May 29, 2010 at 7:52 pm #34360
I ask because I do not accept things blindly, do you? It appears you do not know if One Cloud lived and if he did what he taught M. Chia and if he anointed M. Chia as a Master or if it was self-appointed. Is there something wrong in not blindly accepted what people say?
Can you tell me where he grants you as a master of the Tao on his website? I checked under Master designation and did not see anything.
There were schools that practiced internal alchemy and there were schools that didn’t. It sounds like you’ve read too much Thomas Cleary. As far as I’m concerned, I’ve read many of his translations and don’t think he has a clue about Internal Alchemy. The two authors you mention do not discuss Internal Alchemy, they deal with Taoist philosophy.
No need to judge me or Mr. Cleary. I have read him and most everything in English. I did not mention two authors, most think Lao Zi and Chuang Zi never wrote anything, people after him wrote there so-called works, I would not call them authors.
It’s not an obsession. Do a little reading from the alchemical classics. The origin of the universe that eminated from the Tai Chi was Yin and Yang. What do you think that means? The birth of the universe is the archetype of sexuality.
Its a natural interaction and unfolding, there is a naturalness to the universe interactions. Its about balance, harmony and naturalness in all aspects of life. Shall we follow the guidance that during our alchemy we visualize two gods having sex above our head?
He told me. As for the rest, you can ask him yourself.
I have asked him, not clear answers.
Please couch future questions , if you have them, without the implication that I might be lying. I don’t do that.
Sorry you take me asking specific questions as challenging your honesty. I have gotten to the fact you do at times just repeat what has been told to you and dont have direct experience of some things, for example, not knowing if One Cloud granted M. Chia Mastership or what exactly he taught him and what was added by others contributions to the formulas.
I have a question: What are your accomplishments that make you think it is OK to take such a haughty attitude?
Well, I am a senior HT instructor. And am viewed by some as a master of numerous aspects of tao, of which i would never write next to my name, well maybe as a joke.
I did look at your book a while back, based on my memory, it was well organized and well written but did not have anything too different than what is available.
baguaMay 31, 2010 at 1:00 pm #34361
Look Bagua, nobody has a video tape of White Cloud teaching Master Chia. What I do know is that when Chia started teaching Westerners in 1981 he had information that was available nowhere else, and I mean nowhere else. He had to learn it from someone. He did already have all the alchemical formulas, I saw the outlines.
It is not unreasonable to believe that he learned it from a Tao Master. He says the masters name was White Cloud. From the mid 60s to the mid 70s Taoists were almost annihilated during the Cultural Revolution. Taoist who could, fled China for other parts of the Orient and to survive, they taught Taoist practices and beliefs. Thailand was a real target for the Chinese Taoists because the Chinese tended to be among the aristocracy there. Chia is a Chinese Thai.
You seem to have some questions about Chia’s legitimacy and therefore my own and I would have to think, that being a Senior Instructor with the HT, your own as well. If you can’t prove it yourself and feel so strongly about not accepting things blindly and being dissatisfied with what Chia told you, why don’t you quit? As for me, I wouldn’t expect you to see anything about me being a master on his website. As I told you I am simply a Tao Master not a Healing Tao Master. The Healing Tao doesn’t even sell my books. But if you have a copy of my 3rd book “Taoist Yoga and Sexual Energy”, Chia wrote the Introduction himself and tells all about how he came to name me a master. It’s out there in the public domain. If this is not enough, if you give me your e-mail address, when I get back to NY in a couple of weeks, I’ll send you a photo of the certificate he gave me back in August,1999. As a matter of fact,it was for this very reason that we agreed that it was important that he give it to me. My books have been translated into 20 different languages, according to my publisher, and I recently posted the cover of the Chinese edition of “100 Days” on thetaobums.com website. Having my books published in China gave me great satisfaction and sense of accomplishment, even if there is nothing new under the sun.
