the case? I wouldn’t have suspected it would
be used more than Triple Warmer, let alone used at all!
What is the nature of this Large Intestine meridian?
Please elaborate as your comment is fascinating.>>>Of course the Du Channel is the Sea of Yang,
>>>Yang includes heat and it is used by many for the purpose.Du channel is often referred to as “the fire channel”,
although admittedly “the fire” here is not the post-natal
Five-Element Fire. Is there any connection here to your
comment, or is this just a separate issue entirely?Thanks,
StevenJanuary 10, 2010 at 8:47 am #32892baguaParticipantHi Steven:
Chinese medicine is a big topic and has many levels and interactions, its my experience Qi Gong practitioners study a narrow view which has its pros and cons.
Could you clarify?:
By Yang organs, do you mean Heart and Liver vs.
the more Yin Lungs and Kidneys, or by yang organs
do you mean the Yang pairs, such as Small Intestine,
Gallbladder, etc.? The terminology here has always
been slightly confusing to me.
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When we use terminology we always put it in context of our applications, many times we need this as their are multiple functions or meanings.I was referring to the yin-yang pairs, SI, GB, BL, LI, these are Yang organs and their basic function is to empty, clear and release, so we use them for those conditions for their own channel/organ and their partners. Yin organs take in and accumulate.
We can categorize the Yin organs as to which or more yin or yang, different analysis
>>>Its interesting the channel most often used
>>>for regulating heat is the Large Intestine/Yang Ming,
>>>not the four mentioned.
Interesting is an understatement, I think.
I find that quite interesting, and quite surprising actually.
Why is that the case? I wouldn’t have suspected it would
be used more than Triple Warmer, let alone used at all!
What is the nature of this Large Intestine meridian?
Please elaborate as your comment is fascinating.
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This is fundamental knowledge, Large Intestine and Stomach are Yang Ming, which means Bright Yang, Big Yang, heat is Yang, so this treats Yang and Heat.>>>Of course the Du Channel is the Sea of Yang,
>>>Yang includes heat and it is used by many for the purpose.Du channel is often referred to as “the fire channel”,
although admittedly “the fire” here is not the post-natal
Five-Element Fire. Is there any connection here to your
comment, or is this just a separate issue entirely?
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Du Channel is the Sea of Yang, the Eight Extras control the Primary Channels and all the body’s vital substances and functions, these channels do influence post natal. The meridian clock actually flows to the Ren and Du then back to the Lungs to starts the cycle over, it is saying post natal influence prenatal and visa versa through many connections. Its a narrow and in my view inaccurate to think the Du is not involved in post natal.Du 14 is a major point for releasing heat from any source in the body, as all yang channels cross there.
regards,
guaJanuary 10, 2010 at 11:04 am #32894StevenModeratorHi Steven:
>>>Chinese medicine is a big topic and has many
>>>levels and interactions, its my experience
>>>Qi Gong practitioners study a narrow view
>>>which has its pros and cons.Big topic is right.
As to the narrow view in Qigong, I guess it
ends up becoming a balancing act. If you
are teaching newcomers, you sort of want
to emphasize *the practice* and not academic
knowledge. One could argue that if you
teach “the right” practices and that if the
students then learn and do them, then
over time everything in the body will
naturally balance itself out, and the need
for Chinese medical knowledge is reduced
to a curiosity. Moreover, in the HT,
the classes usually have so much information
packed into them–both in the form of practices
and in Daoist spiritual theory, that it could be
a bit overwhelming if the body of Chinese medicine
were also included in the curriculum.On the other hand, all of this information is
good to know though, and can be enlightening for
people who have already been practicing Qigong.So what is left is a situation where we end up
picking up little bits here and little bits there
as we run into these things on our path.Could the situation be better? Probably.
>>>I was referring to the yin-yang pairs, SI, GB, BL, LI,
>>>these are Yang organs and their basic function is to
>>>empty, clear and release, so we use them for those
>>>conditions for their own channel/organ and their partners.
