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Hello Steven
I comment this from a personal and not philosophical perspective. Pehapaps not 🙂
It is a bit unwise from you to say that you think that the Buddist got it wrong. Perhps theire path is well investigated! Just a different road.Personal: I am not a Buddist and I am not trying to achive emptiness! I just feel a relative emptiness nowdays compared to what I was before. What I realised was not that emptiness was better than the intelectualism. What I realised was that it was not less good! The former state of being was ok and and the new one is also ok 🙂
That was what was important for me to realise in the moment!I undeline otherwise what you wrote about and see it as just an explanation of my personal wiew to.
S D
My point is that there are tons of people out there
that CLAIM to be spiritually advanced people offering
themselves as teachers. It is important to be able
to separate these people from the genuine articles.While it is true that the path to spiritual development
must be done by the individual, being in the
presence of someone at a higher spiritual level can help
raise you up and guide you closer to God consciousness.When I make reference to “spiritual weakness”, I’m
making reference to traits observable in prospective
teachers that help demonstrate that they are not as
close to God consciousness as they may advertise. These
types can inhibit progress, or at the very least, impose
incorrect thinking/perspective into your core which then
takes time and work to undo.I’m sure that there are plenty of people on this list
that know exactly what I’m talking about. Consider it
a warning. If you want to ignore me or ridicule me,
come back and talk to me again years from now after you’ve
gotten misled by somebody 😛S
Not all progressive structured systems are pyramid schemes.
A pyramid scheme is a scheme whereby new members are
brought in for the purpose of being exploited by the
people higher up for *their* gain, and then trained to
repeat the process on new people they can recruit.We are not about exploiting others;
we are about self-empowerment.I don’t know, c_howdy, too many more posts like this,
and I’m going to start thinking you are a forum troll and
just ignore you.S
>>>It is a bit unwise from you to say that you
>>>think that the Buddist got it wrong. Perhps
>>>theire path is well investigated! Just a different road.The purpose of life is not to try to escape from it, or
try to negate it. That’s a mistake. Moreover, nature
abhors a vacuum, and even a vacuum is not completely empty.
I don’t think the fault lies with the teachings of the Buddha;
I think the fault lies with certain FOLLOWERS who have twisted
his words to justify their own fear-based attempts to escape life.
And actually, the advanced practitioners in that religion actually
understand this also . . . and I’ve taken some training from such
people on that path as well.I may not be enlightened, but I have developed enough along the
way to see some of the truth, and the above I KNOW to be true.But you are entitled to disagree; it bothers me none.
S
I find that the true pyramid schemes are most of the corporations that people pander to to try and make a living. Bankers making million dollar bonuses, now that’s a pyramid scheme. A good MLM is actually a really wonderful way to do business. I learned this from Michael Winn. It places the intimacy and community back in business. The term pyramid scheme for MLM’s or fractal marketing companies is just cultural programming in my opinion. MLMs are out of the norm for most cultures, and is aligned to personal empowerment vs self suppression to appease corporations that will drop you at a moments notice. Of course this is the big thing America is dealing with right now. All the mommy and daddies keep failing us no matter how much we suppress and play along.
In my opinion there is no perfect mommy or daddy out there. It is about personally taking responsibility for what you want to get out of a teacher. Every one is working on being more accepting in my opinion.
It’s not about looking for a mommy or daddy;
ultimately, you have to be your OWN mommy and daddy, but . . .Do you want to waste time taking instruction
from someone who really doesn’t have much insight?Or someone that has some glaring negative traits that you
don’t want to embody?Example:
I met (I’ll keep the person anonymous) a self-proclaimed “Swami”
who claimed he’s really advanced and got certain spiritual
credentials under his belt. Yet this same person is prone
to violent outbursts and fits of anger and rage to people around
him, rather than compassion. Is this a person I think that has
something to offer me? No. My feeling is that if they actually
had valuable lessons, that those lessons would have helped the
person themselves to progress so that they wouldn’t behave
like they do.There are plenty of other people out there, and a good number
of them are genuine, so why waste your time with someone who
is not?Yes, no one is perfect, but if some “teacher” has issues that
you yourself have already overcome, then maybe that’s not the
right person for you at that stage.That’s my point.
S
To add on to what I said earlier:
You can be an intellectual and you can develop other tools as well.
It doesn’t have to be an either/or. You can have both.That was really my point here.
I know you are an intellectual and an academic type and that you really
enjoy that part of your life. Moreover, you are really good at it.
You don’t have to give that part of you up.
It’s just about gaining other tools and not
letting the intellectual side “define you”.But I think you probably already understand that.
But I just felt I wanted to mention it, anyway.
For what it’s worth.Warm wishes,
Steven>>>I find that the true pyramid schemes are most
>>>of the corporations that people pander to to try
>>>and make a living. Bankers making million dollar bonuses,
>>>now that’s a pyramid scheme.Yeah, that’s true in a lot of ways.
I have to agree completely here this.As far as MLM’s for the purpose of making money/making a living:
The problem with them is that after they get going, the
phenomenon of greed can manifest itself, and then people
start becoming exploitative. Then it becomes just another beast
in the system. I suppose what really matters is what the
underlying philosophy of the system is about. If the system
is just a means to an end to build money or power, it is
bound to become corrupt; while other constitutional structures
may work . . .S
MLMs have built in intimacy that give instant feed back if you are all just about greed. It’s about designing systems/environments that promote intimacy, accountability, and empowerment. So greed does not survive long. Nothing is of course perfect. Allot of MLMs sell crap, but so do most companies. I would say Whole foods is no better then Walmart. Ceos make all the money while people doing the most work get payed no where near a real living wage. Most companies solely survive off of government welfare. Sorry to ramble the normal corporation model is a pet peav. Go to the farmers market, order online, support your local artisans, and look at some good MLMs. Ok my liver got that off its chest. 🙂
No, I hear you.
Also, forum is a good tool for applying the creation cycle
and dumping frustration/liver into passion/heart, especially
since it is springtime/liver time 😉S
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