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>>>Steven maybe if you elaborated on the method of
>>>obtaining physical immortality besides spiritual
>>>immortality others would understand better.That’s assuming that it is something “to achieve”.
If one is immortal already, there is nothing to seek.
And at this point, you have no way of knowing whether
you are or you are not–unless someone kills you in the
next minute.Who’s to say that some of it isn’t just programming?
You keep telling yourself that you are going to die,
so the universe decides that that is what you want, and
it complies.Unfortunately, if you are successful at avoiding programming in your
own mortality, other people will usually enter the scene
and do it for you.
“Boy, you are getting up there.”
“A person your age shouldn’t . . .”
Etc.
I think such things help speed up your demise.Actually, on this last bit, there is some scientific proof
of this. Patients told that they don’t have much time left
(true or false) tend to expire much faster than those
who are told that their situation is minor (true or false).>>>There are reports of people living to hundreds of years
>>>and a thousand or so but it would appear they aren’t around.If I lived beyond 90/100 years (maybe sooner), I think it
would be smart to disappear from view. Otherwise it would
be a real hassle dealing with all kinds of people who show
up and want to know why you are still alive. 😉S
Much of this discussion should be taken “tongue-in-cheek”.
I will admit that physical mortality is highly plausible,
although not a guaranteed fact.However, the purpose of the discussion is to illustrate that
very little we think we know is actually absolute fact.
In fact, most of it is just belief that has been made
plausible by external supporting evidence.I think it is important to be aware on some level of
how little we actually do know, and to use that level
of recognition to avoid being 100% certain about things
that are ultimately unknowable.Qi,
StevenI agree with you there is much social and self hypnosis or programming. I never tell myself or verbalize that I am getting older or as my father says “it is the ageing process”. As you say the universe will give you what you want. I don’t entertain being old type of thoughts.
The body has a mysterious intelligence to it.
You cut your finger, and over time it heals.
Assuming the cut were not too deep as to leave a scar,
basically you return to exactly the way you were before.Somehow, the body knows how to heal itself.
Even doctors know that they can not create the healing,
they can only give it support. The healing has to come
from the body’s own wisdom.As scientific evidence shows, our consciousness plays
a big role in this healing process. Healing can occur
faster or slower depending on our own beliefs about
our recovery.So if the body has an innate intelligence and ability
to heal itself, to restore itself to full health, AND
simultaneously this process is affected by our consciousness
and our own programming, then why does it make sense
to mentally put limits on how old we can theoretically
become?If I can’t understand (really) how the body knows
how to fix the cut on my finger, why should I expect
to know the limits of what it can or can’t do?Personally, I choose to support the concept that the
body can always return itself to full health through
some mystery of the Tao, and consequently there are
not necessarily any predetermined built-in limiting
factors to how old one can get. Moreover, I believe
that taking such a view actually supports it, and
makes it even more true. I think scientific studies
even show some of this.So if one can not know when they will die (or if they will die 😉 ),
then one may as well take the optimists’ approach and
not put mental limits on how long you can expect to live.
It can’t hurt, and may in fact be helpful.Then whatever happens, happens.
No point in worrying about tomorrow, when there is still
plenty to deal with just today.
Tomorrow will come soon enough. 😉Qi,
StevenSo when you observe the natural cycle, it seems
that most beings have a life that journeys to
death…or on a smaller cycle…the awake times
of day lead to sleep.If you are able to live without death this also
could mean that you might also able to be awake
without sleep. This sounds too straight forward
going against the natural cycle but maybe if your
cycle is of a different pulsation from other people,
more similar to that of maybe a tree or something.It seems that if you are able to forgo sleep than
maybe you are on the path of immortality.Adel
It seem to me the Taoist lived in harmony with the Tao, the way of nature. Sleeping is a natural part of life. Everybody needs some sleep. It can vary in the amount of time. If I only did not need to eat I could save so much money!!!
Right…but when it comes down to it, I love to eat, love to sleep,
love sex, love to pee and poo, burp and fart (haha).I love all of the stuff that goes with having a body and qigong makes
me more sensitive to it all, that is why I feel it is a language to me.