>>>Yin organs take in and accumulate.
>>>We can categorize the Yin organs as to which or more
>>>yin or yang, different analysisOK, thanks!
That clarifies your earlier response quite a bit.*****************************************************
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>>>Its interesting the channel most often used
>>>for regulating heat is the Large Intestine/Yang Ming,
>>>not the four mentioned.
Interesting is an understatement, I think.
I find that quite interesting, and quite surprising actually.
Why is that the case? I wouldn’t have suspected it would
be used more than Triple Warmer, let alone used at all!
What is the nature of this Large Intestine meridian?
Please elaborate as your comment is fascinating.
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This is fundamental knowledge, Large Intestine and Stomach are Yang Ming, which means Bright Yang, Big Yang, heat is Yang, so this treats Yang and Heat.
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*******************************************************Maybe fundamental knowledge in Chinese medicine, but
not in the Healing Tao. I’ve got 500+ hours of live training
at HT workshops plus more in individual study time, and this is
the first I’ve ever heard of this. This is just a demonstration
of some of the disconnect between Daoist spirituality and
Chinese medicine. But then again, did Yi Eng (One Cloud) the
spiritual hermit from which the Seven Formulas of Immortality
descended through M. Chia, did he know any of this either?
Doubtful. He may not have even known “THE POINTS OF THE
MICROCOSMIC ORBIT” that we force people to learn as part of
the HT instructor training, because you don’t need to know
about them to do the actual practice–the pathway is enough.Fundamental is a dangerous word to use; I’d avoid using it. ๐
>>>Du Channel is the Sea of Yang, the Eight Extras
>>>control the Primary Channels and all the body’s
>>>vital substances and functions, these channels
>>>do influence post natal. The meridian clock actually
>>>flows to the Ren and Du then back to the Lungs to
>>>starts the cycle over, it is saying post natal influence
>>>prenatal and visa versa through many connections.The meridian clock I know has the 24 hours divided up
into two hour blocks for each of the 12 primary channels.
Gallbladder 11pm-1am, Liver 1am-3am, Lungs 3am-5am, etc.
I don’t recall Governor and Conception Vessels being anywhere
in there. Are you referring to another meridian clock, or is
it just that more complexities are really going on on the clock
than is commonly mentioned in HT circles?>>>Its a narrow and in my view inaccurate
>>>to think the Du is not involved in post natal.Well that I didn’t say.
Obviously, Du is involved in post-natal, as it used as
one-half of the Microcosmic Orbit, and helps balance
post-natal influences in the body. This I already knew.Basically the answer to my question was that the reference
I made was a different issue entirely.But if I understand you correctly, in a nutshell the issue
is that the Thrusting Channel divides as a neutral axis into
Yin and Yang, and the Governor is the Yang channel, and
it’s the Yang that is the Heat connection. Right?>>>Du 14 is a major point for releasing heat from any source
>>>in the body, as all yang channels cross there.That’s good information to know. Thanks for sharing.
Best to you my friend,
StevenJanuary 10, 2010 at 12:17 pm #32896baguaParticipantHi Steven:
On the other hand, all of this information is
good to know though, and can be enlightening for
people who have already been practicing Qigong.So what is left is a situation where we end up
picking up little bits here and little bits there
as we run into these things on our path.Could the situation be better? Probably.
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I would suggest instructors emphasis they are learning a basic knowledge and there are more models and channels and applications, to be clear about this so if they come across other views they will be open to them, not closed and rigid.Maybe fundamental knowledge in Chinese medicine, but
not in the Healing Tao. I’ve got 500+ hours of live training
at HT workshops plus more in individual study time, and this is
the first I’ve ever heard of this. This is just a demonstration
of some of the disconnect between Daoist spirituality and
Chinese medicine. But then again, did Yi Eng (One Cloud) the
spiritual hermit from which the Seven Formulas of Immortality
descended through M. Chia, did he know any of this either?
