November 10, 2015 at 1:41 am #45191
I don’t see anything on Michael Winn’s site (or anywhere in the healing tao curriculum) where telepathy or interspecies communications is taught. I’ve heard Michael mention it once in one of his audios and that was the end of that. I’m just wondering if the healing tao system ever teaches telepathy between humans and interspecies communications? I can’t really figure it out because everything healing tao teaches uses these metaphysical/esoteric Chinese terminology that doesn’t make any sense to me.November 12, 2015 at 9:02 am #45192
In the Chi Nei Tsang book, there is a section about meditating to a tree and communicating with the tree, but it takes time and patience. I have never tried it, but thought it was interesting. Other than that I don’t know of anything. I think as you become more perceptive to subtle energy, you feel more of a connection to nature and animals, but not sure how that would translate to direct communication via telepathy. I don’t think that is really the intent. Just my 2 cents.November 12, 2015 at 12:12 pm #45194
The vision of the thing is wrong, people imagine that ‘they’ are going to get magic powers.
But it’s not like that. The more you know yourself and the more you become yourself the more in communication you are with the whole universe.
A human ordinarily is just stuck in his head fantasising about things.
Actually most people walking next to old trees ‘feel’ something. How ? Is it telepathy ?
Consider this, you sit on the toilet and a though pops into your head. Where did it come from ?
Is it telepathy ? Did someone put it into your head ? Is it your thought ?
It’s not as if you said … “and now I will think about ducks” … no it just popped in there.
How about this : say you look at the sunrise … well … how can you see ?
Sure there might be a machine called an eye that receives stimulus on the retina and all that … but how can it be that there is someone who ‘sees’ … who is alive behind this machine ?
The world is already magic and full of ‘telepathy’ … but humans do not know themselves nor are themselves, instead they are stuck in their virtual reality mind fantasising about one day having things they already have.November 13, 2015 at 12:55 pm #45196November 13, 2015 at 4:10 pm #45198November 14, 2015 at 1:07 pm #45200
A snuff film is defined by the American Heritage Dictionary as “a movie in a purported genre of movies in which an actor is actually murdered or commits suicide”.
I have had direct experience, seen things with my own eyes, and talked directly with people in that group. What is portrayed in books is not necessarily an adequate reflection of reality, or what the path is about.
Yes, there are folks that can connect the physiological qi to themselves in such ways. It’s not any kind of technique that we would encourage in the Healing Tao. In fact, there are related “dark side” paths whereby some practitioners kill animals by extracting their lifeforce qi from them and using to enhance/extend their own lifeforce. I’ve seen first-hand videos of this by some individuals undergoing this training. However, this is a demon immortal path, and not something I’d encourage following, unless you relish the idea of having dark forces dominate your life.
So is this what takes place in those Mo Pai videos?
HOWDYNovember 14, 2015 at 1:32 pm #45202
I feel very disconnected from nature. It’s a very sad and depressing state to be in. I want to reconnect to it the simple way just by going outside and interacting with it but I would also like to connect to it on a deeper energetic level. I seen a video of some guy putting animals to sleep by using chi and I was very impressed.
I see that if one is really that disconnected one should be really careful.
Instead looking forward to be able to manipulate, one should try to learn to interact in gently manner with nature in it’s totality.
For example Tom Brown, Jr. is very good teacher in this respect.
HOWDYNovember 14, 2015 at 6:32 pm #45204
>>>So is this what takes place in those Mo Pai videos?
I don’t know what you mean by “those videos”.
Many videos, those that people can find via digging, are just documentaries, or they are videos showing beginners that are learning parlor tricks like being able to break bottles with qi . . . a combination of magic tricks and circus-style qi emission techniques.
What I’m talking about, is the upper eschelon stuff . . . the stuff that long-time students get involved with, stuff not shown to the public. I’ve seen a number of first-hand personal videos from a few different students, of exactly what I said: practitioners connecting to the physiological qi of an animal, typically a cow or a bull, and extracting the lifeforce right out of them like a vampire, killing the animal. They use this qi to rejuvenate themselves and become more powerful.
It’s clearly dark side stuff, but they don’t show that stuff to the newcomers. They seduce them into that group by the parlor qi tricks stuff and stories of power. By the time they’ve been in it for several years and developed some skills, they are already starting to buy into the philosophy a bit, so these animal vampire techniques are an easier sell. I tried to rationalize with one of them to point out that they were going down a dark road, and that they should clearly see this as evidence that it was bad, but they were so hooked in at that point, that they were/are rationalizing what they do. They tell me, “oh, it’s not such a big deal, because we only pick cows or bulls that are headed in a few days to the slaughterhouse, so they are going to die anyway”.
But this is just a rationalization really. Plus, it says nothing about the quality of meat that people will eat if the qi has been pre-extracted. I wouldn’t be surprised if it makes people who eat that meat, sick. And the way the animals scream when they “vampire extract” their lifeforce is one of the most horrible sounds I’ve ever heard. So I think their reply that they are headed to the slaughterhouse anyway is just a way that they can rationalize to themselves that it is OK to do this dark side thing.
Granted, the guy in the posted video who puts animals to sleep via qi techniques isn’t doing that . . . that guy was really using some milder qi techniques combined with animal hypnosis, probably in total harmless to the animal. However, it is dancing on the line of what is appropriate and what is not. Certainly the animal didn’t provide consent to having its energetic body interfered with. So learning such things is moving in a dangerous direction, I feel.
