April 3, 2005 at 5:46 pm #3958
How much of ‘Enlightenment’ would you say is physical/energetic and how much Psychological?
On one side there is say, Glenn Morris who has stated he sees Enlightenment in strictly bio-chemical terms. Literally you have the juice, get it circulating smoothly and balanced, wha la enlightenment.
On the other side are characters like Eckhardt Tolle, clearly (to me) enlightened but through wholly psychological means. He preaches staying in the moment; being w/in the body and the now.
I realize there is a vast intersection between the two. I’ve seen people w/ ‘Juice’ who were pretty imbalanced. Yet people like Tolle also seem ‘fragile’.
MichaelApril 3, 2005 at 6:35 pm #3959
imo, it’s a mix, but psychological/belief system/habitual thoughts is definitely the master. My conception of qigong training follows the Buddhist compassion/prajna understanding. Meditation practices temporarily bump up one’s energy level which gives a temporary platform to have superior insight into life which then affords long term energetic relaxation and flow thus taking the temporary improvement and making it more durable.
Repeat as desired.
This cycle is more commonly seen in its reversed expression where kids start at energetic and psychological perfection and get educated out of it.
I have decided to homeschool and not teach them jack. They’ll learn what they want when they want, if they want.
YodaApril 3, 2005 at 10:00 pm #3961
i dont see much difference. you need one to get the other. even unbalanced people or very “evil” people have to undergo psychological development to further their ends, even if it is just training the will.April 3, 2005 at 10:07 pm #3963
I couldn’t begin to answer that. But I do believe that the one GREAT TEACHING of eastern practices is that the physical IS the spiritual. And vis a versa.
This concept is pretty much lost in the three great western religious traditions, as well as most of the west’s other great philisophical traditions.April 4, 2005 at 8:14 am #3965
This is not lost in western alchemy…
A key tenet of alchemy is that the process is not just to ascend, but also to descend, and so on, to refine the coarse with the subtle, in an endless cycle/process of “distilation” and formation of a stable higher awareness state (philosopher’s stone), which state is meant to have and is measured by, transformative power–i.e., it ought to be effective in the world of hard knocks, ought to be truly magical.April 4, 2005 at 9:40 pm #3967
Maybe a monroe institute type brainwave/meditation CD. Mind Food from Hemisynch is a good one.
They are very relaxing and uplifting, good for pain management and general peacefulness without any new philosophies to digest.
-YodaApril 5, 2005 at 8:35 am #3969
I think there really is no answer to that one.
Basically, if you have an experience that could be called “enlightenment”, trying to answer that question would probably be just as difficult as if you suddenly were transported above the clouds, and could see what reality was like from up there, and then was forced to decide if it was your mind or body that had the experience.
Not that I know.
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