Doubtful. He may not have even known “THE POINTS OF THE
MICROCOSMIC ORBIT” that we force people to learn as part of
the HT instructor training, because you don’t need to know
about them to do the actual practice–the pathway is enough.
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I would not assume what One Cloud might have known, most alchemists had a deep understanding of medicine, most of the great doctors were deep into qi gong and nei gong.Fundamental is a dangerous word to use; I’d avoid using it. ๐
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You will find the six stages, tai yang, yang ming, shao yang, tai yin, shao yin and jue yin in the basic and first book one reads in their first quarter of school, from that view I call it fundamental. Channels are not called by their organ in the acupuncture books, not lung channel, heart channel, they are called Hand Tai Yin, Hanf Shao Yin, etc. This is the common language and its important.The meridian clock I know has the 24 hours divided up
into two hour blocks for each of the 12 primary channels.
Gallbladder 11pm-1am, Liver 1am-3am, Lungs 3am-5am, etc.
I don’t recall Governor and Conception Vessels being anywhere
in there. Are you referring to another meridian clock, or is
it just that more complexities are really going on on the clock
than is commonly mentioned in HT circles?
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Read chapter 16 in the Ling Shu Nei Jing, its called the Nourishing Qi Cycle which shows the order of the channels, no times related to them, later called Daily Clock, you will find this connection to ren and du, why it is not common, dont know, you now know my friend. Its implications are profound, meaning post natal can influence prenatal.Obviously, Du is involved in post-natal, as it used as
one-half of the Microcosmic Orbit, and helps balance
post-natal influences in the body. This I already knew.
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Du controls all Yang, channels, Yuan Qi, Qi, Wei Qi, Heat Wind, activity,the future, etc. It influence post natal in how they are all expressed in our life. Du can create imbalances too.But if I understand you correctly, in a nutshell the issue
is that the Thrusting Channel divides as a neutral axis into
Yin and Yang, and the Governor is the Yang channel, and
it’s the Yang that is the Heat connection. Right?
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Thrusting/Chong creates all eight extra channels. Du controls yang and heat is part of yang, we can use du to clear the heat, yang is also superficial area of body, in controls that too, but we use clearing methods.The San Jiao is unique, it takes Yuan Qi from deep in the body and brings to the back shu and front mu points then to the channels, it has a strong force of taking things deep and moves them outward. If one activates the san jiao it can take latent things buried for our protection and bring them out, if this is not our intention it can be traumatic.
nice chatting.
gua
January 10, 2010 at 2:46 pm #32898StevenModerator>>>I would suggest instructors emphasis
>>>they are learning a basic knowledge
>>>and there are more models and channels
>>>and applications, to be clear about this
>>>so if they come across other views they
>>>will be open to them, not closed and rigid.Yes, I think openness is key to true understanding . . .
>>>I would not assume what One Cloud might have known
I don’t. I was presenting a hypothetical.
The point is that you can do spiritual practices, say
qigong and meditation, without knowing much academic
Chinese medical knowledge.And moreover such a lack does not impede spiritual awakening,
or spiritual progression.It’s like the expert Electrical Engineer who knows enough
math to do his job, but is not an expert on math.***************************************************************
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Fundamental is a dangerous word to use; I’d avoid using it. ๐
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You will find the six stages, tai yang, yang ming, shao yang, tai yin, shao yin and jue yin in the basic and first book one reads in their first quarter of school, from that view I call it fundamental.***************************************************************
***************************************************************Maybe. But it’s not fundamental to the Healing Tao.
That’s my point. “Fundamental” is a word that
is specific to a particular environment.In terms of mathematics, any mathematics lower than
THIRD SEMESTER CALCULUS is completely fundamental also.
But is it fundamental to you? ๐It pays to be humble. You know what I mean ๐
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*****************************************************************The meridian clock I know has the 24 hours divided up
into two hour blocks for each of the 12 primary channels.
