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It felt like you disagreed with me and thats fine. I love to hear our opinion and I have not problem being wrong or my advice not work for some one. There is also much lost in translation, best to be with some one so you can feel the meaning behind there words..
I ask them to forgive because it is healing, they may not forgive or heal in one session and thats ok a key part is being grateful, or giving thanks, they have there own wills. You are totally right that when they forgive it is totally spontaneous and wonderful. I also only do it when I feel I need to. Most often I just smile tell them I love them and tell them they so wise and powerful and can heal them selves.>>>Thx for taking this up Steven! And your coments
>>>in Barking up the three seems to me to be absolutely
>>>in the right direction. Just to clarify that I am
>>>wiht you there. More important of course is what
>>>Tantra11 thinks!Yeah, Michael now calls it the “one cent point”.
I would call it the “million dollars-in-debt point”.Regarding the other issue, I agree it’s up to him.
It’s his life of course.
It’s just I hate to see people suffering.The reason why I was harsh is that sometimes people–
and I’m guilty of this myself from time to time–get
an idea stuck in their head something like “I think
I need to follow ‘Recipe X’ to help my problems. Recipe X
seems difficult, but I *need to do* Recipe X. Do you
have advice on how to follow Recipe X?”The trouble is, is that oftentimes “Recipe X” is not
what you should be doing or trying to follow, and when
advice is given and you are stuck in the mode I described,
you think to yourself, “Thanks for the advice; now do you
have any *additional* advice on following Recipe X?”–instead
of realizing that you need to drop Recipe X entirely!In his case, he really needs to abandon his “I’m losing
energy through my ejaculation” fixation, and instead
adopt a regimen of health-building qigong and work
on emotional issues–such as those expertly and caringly
guided by Wendy in her posts.S
Swedich Dragon, yes, the acupuncturists said to stop sex completely, or at least for the course of the treatment. Maybe I will call them to ask what exactly they mean, but I’m thinking I’ll only bother them if I really need help. I’m not trying to reach advanced levels or anything, just prevent this loss. Other people, who seem trustworthy, on the reuniting.info site, have become non-orgasmic with no side effects, and they release energy into creative pursuits or love for their partner. It’s a natural safety valve, but I want to direct it toward healing instead. Nothing complex. That can wait until I have more energy and can find a teacher. I just thought someone here might know a way to help with the horniness, like redirect the sexual energy into the microcosmic orbit, but if not, no problem. Maybe there is no safe technique to learn without a teacher.
Thanks for the advice, Steven, but I really am not fixated. This is what I’m trying now, but I can always change things if it doesn’t work. Like maybe allow ejaculation once a month or something, though that doesn’t feel right to me right now. It seems like I’d be spending most of my energy fighting urges and being frustrated. I’m going for the complete celibacy because supposedly after a few weeks the brain switches out of its dopamine cycle, and the craving for orgasm goes way down.
You’re right that masturbation isn’t the problem. However, it is a significant energy loss, which I need to minimize along with everything else. Little energy losses, let alone big ones like ejaculation, do add up and make a difference.
I do agree with you that regular Chi Kung is good. I had to cut it out because just the physical part of it was too taxing. (e.g. standing up, moving the arms, etc.) I’ll start with the Inner Smile type stuff, lying down, doing the emotional work.
Swedich Dragon, I liked the other stuff you said too. About the low metabolism, yeah, it’d probably be good to have it worked on, but I can’t afford to see doctors anymore. Maybe if I get more energy, can work some, then I’ll go to that level, but right now, I have to find my own way. Luckily, I think it can be done. Lots of rest is the key, and you can’t fully rest with a lot of anger inside. My work is cut out for me.
Also, I used the million dollar point for many years, but gave it up. From experience, it just didn’t seem healthy, though luckily I had no problems from it like others did.
I too faced a lot of misunderstanding of my condition. People who’ve never experienced it can’t understand. Heck, I didn’t understand either for a long time, and I HAD it!
