December 5, 2010 at 7:29 pm #36066
Following on from a related thread earlier. Perhaps Michael can correct me if I am wrong; we had some discussion on this several years back: If taking a whole earth view North is fire and south water. For Primordial this means start East and step left = Wood to Fire then Metal then Water. Earth is with the practitioner. For Deep Healing form, if taking a whole earth view and want to start with fire that is North. The traditional idea that South is fire is a feng shui view (based on Sun’s path along ecliptic being south from viewpoint of China, with the freezing wastelands north. This requires a flip of North and South if moving to southern hemisphere. Better I feel to have a unified set of practices that take a whole earth view. (Easier to take this view in southern hemisphere because looking north one sees the path of the sun.
So whole earth view North is fire and south water (although I suppose if stuck in some extreme latitude may wish to look at the sun’s path as fire direction). As long as get 4 directions with earth in centre it self regulates anyway.December 5, 2010 at 9:13 pm #36067
Hey there, not quite sure what your question is, but it’s pretty universal that fire corresponds to the direction south, and water to the north. However, if you’re in the southern hemisphere, this would reverse.
I’m not sure about this ‘whole earth’ view that you’re talking about. Could you explain it?
We live in a strange world where our spirit is omnidirectional but our body is not. Distinctions between elemental/directional correspondences inevitably depend on one’s perspective.
We are used to North being ‘up’ and south being ‘down’ because that’s how our maps are drawn. But this is a mistake IMO. Ancient Taoist maps were drawn with South on top which makes more sense according to the correspondences.
Even in western elemental systems fire is associated with south.
It’s possible your confusion stems from the fact that north is often depicted as being up/above when in fact is should be down/below.December 5, 2010 at 11:26 pm #36069
No question – I just made a comment and a suggestion.
Yes local view from China is fire south, because the suns path is in that direction – but that is not a universal perspective. I was suggesting a whole earth view for practitioners – I am happy to adopt that for myself and practice that way.December 6, 2010 at 9:38 am #36071
I don’t understand what you mean by “whole earth view”.
I must not have been present for your earlier discussion.
Could you please explain what this means?
Keep in mind that DHQ and Primordial have an intention
built into them. In particular, DHQ is meant for deep healing
and for affecting your manifest life–thus the form is
done following a creation cycle of sorts (with Fire separated off).
Likewise, Primordial (also known as Wuji Gong) is about returning
back to the source and to draw that energy into your core like a
vortex. This is the meaning of the counter-creation movement
If you alter the directionality, then you alter/flip that intention.
This, to me, suggests that the directions are correct as is, but
I think we all need to understand more clearly what you mean by
“whole earth view” to be able to discuss your idea more cogently.
StevenDecember 6, 2010 at 5:20 pm #36073
A few years back I had some discussion with Michael about Primordial and southern Hemisphere. I wish I had the text of discussion – I cannot find it just now. From memory Michael suggested I forget about localised feng shui directions and the adjustment (arguably) needed for Southern Hemisphere and to treat Primordial as a whole of earth practice whereby North and South are the earths fire and water directions. This accords with Southern view anyway so this suits me. For DH form I treat North as fire; ie start facing North and step left.December 6, 2010 at 6:38 pm #36075
I wonder what he means by “whole of earth”.
If you find the background info, please share.
I guess otherwise we wait for Michael to weigh in.
StevenDecember 6, 2010 at 6:58 pm #36077
OK. It would be easier if I had the text of email exchange with Michael some years back. The practitioners viewpoint is what I’m referring to. Physical body view – little person on surface of earth. Person can be standing N or S of equator. If South of equator look North toward Suns apparent path (ecliptic). This leads to considerations of whether one should swap fire and water poles in South of equator position. I have chosen to make adjustments for this.
If one does not hold to the body viewpoint and takes a viewpoint of being at one with the earth (as in greater Kan and Li/Sun Moon Earth alchemy) then one can assign North or South pole as direction of fire and water. If you prefer you can consider North as water (as a yin pole to solar yang. I was suggesting North as fire but that is conditioned by being south of equator.December 6, 2010 at 11:42 pm #36079
I think I get what you’re saying…basically, that either way can work depending on one’s perspective.
So do you live in the Southern Hemisphere? If not, why are you more drawn to seeing fire as north?
Like I said I personally think its odd that maps have north on top.December 7, 2010 at 12:47 am #36081
Yes I live in Southern Hemisphere. Michael said he was working on a book for Primordial form.
I have no desire to disrupt anyone’s experience of these forms which are great.
I do not worry about creation cycle/contra cycle – just acknowledge the directions and what I think the element/phase is.
Thanks,December 7, 2010 at 7:35 am #36083
Oh ok, makes sense. I definitely agree with you, both forms are great and intention seems to be the most important thing.
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