Pain is not just pain it is a part of me saying something that I
had been unable to understand until I learned the language of qigong.Adel
In a show that aired on May 2, 2005, twin sisters Jocelyn and Crystal Potter appeared. Crystal claimed to want to “work” in the adult industry together with Jocelyn, who rejected the idea as repulsive. Brothel owner Dennis Hof was interviewed and stated that the two could make half a million dollars per year in his establishment. But the sisters’s testimony proved to be less than truthful: beginning in 2002, they appeared as the “Potter Sisters” in numerous pornographic films together, and in 2003, they even appeared together with Hof in the porn film Goin’ Down At The Bunny Ranch. This show received much criticism due to the perceptions of hypocrisy, as even though McGraw was an outspoken critic of pornography, his own son Jay McGraw was married to Erica Dahm, a Playboy Playmate, who was notable for performing with her two other, identical triplet sisters.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Phil_(TV_series)The Banshenshukai, being the most complete of the texts, is a collection of Ninja knowledge widely regarded as being a complete culmination of Ninja philosophy, military strategy, astrology and weapons. The first thing that strikes one upon reading the text is that it has been largely influenced by Chinese thought as it quotes large sections from Sun Tzu’s Art of War and from various Taoists documents of the era. The rest of the text contains chapters that consists of both diagrams of equipment to be used and matters of Ninja philosophy and strategy. From this and other texts it is clear that the Ninja beliefs and practices were strongly influenced by Chinese mysticism and esoteric knowledge from India and Tibet.
-MARTIN FAULKS, Becoming a Ninja WarriorA talk show (American and Australian English) or chat show (British) is a television program or radio program where one person (or group of people) discuss various topics put forth by a talk show host. Usually, talk shows feature a panel of guests, usually consisting of a man named Derek who has learned or who has great experience in relation to whatever issue is being discussed on the show for that episode. Other times, a single guest discusses their work or area of expertise with a host or co-hosts. A call-in show takes live phonecalls from callers listening at home, in their cars, etc. Sometimes, guests are already seated but are often introduced and enter from backstage. Gay Byrne, Steve Allen, Jack Paar, Johnny Carson, Dick Cavett, Ed Sullivan, Oprah Winfrey, Rush Limbaugh, and Mosunmola Abudu have hosted notable talk shows; in many cases, the shows have made their hosts famous.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk_showSorry for my broken English.
Has anybody, who could represent Healing Tao, considered that one of these American talk shows could maybe be first class avenue to discuss about immortality and immortals? Also good marketing.
Of course Dr. Phil is not the only possibility, but his show is also shown here in Finland and I’m sure that he could talk about this like a man for example with Michael Winn.
HOWDY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEqZCt8YIj0 (Good Old Chlorophil)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=287qd4uI7-E&feature=fvsr (overunity)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neBIzWZDaP4 (Les Boys)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF6t7VphugY (MKD, all harakiri)
The people that Dr. Phil usually brings on,
are people that are screwed up in some way
and need counseling/therapy. The more screwed up,
the better, as ultimately the goal of the show
is to have an entertaining episode.As to other talk shows, I don’t know.
You’d have to be a charismatic guy to make Healing Tao
interesting to the viewers . . . maybe something
like the Dr. Oz show, where you market qigong
as good way to improve your health, but certainly
not the spiritual aspects of the system.(Sanskrit). ‘Symbolic beingÂ’. In the course of tantricsādhanas, the practitioner generates an image of the focal deity—either as himself or in front—which is understood as a representation of that deity as a model for worship (pūjā) or personal transformation. The image is contrast to the actual presence of the deity, the jñāna-sattva.
-http://www.answers.com/topic/samaya-sattvaThe idea that a man of knowledge has an ally is the most important of the Seven Component Themes, for it is the only one that is indispensable to explaining what a man of knowledge is. In my classificatory scheme a man of knowledge has an ally, whereas the average man does not, and having an ally is what makes him different from ordinary men.
An ally is A POWER capable of transporting a man beyond the boundaries of himself; that is to say, an ally is a power which allows one to transcend the realm of ordinary reality. Consequently, TO HAVE AN ALLY IMPLIES HAVING POWER; and the fact that a man of knowledge has an ally is by itself proof that the operational goal of the teaching is being fulfilled.
-CARLOS CASTANEDA, The Teachings of Don Juan: a Yaqui Way of KnowledgeThe Dweller on the Threshold is a menacing figure that is described by a number of leading esoteric teachers, not only Madame Blavatsky in her monumental “Isis Unveiled” and Rudolf Steiner in his “Knowledge of the Higher Worlds” but also Dion Fortune in her fiction and non-Âfiction. The first in “The Scented Poppies”, one of the stories in “The Secrets of Dr. Taverner” and later in her principal text book “The Mystical Qabalah”.
Although the concept may have been a reality of esoteric initiation from ancient times we owe the term itself, with certain minor variants, to the 19th century novelist Edward Bulwer‑Lytton and his famous occult novel “Zanoni” of 1842.