Wendy, thank you so much. I think you’re hitting the nail square on the head… and here I came just looking for a way to redirect horniness. I’ve been working a lot on the pent up anger, and your advice is coming at just the right time. It’s always felt like the anger was blocking other emotions like joy, serenity, and love, as well as preventing forgiveness and acceptance, and now you’ve given me a TCM-based explanation which makes a lot of sense. More importantly, I now have some tools to work on it with. You’re exactly right that there’s a part of me that allows others to hurt me. I’m a nice guy who doesn’t like to rock the boat, even when people are crossing my boundaries. I’ve been working on not doing that anymore, but the mechanism kicks in instantly. I kick myself afterwards, but hopefully with continued effort, I’ll change this pattern and start standing up for myself better. I forgive this side of me because I see it as a good quality just taken too far. The inner drill sergeant (as I call it) that you talked about before was a good quality taken too far too, but in its case, I converted it into an inner brother-disciple. Somewhere down the line, I decided that because in school or other forms of training, teachers were harsh and used punishment to help students excel, I should treat myself that way too, but even after I decided it was wrong, it took a long time to change. Now, instead of getting down on myself, I support myself on my journey. The whip changed to a comforting hand. Such a simple idea, but it took me years to figure out. (There was a further emotional lesson too and probably still more to come, but this message is already getting kinda long.) I think the anger remains and will remain as long as I still “give myself away” because it’s balancing it. Part of me (the liver?) doesn’t like that I do that. Once I stop, then the anger will no longer be needed. I’m currently angry at my parents for some things they did regarding my health and financial situation, but I know the anger isn’t really about them. I’ve been angry since high school (and I’m 37 now) and directed it toward whatever problem I had at the time, girlfriend, the world, an insensitive store clerk. It was never about them though, just my nice guy pattern. I held it in, and everyone thought I was the nicest person. Still do.
The nice guy pattern is playing out even in this message. A lot of people would get mad at what Steven said and say something like, “You don’t know me! You can’t know if I have OCD or not!” but I don’t do things like that. I try to see the good in others, ignore the fact that he might’ve crossed a boundary a little bit by getting harsh on someone he doesn’t know, and just try to find the good in his words. I think that’s still good to do, and it’s okay to forgive insignificant boundary crossings like that, trying not to be overly sensitive. It’s just the bigger ones, where there’s no love behind it at all, where I’m still the same way… or if it wasn’t just words on the screen but harsh in person, then I need to stand up more. (So Steven, don’t worry. I had no problem with your harshness, despite all I just said. It’s just an example of what I’m talking about that happened to happen here.)
Wendy, I’ll try your exercise and see what wisdom my body has to say. Maybe there’s a reason why it’s still so hard for me to stand up for myself despite needing to so badly. I’m pretty sure that’s the root of my anger. It was a mystery for a long time, and like I said (and you foresaw), I didn’t even know it existed. I used to be angry at CFS and how it “ruined” my life, but I got over that. It’s just sadness now but also gratitude for bringing me back to my heart’s path.
>>>That can wait until I have more energy and can find a teacher.
That’s probably best.
You don’t want to have to struggle with another problem.>>>I just thought someone here might know a way to help with
>>>the horniness, like redirect the sexual energy into the
>>>microcosmic orbit, but if not, no problem. Maybe there is
>>>no safe technique to learn without a teacher.Actually if you spend time doing qigong and meditation
connecting your body to the Earth as I mentioned before–
not only will the Earth energy heal you BUT Earth energy is
also very “cooling” to overheated sexual energy.In other words, rather than dealing with the
sexual energy directly, you may find your desire naturally
cool off as a result of connecting to the Earth.Thus you are killing two birds at the same time.
You are healing yourself and reducing your sexual desire
(in a more natural way than trying to suppress it).>>>Thanks for the advice, Steven, but I really am not fixated.
>>>This is what I’m trying now, but I can always change things
>>>if it doesn’t work. Like maybe allow ejaculation once a month
>>>or something, though that doesn’t feel right to me right now.Well up to you, of course.
Just keep in mind that trying to suppress a natural instinct,
is by definition, unnatural. That was sort of my point.True healing comes in when you work with your body.
That was really I think was Dog was trying to get at with
trying to get “you” and “your body” working together.>>>You’re right that masturbation isn’t the problem.
>>>However, it is a significant energy loss, which I need
>>>to minimize along with everything else. Little energy
>>>losses, let alone big ones like ejaculation, do add up
>>>and make a difference.Big difference between minimizing and taking things to an extreme.