What I can tell you about Chia changing and adding things, is that he was always looking for ways to improve his teachings and to get students to actually feel energy in his classes. I can say for myself that I sometimes took the same classes years apart and although the formulas remained the same, the presentation was totally different. Michael Winn related a story on this Forum some years ago, about a meeting I had with a Taoist Immortal at the 1st HT Retreat. The Immortal came to me the 1st night and told me his name, but I thought I was dreaming and went to sleep. The next day I checked and quickly found out that there was a well known Immortal with that name. The next night he came back and among the many things he told me, was his complaint that Chia was always messing with the formulas and this would cause problems. I related this to Michael before the end of the Retreat, which was somewhere in Massachusetts in 1982, I believe.
“Sorry you take me asking specific questions as challenging your honesty. I have gotten to the fact you do at times just repeat what has been told to you and dont have direct experience of some things, for example, not knowing if One Cloud granted M. Chia Mastership or what exactly he taught him and what was added by others contributions to the formulas.”
“I have Gotten to the fact” ,eh, you still sound like a prosecutor. I was a Criminal Lawyer in NYC for almost 30 years son. Do you have to have direct experience for everything you know or believe? That’s a pretty tall order. If that were true, you’d almost never be able to prove anything in a court room. Did you tell this to your teachers while you were going to school? Do you question everything you read or see and hear on tv or that friends tell you? Do you need direct experience of all of this before you can speak about what you have heard without falling into the pit of just repeating what has been told to you? Why should I doubt who Master Chia says he learned Internal Alchemy from? Why should I care? I wasn’t learning from White Cloud. I never had any doubt that Chia was a Master. Anyway I did set out on my own after I felt that I had learned everything the Healing Tao could teach me. I am my own Master. This is all I ever wanted.
Eric YudeloveMay 31, 2010 at 3:20 pm #34363
I was looking to see if u had a website
but saw this article instead
is this u?
was this before or after u were a master?
can u explain this?
August 1, 2005
NEW YORK, N.Y. (New York Post) Is that a samurai sword in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?
The answer was a resounding yes and no for New York sex-book author Eric Yudelove.
On Tuesday, the 58-year-old Syosset, L.I., resident was busted for allegedly threatening a strip-club bouncer with a Japanese-style sword.
But later in the week, out on bail, he allegedly stole his own car from a police impound lot, returned to the strip club and threatened to blow it up.
At first, the author of “Taoist Yoga and Sexual Energy” was charged with criminal possession of a weapon and menacing, after allegedly waving the sword outside the Hustler Club on West 51st Street.
Cops said he’d taken the sword from his vehicle after a dancer rebuffed his advances.
“He started bringing her presents and becoming a bit of a pain in the a,” a police source said. “When it became clear she wasn’t interested in anything other than his money, he went to see the manager and demanded she be fired.”
When those demands fell on deaf ears, he became unruly and was thrown out, the source said, only to return “a few minutes later … waving the samurai.”
Cops added that they later found an Uzi automatic weapon in his vehicle.
And as if that weren’t enough, the bailed-out Yudelove, whose real name is Eric Steven Edelstein, allegedly took his car out of the NYPD pound without permission, drove back to the club and vowed to blow it to smithereens.
Police re-arrested him at his home on Saturday.
Now he’s charged with tampering with evidence, intimidating witnesses and making terrorist threats.May 31, 2010 at 3:38 pm #34365
His name is One Cloud, I have a habit of saying White Cloud.
Thanks for your feedback. When it comes to spiritual cultivation, yes, direct experience is the only thing that matters, we can be open to things not experienced, but we need to learn to merge with what is here now, not thoughts, dreams or fantasies of a future place. Taoists seem clear about being in the here and now, most are somewhere else, the past, the future, not here.
Instead of addressing every thing in your post, I suggest you allow others to have their views and not try to tear them down if they do not agree with you, don’t set up some dynamic you are with us or against us. You do not have the right, authority or power to ask anybody to leave this system if one questions the unfolding of it.