Gallbladder 11pm-1am, Liver 1am-3am, Lungs 3am-5am, etc.
I don’t recall Governor and Conception Vessels being anywhere
in there. Are you referring to another meridian clock, or is
it just that more complexities are really going on on the clock
than is commonly mentioned in HT circles?
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Read chapter 16 in the Ling Shu Nei Jing, its called the Nourishing Qi Cycle which shows the order of the channels, no times related to them, later called Daily Clock, you will find this connection to ren and du, why it is not common, dont know, you now know my friend. Its implications are profound, meaning post natal can influence prenatal.
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****************************************************************I’ll have to keep this in mind. Thanks for sharing!
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Du controls all Yang, channels, Yuan Qi, Qi, Wei Qi, Heat Wind, activity,the future, etc. It influence post natal in how they are all expressed in our life. Du can create imbalances too.Thrusting/Chong creates all eight extra channels. Du controls yang and heat is part of yang, we can use du to clear the heat, yang is also superficial area of body, in controls that too, but we use clearing methods.
The San Jiao is unique, it takes Yuan Qi from deep in the body and brings to the back shu and front mu points then to the channels, it has a strong force of taking things deep and moves them outward. If one activates the san jiao it can take latent things buried for our protection and bring them out, if this is not our intention it can be traumatic.
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Well, I appreciate all of your insights.
You have a wealth of knowledge, and I’m glad you’re willing to share.Hope you can take some of my jabs in stride ๐
Thanks again,
StevenJanuary 10, 2010 at 3:39 pm #32900baguaParticipantHi Steven:
The point is that you can do spiritual practices, say qigong and meditation, without knowing much academic Chinese medical knowledge. And moreover such a lack does not impede spiritual awakening, or spiritual progression.
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Yes, absolutely. But people talk about things and often from a narrow and superficial view, so we need people to point it out, that’s all. When it comes to mathematics you are the man and I am all ears.Fundamental is a dangerous word to use; I’d avoid using it. ๐
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You will find the six stages, tai yang, yang ming, shao yang, tai yin, shao yin and jue yin in the basic and first book one reads in their first quarter of school, from that view I call it fundamental.Maybe. But it’s not fundamental to the Healing Tao. That’s my point. “Fundamental” is a word that is specific to a particular environment.
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HT is made of a collection of people with a wide range of backgrounds, often we just gain exposure to the teacher we listen to, but others have lots of info. too. Some do not even go to M.Chia’s classes or read a wide range of books, if we know this we become open to learning other things. I believe there are people in the healing tao that do present the six stages.Additional Tai Yang Channels: Bladder and SI can release heat too. Tai Yang is great yang and influences yang and heat.
In terms of mathematics, any mathematics lower than THIRD SEMESTER CALCULUS is completely fundamental also. But is it fundamental to you? ๐
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Whether I know it or not does not determine if it is fundamental or basic, i think we need to accept what is common as fundamental and choice to learn it or not.I welcome honest and open discussion.
Smiling in the Tao,
Gua
January 10, 2010 at 7:04 pm #32902zooseParticipantAh your discussion is very interesting and thanks for your answering of my questions. I have a couple more since you both seem very knowledgable.
My own thought is that the Du Mai is a yang channel – we put yin energy (sexual & earth) through it and though the Ren Mai is a yin channel we put yang energy (cosmic & universal) through it, and the concept is that without these opposite energies in the channels the Du Mai will become burnt out and the Ren Mai will become stagnant. Then it seems that the goal to make the meridians on the front half of the body the same temperature (or yin/yang balance) as those on the back half of the body. But then confusingly i hear things that people feel lots of heat on the back half of their body, but if you were more relaxed wouldn’t your body become hot all over, balanced front and back?