If you are masturbating daily, then I’d say cut back;
if it’s once or twice a week, I’d consider it (at your age) part
of the natural part of life–just like you need to sleep periodically.Again, what you do is your choice, of course–but that’s my opinion.
>>>I do agree with you that regular Chi Kung is good.
>>>I had to cut it out because just the physical part
>>>of it was too taxing. (e.g. standing up, moving the
>>>arms, etc.) I’ll start with the Inner Smile type stuff,
>>>lying down, doing the emotional work.Even doing it lying down is fine. Focus on your breath and
focus on connecting your consciousness to the Earth. If you
can get your feet on the ground (as in sitting), or even better
just standing comfortably, you can get faster results.But until you get your strength up, you can do some of it
or even all of it lying down.>>>The nice guy pattern is playing out even in this message.
>>>A lot of people would get mad at what Steven said and say
>>>something like, “You don’t know me! You can’t know if I
>>>have OCD or not!” but I don’t do things like that. I try to
>>>see the good in others, ignore the fact that he might’ve crossed
>>>a boundary a little bit by getting harsh on someone he doesn’t
>>>know, and just try to find the good in his words.
>>>I think that’s still good to do, and it’s okay to forgive
>>>insignificant boundary crossings like that, trying not to
>>>be overly sensitive. It’s just the bigger ones, where there’s
>>>no love behind it at all, where I’m still the same way… or
>>>if it wasn’t just words on the screen but harsh in person, then
>>>I need to stand up more. (So Steven, don’t worry. I had no
>>>problem with your harshness, despite all I just said. It’s
>>>just an example of what I’m talking about that happened to
>>>happen here.)First, just a quick clarification, I didn’t say you had OCD.
Everybody has *some* obsessive-compulsive behavior with *some*
things, i.e. everybody has things that they get fanatical
about (just like everybody gets angry, sad, etc.)–it doesn’t
mean they have OCD (obsessive-compulsive DISORDER).
That’s completely different.If you thought I was implying that, I apologize.
Also, if I may add to what you wrote about “needing to stand up
for yourself more”, etc., I would say this:The key is to not let others influence you or activate your emotions.
In other words, don’t take things personally.Ultimately whether you respond externally, or act as a
nice guy and stew internally, you are engaging some imagined
attack against you.For instance, if you happened to walk into a room, and heard
somebody ranting and raving about something in some separate
conversation, you wouldn’t get angry–you’d just think
“I wonder why that guy is ranting and raving”. In other words,
you wouldn’t take on to yourself and take the situation personally.The same can be said in all situations.
Try to avoid taking things personally.
We all choose whether or not we are going to engage someone else’s
stuff and develop an emotional reaction or not. You just have
to think to yourself that no matter how another person is acting–even
if they are directing some negative emotion at you or blaming you–it
really has nothing to do with you at all. It’s a problem THEY are
having–not you. Don’t take it on yourself.Smiles to you,
StevenHello
lol lol lol
Million dollar in-debt point! 🙂
About recipe x. I myself do the same thing. In my case it is like this. I have tried alot of things and most of them have not helped at all. Some have cost me alot of money at least in comparison to my economical standard. The thing is when you keep on trying to find ways out of a problem. You get many advises most of the people telling things are shore about that there advises is the right. So in such a situation you learn to choose what you believe in. If you have studied many things and tried many things that might help you and suddenly got a new idea of somethihng you believe in, idea x. X might be the thing that helps you or it might not. The idea migth come from a good source like from a good acupunturist or from a more unriable source.
You have put alot of effort perhaps all effort you have been able to come up with and perhaps for many years. So you know your problem is hard to solve. When you then find x and have choosen it as a possible solution. Then at that moment you realy want to be able to use x. You can almost do anything to get x into your life. Beacase x might be one of the things that help you. When you ask for advises to have x you got y, z, w ,p and q. You be happy to have other alternatives. But you are into x. The willpower to do x is so strong unimagible strong, so for the moment you cant take in the others. Perhaps you have to do x first, then after that choose from w,e,r,t,y,u,i,t,e,e,r,,b,,jj,u,t,,s,,s,e,g, which you think is the key to help you.