-http://www.innerlight.org.uk/journals/Vol22No4/dweller.htmYes it’s clearly better to avoid Dr. Phil, because he might be even worse than for example James Randi for this purpose.
Anyway different traditions have different ways to conceptualize that same thing.
HOWDY
Tengu (天狗?, “heavenly dogs”) are a class of supernatural creatures found in Japanese folklore, art, theater, and literature. They are one of the best known yōkai (monster-spirits) and are sometimes worshipped as Shinto kami (revered spirits or gods). Although they take their name from a dog-like Chinese demon (Tiangou), the tengu were originally thought to take the forms of birds of prey, and they are traditionally depicted with both human and avian characteristics. The earliest tengu were pictured with beaks, but this feature has often been humanized as an unnaturally long nose, which today is widely considered the tengu’s defining characteristic in the popular imagination.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TenguPart of Tendai Buddhism’s teaching is that enlightenment can be attained in the current life. It is through the process of self denial that this can be achieved, and the kaihōgyō is seen as the ultimate expression of this desire.
There are many serving priests at the temple on Mt. Hiei, but very few of them have completed the kaihōgyō. Many who have completed it come from outside of the Order.
The selection process for the kaihōgyō is after the first 100 days of running, the gyōja (trainee monk) will petition the senior monks to complete the remaining 900 days. In the first 100 days, withdrawal from the challenge is possible, but from day 101 onwards the monk is no longer allowed to withdraw; he must either complete the course or take his own life. The mountain has many unmarked graves from those who have failed in their quest, although none date from either the 20th or 21st century.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaih%C5%8Dgy%C5%8DIf you don’t even know if one exists, how can
you comment on how dangerous it may or may not be?
And, I contend, as in the first paragraph, you
don’t even really know if you are actually mortal to
begin with.
-http://forum.healingdao.com/general/message/22961/Equations have subtle influence on the fabric of our language and our thought far beyond science. Cloaking thoughts in mathematical dress seems to make them more authorative, certain, precise, and eternal. Jokes, maxims, political bumper stickers, and uplifting self-help slogans are often revamped as equations: ‘Knowledge=Power’, ‘War=Killing People’, ‘Preparation+Patience=Success.’
-ROBERT P. CREASE, A Brief Guide to the Great EquationsSorry for my broken English.
Here I somehow experience that Steven clearly went under his level, but it can’t be too fatal.
immortal=jñāna-sattva=ally=dweller on the threshold…I think one should now consider if here somebody doesn’t understand.
…you don’t even really know if you are actually mortal to begin with…
What about the wicked one’s? Is life eternal preserved also for them? Is it part of Healing Tao wisdom how to get annihilated?
I don’t believe that there exists effortless alchemy.
HOWDY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92cwKCU8Z5c (abba)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdHHCOo-Qyw (sheriff)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ebR37K8hDg (dogattack)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPAZQ6mhRcU (samuraispirit)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsfwqHT2ca4 (winner)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06oMxdt40A (kaihōgyō)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAwWPadFsOA (mortalkombat)
Just because a lot of people believe something,
doesn’t mean that it is true.>>>What about the wicked one’s?
>>>Is life eternal preserved also for them?
>>>Is it part of Healing Tao wisdom how to get annihilated?Who is wicked, and who is not wicked?
Who makes such judgments?And if such a judgment is to be made, why should
the universe act as filter of good vs. bad? The universe
created everything after all, “good” and “bad”.I see no logical reason as to why someone couldn’t be
both an immortal and an asshole.>>>I don’t believe that there exists effortless alchemy.
This is your *belief*.
It doesn’t mean that it is true.Unless you have actually died and come back from the dead
with the mysteries of the universe, you don’t really
know a damn thing! All you think you know are
opinions formed from stories you hear, which may or may not
be true.If you actually examine that which you *truly* know,
you will come to realize that in reality you don’t know much!Becoming convinced through stories and hope, is not the
same thing as truth, and it never has been.S
Isn’t a mummified body physically immortal? Physical immortality doesn’t mean that you have to stay alive forever as we know it, but your body could survive decay and be immortal.
I also wonder too…
In chinese tradition it’s good to bury family bones in a good location, on a hill is supposedly good. You can feel the energy in your bones when you practice qigong, perhaps when you die, your body becomes a source of yin for your spirit so that you can exist more powerfully. Perhaps if you mummified your body you would have a link to this earth on the physical plane.
Perhaps 🙂
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