I’ve read in one of the HT books somewhere that it’s good to be Yin so you don’t get cold in winter. But if yin is cool energy how can it make you warm in winter? ๐ Does it mean more not to have a very muscular body or work excessively where your yin is used for these purposes rather than being stored within your core ready to give you some fuel for heat?
I’ve never purposely concentrated qi down any specific organ meridians, only the Du Mai, Ren Mai, Thrusting, Belt, Bridge & Regulator channels. In my yin phase of nothingness i feel my whole body full with qi and 100’s of chanels especially in my head where it feels like a 3D spiders web of energy. I wonder if there is any benefit of concentrating qi down specific organ meridians or is it best to just let the energy flow and just be aware of it?
Thanks in advance!
Louis.
January 10, 2010 at 11:47 pm #32904StevenModeratorHi Louis,
I’ll defer here to any comments bagua would like to make about
the technical specifics, as he is the channel expert.My general feeling here is that the point to all such practices is to
create balance in the body. Yin and yang are never separate
as such, but one flows and connects to the other like a
turning wheel. Part of the orbit practice is to connect
the Du and the Ren to allow a continuous flow. The Triple
Warmer sound for instance is designed to balance out the
heat distribution in the body through the three burners,
as heat tends to rise up while the cool sinks to the lower centers.
If there is an overflow or underflow of qi in particular meridians,
directing qi into or from these meridians can help with the balancing act.
If we weren’t subject to the aging process, if we were
perfectly healthy and in balance with the environment, and if
we weren’t subject to external stresses–or more to the point,
so conditioned to let those psychological stressors affect us,
then no balancing would need to be done. You’d already be
in harmony. That’s the point I think to the healing work,
to undo the disharmony that we allow to happen through our
own resistance, and to moderate excesses that shift us
from balance point.But more detailed energetics and channel theory, I defer
to bagua’s superior background and knowledge here.Best,
StevenJanuary 11, 2010 at 6:07 pm #32906baguaParticipantHi Louis:
There is a range of balance, whether it be temperature or level of Qi on the body. If one has too much heat in the du or on the back its probably from an internal imbalance or too much qi in that area, its not a signal of balance in general, unless one is doing something consciously to bring more yang there.
Being Yin can mean alot of things, can mean relaxed, calm, open, etc., not just cold.
Doing the healing sounds moves Qi out of the organ and channel and in the rest period we fill the organ and channel, as the two are inseparable.
You mention “Yin state of nothingness”, for me I dont view Yin state as nothing, there is no such thing as nothing, its being to level or another free from your thoughts, thinking, intellectual activity.
I think there is a time to move Qi throughout all channels, specific channels and just allow Qi to go wherever it wants to, the body has its innate intelligence.
regards,
gua
My own thought is that the Du Mai is a yang channel – we put yin energy (sexual & earth) through it and though the Ren Mai is a yin channel we put yang energy (cosmic & universal) through it, and the concept is that without these opposite energies in the channels the Du Mai will become burnt out and the Ren Mai will become stagnant. Then it seems that the goal to make the meridians on the front half of the body the same temperature (or yin/yang balance) as those on the back half of the body. But then confusingly i hear things that people feel lots of heat on the back half of their body, but if you were more relaxed wouldn’t your body become hot all over, balanced front and back?
I’ve read in one of the HT books somewhere that it’s good to be Yin so you don’t get cold in winter. But if yin is cool energy how can it make you warm in winter? ๐ Does it mean more not to have a very muscular body or work excessively where your yin is used for these purposes rather than being stored within your core ready to give you some fuel for heat?
I’ve never purposely concentrated qi down any specific organ meridians, only the Du Mai, Ren Mai, Thrusting, Belt, Bridge & Regulator channels. In my yin phase of nothingness i feel my whole body full with qi and 100’s of chanels especially in my head where it feels like a 3D spiders web of energy. I wonder if there is any benefit of concentrating qi down specific organ meridians or is it best to just let the energy flow and just be aware of it?
Thanks in advance!
Louis.
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