Doing this over the years and learning to choose as wise as you can you will probably solve your problem sooner or later. But many people from the outside will think and tell you that you do the wrong things, theire ideas are the better. The thing is that this x, ejaculation, is not from a bad source, it is from a acupuncturist. that Tantra11 believe in.
If x works fine if x not work then the person perhaps will try something else. People from the outside perhaps not realy understund the time to solve the problem If you have been trying for years and have found x, then it might be the right thing to try it out for some months before you try out some of the other alternatives you got into when you tried to learn x. I think you Tantra is in a choosing process. I think you have got many good advises. I think that on a deeper level the emotional issue is one of the more important things and much possible more important than not having ejaculations. You have to judge for yourself. I can just say that both wendy and Steven often hits the right spots, but not always either 🙂
If you choose to learn ejaculation control. You need to be careful and learn as much as you can about it. You need to do aditional practises as well. And of course if you want to learn seminal retention then you absolutely have to work ón the emotional issues parallel to your seminal retention. So the advises given by the others of emotional work is actualy a part of seminal retention as well. If you you want to do it in a way that not hurt yourself. The reason is that seminal retention makes energies stronger and then your imballances for example emotional will also increase and if not beeing delt with you might get serious problems.
My advise is that you start deeling with emotional issues serioulsy from no on and see it as a part of nad as a preparation for seminal retention. In the mean time you can practise the micro cosmic orbit and some standing qigong as another preparation. And do just a moderate ejaculation control meanwhile and you will be best of. Later when have opened the micro cosmic orbit better and having a good method of dealing with emotions you can start to add more sexual practises in a safe way. You can also start to do some of the things from the book I recomended. Another preparation might be to start to be able to distinguish betwean anus perineum and urogeital diafragm and to be able to use the muscles separately.
That could be a good start for you on your way to healing. But in no way you can do this without deeling whith emotions!
S D
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Swedich Dragon, yes, the acupuncturists said to stop sex completely, or at least for the course of the treatment. Maybe I will call them to ask what exactly they mean, but I’m thinking I’ll only bother them if I really need help. I’m not trying to reach advanced levels or anything, just prevent this loss. Other people, who seem trustworthy, on the reuniting.info site, have become non-orgasmic with no side effects, and they release energy into creative pursuits or love for their partner. It’s a natural safety valve, but I want to direct it toward healing instead. Nothing complex. That can wait until I have more energy and can find a teacher. I just thought someone here might know a way to help with the horniness, like redirect the sexual energy into the microcosmic orbit, but if not, no problem. Maybe there is no safe technique to learn without a teacher.
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HelloI realy think you should speak about this with your acupunturist. You just need a clarification of what he ment. Well you are in a position that you realy need help and the acupunturist will think that it is an adequate and natural question. Just do it I am shore there is no whatsoever problem with it. DO IT!
Doing inner smile, doing six healing sound, doing some grounding and to massage the testicles and do testikle breathing regularly. Dealing whith the emotions. Open up the microcosmic. Doing all this then it might be when you are ready to do the big draw, to bring sexual energy into the microcosmic orbit. This was the way Mantak Chia was teaching it, this was the way I did learn it some years ago. Michael Winn on the other side and most of the people on this bord realy thinks that you also should learn fusion of the five elemts and perhaps other things before even start with the sexual practises. Beacase they will not do anything good before you are in a more ballanced state and have the safety valves in use. So I don’t think many peaple will learn the sexual practises on this forum before you are ready. It is beacase they take the dangers with it serisously.
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Thanks for the advice, Steven, but I really am not fixated. This is what I’m trying now, but I can always change things if it doesn’t work. Like maybe allow ejaculation once a month or something, though that doesn’t feel right to me right now. It seems like I’d be spending most of my energy fighting urges and being frustrated. I’m going for the complete celibacy because supposedly after a few weeks the brain switches out of its dopamine cycle, and the craving for orgasm goes way down.You’re right that masturbation isn’t the problem. However, it is a significant energy loss, which I need to minimize along with everything else. Little energy losses, let alone big ones like ejaculation, do add up and make a difference.
I do agree with you that regular Chi Kung is good. I had to cut it out because just the physical part of it was too taxing. (e.g. standing up, moving the arms, etc.) I’ll start with the Inner Smile type stuff, lying down, doing the emotional work.