You keep reminding us of your Mastership, are we all our own Masters? Or are you so unique?
baguaMay 31, 2010 at 5:44 pm #34367
You can see a whole discussion about this on thetaobums.com website. It’s not exactly what it sounds like at 1st. I was working as a mercenary at the time, I went to a gentleman’s club to meet a reporter and investigator friend of mine. I complained to management about some girl hustling me and the next thing I know a bouncer pulls a gun on me and escorts me to my car with his gun pointed at me from inside his jacket. He didn’t like what happened next when I pulled my sword out of my car and put it to his throat and told him to put the gun away, but the club had paid off the cops, whose precinct was up the block, so I wound up getting arrested.
Once I got to court things quickly got squared away, that’s why there was never another article about this unfortunate incident. I was also a criminal lawyer at the time.
Alot of interesting things did happen though, like the police being unable to fingerprint me with their newfangled heat sensing fingerprint machine. The heat coming from my hands caused all the photos to come out black. They took me to another precinct and the same thing happened. They asked me what was going on I said I was a Tao Master. They accepted that but finally threatened me that if I didn’t knock it off they would keep me in the holding pen for the next week, so I let them take my prints.
Can you figure out how I managed to steal my car back out of the police pound?
I do wish the article was never published but I still get a laugh everytime I read it. From that day onward I was known as a sex book author and a large number of New York women wanted to find out why.
I’ve had a lot of adventures in my life. This was just one of them.
Eric YudeloveMay 31, 2010 at 6:22 pm #34369
Yah, so how did u steal ur car back? Do tell.
Maybe u get more women now cuz of the article, could be a good thing, LOL
Althou perhaps not so good when people look for u online for Tao info.
taobotJune 1, 2010 at 2:14 pm #34371
I just wanted to step out of the silence for a moment to
respond to something you said here:
>>>The Healing Tao doesn’t even sell my books.
If by “Healing Tao”, you mean the Healing Tao bookstore
that operates every summer in NC, then actually you are
wrong. We have both a copy of the “100 Days” book and
“Taoist Yoga” book authored by you for sale. I know,
as I happen to be the bookstore manager.
If by “Healing Tao” you mean websites devoted to
selling “Universal Tao” products, then pretty much those
sites only sell Chia’s stuff, not Michael Winn’s,
not Marie Favorito’s, not David Twicken’s, etc.; just Chia’s.
You aren’t being singled out. And, of course, on
any instructor website they are going to sell only
their products; that’s natural.
But at the Healing Tao retreats, in the Healing Tao
bookstore, your two books are available for sale
just like any other Healing Tao or Tao related item.
My best to you,
StevenJune 1, 2010 at 8:51 pm #34373
is the ego more important than a potato chip?
No.June 2, 2010 at 11:18 am #34375
Thank You Steven. I really didn’t know that. I appreciate your taking the time to tell me.
I hope you are well.
EricJune 2, 2010 at 11:36 am #34377
Yes we are all our own masters. Chia taught this from the very beginning.
However, just as not everybody at a university is a professor, the same is true for the title master which really denotes being a teacher with some unique experience.
I appreciate your asking me questions and I have tried to answer them as best I could even if I got testy at times. That’s just part of my nature.
I don’t understand your concern about Chia’s credentials. Maybe there has been some discussion about this before I recently started posting here. Anyway I’ll try my best to play down this master issue. As you say I am not a master of the Healing Tao and being that we are both Senior Instructors we shouldn’t take on airs. Our job is to help others on their Way.
I can see that you have been very active on this Forum and I am a newcomer and I don’t want to be perceived as a usuper. I started posting because I happened to check this website after many years and saw there was some interest into what ever became of me.
I hope we can treat each other as friends in the future and as brothers on the Way.
EricJune 8, 2010 at 11:18 pm #34379June 14, 2010 at 1:44 am #34381
IMHO, certain undesired tendence present…June 14, 2010 at 10:58 pm #34383
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