The trouble with a lot of these dark paths is that they introduce some morally questionable or ambiguous techniques, then rationalize it and get you to feel OK about it. Then once you feel OK about it, then they introduce something a little more darksided, which you are now more likely to feel OK about, because you got used to something less bad. And so on.
Anything close to that direction, is not something we do in the Healing Tao.
People who are interested in that kind of stuff or have those kind of appetites can look elsewhere. Likely, in that case, Healing Tao is not for them.
SNovember 14, 2015 at 8:01 pm #45206
John Rambo (Sylvester Stallone) is a Vietnam War veteran. In December 1981, seven years after he was discharged, he travels by foot to visit one of his old comrades, only to learn upon his arrival that his friend had died from cancer due to Agent Orange exposure during the war. Distraught, Rambo continues to travel, wandering into the small town of Hope, Washington. He is intercepted by the town’s arrogant and abusive Sheriff Will Teasle (Brian Dennehy), who considers him an unwanted nuisance. When Rambo asks for directions to a diner, Teasle drives him out of town and tells him not to return. Rambo does so anyway, so Teasle arrests him on charges of vagrancy, resisting arrest, and possessing a concealed knife.
The Hunted is a 2003 American action thriller film directed by William Friedkin and starring Tommy Lee Jones and Benicio del Toro.
Sorry for my broken English.
Quite nice movie for Tom Brown type of orientation is this William Friedkin piece.
For my personal taste Benicio tel Toro looks too old, but it’s still quite nice.
But still it looks like too much has been cut out.
HOWDYNovember 16, 2015 at 4:12 am #45208
Around the time he also went around Tokyo getting in fights with the U.S. Military Police. He later reminisced those times in a television interview, “Itsumitemo Haran Banjyo” (Nihon Television), “I lost many friends during the war- the very morning of their departure as Kamikaze pilots, we had breakfast together and in the evening their seats were empty. After the war ended, I was angry- so I fought as many U.S. military as I could, until my portrait was all over the police station.” At this time, Mr. So suggested that Oyama retreat to a lone mountain for solace to train his mind and body. He set out to spend three years on Mt. Minobu in Yamanashi Prefecture, Japan. Oyama built a shack on the side of the mountain…In 1953 Oyama opened his own karate dojo, named Oyama Dojo, in Tokyo but continued to travel around Japan and the world giving martial arts demonstrations, including the fighting and killing of live bulls with his bare hands (sometimes grabbing them by the horn, and snapping the horn off).
I also admit, though taking into account what takes place for example in animal testing and food industry, that somehow using animals this way is excessive.
HOWDYNovember 19, 2015 at 7:47 pm #45210
I’m not looking to harm animals if that’s what you guys see thinking. I’m looking for more of an interaction.November 19, 2015 at 7:49 pm #45212
Steve has addressed this but it didn’t really give me an answer.November 19, 2015 at 9:12 pm #45214
I actually gave you the answer in that post.
From that post:
>>>Yes, there are folks that can connect the physiological qi
>>>to themselves in such ways. It’s not any kind of technique
>>>that we would encourage in the Healing Tao.
Here is your answer from Healing Tao perspective:
As stated in that post:
>>>If you want to connect with animals and nature in a positive way,
>>>rent a cabin or hermitage that is isolated out in the woods
>>>and spend some time there in quiet solitude doing qigong.
>>>If you quiet down enough and detoxify enough, you will
>>>develop a friendly rapport with both animals and plants
>>>quite easily, and it will be one that is healthy and harmonious.
There is no part of this answer that is insufficient.
I have personally done this, have direct experience with it, and it works.
You will develop a healthy rapport with animals.
They will understand you, and you will understand them.
Is this not what you are looking for?
What more does one need?
If such a relationship with animals is not good enough for someone, it means that person wants a disharmonious relationship, one where a person can influence the lifeforce qi of an animal, the whole point of the related posts elaborated upon in response to c_howdy’s questions.
So the real question is: what is your motivation for “connecting to animals”? If it is the desire for a harmonious connection, then I have already given you a method you can use in the quoted paragraph that is consistent with Healing Tao practices, and it is a method that works.
StevenNovember 19, 2015 at 9:28 pm #45216
>>>I’m not looking to harm animals if that’s what you guys see thinking.
Let’s not make assumptions about what others may or may not be thinking.
I don’t believe anyone has made any judgments about you. 🙂
People have all kinds of sidebar discussions inside forum threads, and it is not any commentary on the original poster.
>>>I’m looking for more of an interaction.
Then I’ve reiterated my answer again: Here
The answer is, in fact, complete . . . but you may have missed it earlier.
SNovember 19, 2015 at 10:52 pm #45218
A plant’s sensory and response system has been compared to the neurobiological processes of animals. Plant neurobiology, an unfamiliar misnomer, concerns mostly the sensory adaptive behaviour of plants and plant electrophysiology. Indian scientist J. C. Bose is credited as the first person to research and talk about neurobiology of plants. Many plant scientists and neuroscientists, however, view this as inaccurate, because plants do not have neurons.
The Secret Life of Plants (1973) is a book by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird. The book documents controversial experiments that reveal unusual phenomena regarding plants such as plant sentience, discovered through experimentation. It goes on to discuss philosophies and progressive farming methods based on these findings.
What about trying to befriend some plant companions?
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