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Yes don’t do the things that is to demanding on your constitution. Perhaps you can manage to do exercises sitting on the edge of a chare, with a stright back?“””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””
Swedich Dragon, I liked the other stuff you said too. About the low metabolism, yeah, it’d probably be good to have it worked on, but I can’t afford to see doctors anymore. Maybe if I get more energy, can work some, then I’ll go to that level, but right now, I have to find my own way. Luckily, I think it can be done. Lots of rest is the key, and you can’t fully rest with a lot of anger inside. My work is cut out for me.
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Also, I used the million dollar point for many years, but gave it up. From experience, it just didn’t seem healthy, though luckily I had no problems from it like others did.I too faced a lot of misunderstanding of my condition. People who’ve never experienced it can’t understand. Heck, I didn’t understand either for a long time, and I HAD it!”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””
Yeah what right do we have to be angry with people not understunding. I have asked the question myself and looking at the time span for my own understunding tells me not to be angry. But still I be angry at some!
S D
Well, just by white-knuckling it, I seem to have broken through to the other side. After a week or so of extreme horniness, it went away! The people on reuniting.info say that orgasm isn’t a need like sleep; it just seems like it because most people don’t ever push past the stage of great cravings. I’ll still do the connection with earth meditations; you’re not the first person to recommend it to me, and being grounded is always a good thing. I definitely could use the cooling energy too, as I’m pretty hot, I think.
In a sense, living life “addicted” to orgasm is unnatural. Yes, nature programmed us that way, but it’s only to drive us to procreate, even if it’s not optimal in other ways like health or emotional well-being. If you break the cycle, you go back to a neuro-hormonal state closer to what it was like as a child, and your spiritual faculties open up. Makes sense, right? If it’s not in procreation-seeking mode, it’s free to explore other modes, as well as not losing all that jing.
As for us having a choice about whether to let other people’s negative emotions affect us, you are right. Easy to say, but hard to do, though! However, it can be done if you retrain your mind, and I think the key is to heal the part of myself that still needs to react. Let go of the anger, and fill up with the Inner Smile!
Thanks for your help. I’m doing lying down versions of the Inner Smile and healing sounds. I don’t have my books with me (lots of stuff still in Chicago when I moved to where I am now), but I found instructions here:
http://www.universal-tao.com/article/the_inner_smile.html
It seems to combine five of the sounds with part of the Inner Smile, going in the elemental cycle of destruction. I wondered why destruction, not construction, but maybe because the sounds are about detox?
Well, may we both continue on our path of healing and forgive those who cannot understand!
>>>In a sense, living life “addicted” to orgasm is unnatural.
>>>Yes, nature programmed us that way, but it’s only to drive
>>>us to procreate, even if it’s not optimal in other ways
>>>like health or emotional well-being. If you break the cycle,
>>>you go back to a neuro-hormonal state closer to what it was
>>>like as a child, and your spiritual faculties open up.
>>>Makes sense, right? If it’s not in procreation-seeking mode,
>>>it’s free to explore other modes, as well as not losing all that jing.No. Be careful. You are walking a very thin line that leads to the
idea that you will be more spiritual if you suppress the sexual side.
This is a huge mistake.For one, by suppressing it, it is likely to only work for awhile.
Then it comes out in other ways.Why do you think there are so many so-called religious leaders,
priests, etc. that end up getting caught having sexual affairs
with women, altar boys, and the like? They were supposedly
celibate and had things under control, and look what happened.You should not be sending signals to your body telling it that
it should be controlled. This is a huge mistake and will create
a lot of problems. Maybe you don’t see that yet, but believe
me–ultimately you will.Actually, one big point of the Healing Tao
is to be able to integrate the sexual and spiritual together.
They do not work against each other like a lot of other religions teach.
Sexual energy is the energy of reproduction, of life-creation–which is
the very energy of the lifeforce itself. It is something to come into
harmony with, not to try to escape from.If you think suppressing sexual impulse is the right idea, by all means,
go for it–but it’s not what we teach.S
I used to also look at the child-molesting priests as evidence that celibacy for spiritual purposes is stupid. You’re right–suppression just is not the way. Once you start to say sex is bad, it becomes forbidden fruit and all the more enticing. What I’m doing is different. If I meet a woman, I can still have sex, for example, just that it will be loving (possibly leading to the valley orgasm), not the procreation-driven kind that leads to habituation (and jing loss).
I know it’s not your way, but it might be a valid alternative with less danger. I’ve talked a lot to the people on reuniting.info, and they seem very genuine and grounded, yet have had no experience with problems. Worst case scenario seems to just be a “relapse,” but that’s fine. If I want to have an orgasm, I can. I’ll just have to go through the cravings and withdrawals again, but a week of that isn’t so bad if she was worth it. 😉
The sexual side isn’t repressed, just redirected, not into sexual alchemy but other safe ways like love for others, creative pursuits, appreciation of life, etc. That’s the missing link, as I see it, and if priests could give up the idea of forbidden fruit and do this, there would be no more raping altar boys. Just that some people are probably too sick to really open up to love like that. Plus, the sex as sin ideology is far too entrenched. It’s sad.
Well, thanks for the warning. I will hopefully soon be healthy enough to start learning the sexual alchemy anyway. If the reuniting.info people are wrong, I’ll make sure to let you know.
Hello Tantra11
Late responce beacase that I have had an illness the last days.
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It seems to combine five of the sounds with part of the Inner Smile, going in the elemental cycle of destruction. I wondered why destruction, not construction, but maybe because the sounds are about detox?””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””
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U are welcome 🙂 Michael Winn also have a wery nice and well written article on the inner smile practise, I think it is available on this forum. In chinese medicine and the theory of the five elements, there are two main paths describing how the organs interact with each other. One interaction is through a path where the energies from one element streanghtenes other elements and the other path is how they keep eachother in ballance. I think the cycle of destruction is in the meaning of the cycle which ballance eachother. Like fire is ballanced by water, more water then fire have not so easy to be wery strong.“””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””
Well, may we both continue on our path of healing and forgive those who cannot understand!
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Yes let healing be our way. I have still issues of fogivness not solved. For the moment I like not to fogive, but to keep some anger to a particular person. But sooner or later I realise this issuea has to be dealt with.Peace in your way!
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Well, it’s now around four years later, so I thought I’d post an update on this in case someone reads this thread looking for the same thing I was, namely to stop losing energy via ejaculation and orgasm as part of healing a chronic illness.
To reiterate, Chinese doctors would tell me not to masturbate or have sex, that it would negate their treatment. I found that I could not resist the urge, my lust too strong. Sex didn’t deplete me as badly (probably because of the energy connection with the woman, and also because, in a relationship, I tend to become less horny and need less sex), but masturbation was terrible. I’d feel tired and drained for a week afterwards, and just when I’d be recovering, need to masturbate again.
After many years of this, I came upon a site about karezza that taught that one’s addiction to orgasm could be broken by resisting for two weeks. My initial post in this thread asking for help was at around the two week point, where I’d white-knuckled it, almost beyond my level of will power with still no relief in sight. Just a little while longer, though, and it happened. The urges lessened (didn’t go away), and I went for 100 days or more a few times without orgasm. Usually wet dreams broke the cycle, and I had to start over again. Slowly but surely, though, I became less and less physically fixated, able to connect with women on a more human level once the biological urge was reduced. In other words, I felt like I could connect with women much like another woman, not like a dog. LOL. (Not that I was a dog. I think I countered the instinctual dog-ish nature by becoming overly respectful of women.)
Then, last year, I got into a year-long relationship, and I fell back into ejaculatory sex. Now I’ve been out of that relationship for around half a year and find I’ve regressed. The urges aren’t as bad as they were before all this, but they’re fairly strong. I’m back to holding out for a few weeks, breaking through to the other side, then having a wet dream break the cycle.
In looking over this thread, I see Steven warning of insomnia and headaches due to too much sexual energy going to the head. That didn’t happen to me, probably because I never got much chi to move. I don’t know exactly what happened, but I feel the lack of semen loss helped my healing. I’ve started to be able to feel a small amount of chi move up the spine, though, so now the warnings everybody in this thread gave me make a lot more sense. I probably should’ve listened better, but luckily, no harm was done. I still plan on abstaining as much as possible, though, since the white-knuckling after every orgasm is just too taxing. If I didn’t I’d be back to weekly masturbation sessions that were so harmful.
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